momof2n2
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Another Adventure–background
THE HISTORY
Once upon a time we visited Walt Disney World (WDW) frequently. Our last trip to WDW was in 2011, and although we’d had many other lovely trips there, that particular trip was far-and-away the finest one. Just about everything was perfect and we left extremely gratified with our vacation.
We intended to visit WDW in 2014, as part of a trip which also included 4 night on Disney Cruise Line’s ship, the Magic. About a year before we planned to go, however, I started learning more about the changes coming to the much loved Fast Pass (FP) system previously available at WDW. As frequent visitors, we had long ago learned how to make that system best work for us. We were able to enjoy many rides and attractions without waiting, and we were able to secure re-rides on our favorite ones. The new system, Fast Pass Plus (FP+) was slated to replace FP by the time our trip rolled around. Guests would be expected to book three rides PRIOR to their trip through the My Disney Experience (MDE) website or app. At best this was called a ride reservation system, but many of us regarded it as a ride RATIONING system. Disney vacations are expensive and with lots of new rules and even more unknowns, John and I were just NOT comfortable throwing our vacation dollars toward WDW.
We shifted gears and instead used our vacation budget to purchase two-week passes to the SeaWorld family of parks. This was a GREAT experience for us. We spent two days at Busch Gardens, two days at SeaWorld, and one day at Aquatica. We also spent a day at Kennedy Space Center. We had a fabulous vacation and never regretted not visiting WDW. Oh – and we saved quite a bit of money, as well.
THE PLAN
In March 2015 we booked a seven-night cruise on Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) out of Miami, FL for May, 2016. Although we’d have a phenomenal time on DCL in 2014, the long and short of it is DCL is extremely costly. For connecting verandah cabins on NCL for the eight of us, we paid just less than $5,500. For the same week on the DCL Fantasy for similar ports of call, we were quoted $11,000 for connecting inside cabins. It was an incredible deal NCL was offering and we happily reserved our next adventure on the high seas.
Well, when you consider the route from NY to Miami, you can’t help but notice that you drive right by Kissimmee, Florida. And that little voice in my head said, “Well, look at that! We’re going to go right by Disney World. Why don’t we spend some time there?”
One thing led to another and we booked the same delightful rental house we’d used in 2014 for the week leading up to our NCL cruise. As the months went by and we began to dig deeper into WDW planning we learned a LOT more about changes at Disney World. I am a dedicated user of Disney-based message boards and blogs. Reading about the experiences visitors were having (even happy visitors) painted a picture of a much different place than we’d visited in the past. I won’t let this post get any longer than it has to be by miserably recounting all the reported changes in service and increases in prices. The question came up, however: Will we be satisfied with the return on our investment (ROI) that Disney World is currently offering?
We came to understand that in order to make any upcoming trip to WDW work we would have to lower our expectations. Could we do that?
THE COMMITMENT
We almost pulled the plug in June 2015. Nan and Kelly very much wanted to go to WDW; even more than they wanted to cruise. John and I decidedly preferred the cruise; however, I admit I did want to get my girls in to meet princesses again. But those dollar signs were daunting and the news out of the parks was discouraging.
School started, life moved on, and I just kept gathering information for both WDW and the cruise. I had to do a few crazy things to increase our chances of having a good time.
•We booked a campsite on WDW property that we have no intentions of staying at in order to secure our ride reservations 60 days before our vacation, as opposed to the 30 days offered off-site guests.
•I reserved pre-park opening dining at some of the parks 180 days before our vacation in order to put us in a better position deeper in the parks for when it opened (so that we have a better chance on getting on the most popular rides).
•We borrowed extra bands from friends to grab SDFP+.
Just before Christmas we went ahead and ordered our WDW tickets. Ouch. I didn’t link them in the MDE system just in case we decided to bail. And – we almost did bail at the end of January. Between the estimated costs of the meals, the costs of cruise excursions, and the cost of that unneeded campsite, I was starting to lose sleep over it. I itemized our expected expenses, and shared it with John; it was insane. We prayed about it and let it sit for a while. A few days later we decided to go ahead with it, but from that point on we told ourselves we had to completely buy into the package and proceed without doubting or looking back. While the news on message boards and blogs has steadily gotten worse (money grabs, cuts in service, etc.) we have continued to focus on the projected positives of two weeks of family vacationing, and our estimation that we will at least have a “very good time” if not an “excellent time.”
THE ITINERARY
5/6 - 5/7 Drive to Florida
5/8 Animal Kingdom
5/9 Hollywood Studios
5/10 Epcot
5/11 Gatorland (and Fort Wilderness?)
5/12 Magic Kingdom
5/13 Magic Kingdom
5/14 Laundry and rest day
Potential inclusion -
(Drive to Miami and embark on NCL Getaway
Day at Sea
Roatan, Honduras
Belize City, Belize
Costa Maya, Mexico
Cozumel, Mexico
Day at Sea
Disembark drive
Drive and return home)
THE HISTORY
Once upon a time we visited Walt Disney World (WDW) frequently. Our last trip to WDW was in 2011, and although we’d had many other lovely trips there, that particular trip was far-and-away the finest one. Just about everything was perfect and we left extremely gratified with our vacation.
We intended to visit WDW in 2014, as part of a trip which also included 4 night on Disney Cruise Line’s ship, the Magic. About a year before we planned to go, however, I started learning more about the changes coming to the much loved Fast Pass (FP) system previously available at WDW. As frequent visitors, we had long ago learned how to make that system best work for us. We were able to enjoy many rides and attractions without waiting, and we were able to secure re-rides on our favorite ones. The new system, Fast Pass Plus (FP+) was slated to replace FP by the time our trip rolled around. Guests would be expected to book three rides PRIOR to their trip through the My Disney Experience (MDE) website or app. At best this was called a ride reservation system, but many of us regarded it as a ride RATIONING system. Disney vacations are expensive and with lots of new rules and even more unknowns, John and I were just NOT comfortable throwing our vacation dollars toward WDW.
We shifted gears and instead used our vacation budget to purchase two-week passes to the SeaWorld family of parks. This was a GREAT experience for us. We spent two days at Busch Gardens, two days at SeaWorld, and one day at Aquatica. We also spent a day at Kennedy Space Center. We had a fabulous vacation and never regretted not visiting WDW. Oh – and we saved quite a bit of money, as well.
THE PLAN
In March 2015 we booked a seven-night cruise on Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) out of Miami, FL for May, 2016. Although we’d have a phenomenal time on DCL in 2014, the long and short of it is DCL is extremely costly. For connecting verandah cabins on NCL for the eight of us, we paid just less than $5,500. For the same week on the DCL Fantasy for similar ports of call, we were quoted $11,000 for connecting inside cabins. It was an incredible deal NCL was offering and we happily reserved our next adventure on the high seas.
Well, when you consider the route from NY to Miami, you can’t help but notice that you drive right by Kissimmee, Florida. And that little voice in my head said, “Well, look at that! We’re going to go right by Disney World. Why don’t we spend some time there?”
One thing led to another and we booked the same delightful rental house we’d used in 2014 for the week leading up to our NCL cruise. As the months went by and we began to dig deeper into WDW planning we learned a LOT more about changes at Disney World. I am a dedicated user of Disney-based message boards and blogs. Reading about the experiences visitors were having (even happy visitors) painted a picture of a much different place than we’d visited in the past. I won’t let this post get any longer than it has to be by miserably recounting all the reported changes in service and increases in prices. The question came up, however: Will we be satisfied with the return on our investment (ROI) that Disney World is currently offering?
We came to understand that in order to make any upcoming trip to WDW work we would have to lower our expectations. Could we do that?
THE COMMITMENT
We almost pulled the plug in June 2015. Nan and Kelly very much wanted to go to WDW; even more than they wanted to cruise. John and I decidedly preferred the cruise; however, I admit I did want to get my girls in to meet princesses again. But those dollar signs were daunting and the news out of the parks was discouraging.
School started, life moved on, and I just kept gathering information for both WDW and the cruise. I had to do a few crazy things to increase our chances of having a good time.
•We booked a campsite on WDW property that we have no intentions of staying at in order to secure our ride reservations 60 days before our vacation, as opposed to the 30 days offered off-site guests.
•I reserved pre-park opening dining at some of the parks 180 days before our vacation in order to put us in a better position deeper in the parks for when it opened (so that we have a better chance on getting on the most popular rides).
•We borrowed extra bands from friends to grab SDFP+.
Just before Christmas we went ahead and ordered our WDW tickets. Ouch. I didn’t link them in the MDE system just in case we decided to bail. And – we almost did bail at the end of January. Between the estimated costs of the meals, the costs of cruise excursions, and the cost of that unneeded campsite, I was starting to lose sleep over it. I itemized our expected expenses, and shared it with John; it was insane. We prayed about it and let it sit for a while. A few days later we decided to go ahead with it, but from that point on we told ourselves we had to completely buy into the package and proceed without doubting or looking back. While the news on message boards and blogs has steadily gotten worse (money grabs, cuts in service, etc.) we have continued to focus on the projected positives of two weeks of family vacationing, and our estimation that we will at least have a “very good time” if not an “excellent time.”
THE ITINERARY
5/6 - 5/7 Drive to Florida
5/8 Animal Kingdom
5/9 Hollywood Studios
5/10 Epcot
5/11 Gatorland (and Fort Wilderness?)
5/12 Magic Kingdom
5/13 Magic Kingdom
5/14 Laundry and rest day
Potential inclusion -
(Drive to Miami and embark on NCL Getaway
Day at Sea
Roatan, Honduras
Belize City, Belize
Costa Maya, Mexico
Cozumel, Mexico
Day at Sea
Disembark drive
Drive and return home)