Parkhopper Pass Share October 1-11

[CrazyDuck]

Ok so here's the plan... I'll buy an 8 day parkhopper. I'll use it for 2 days on October 1 and 2. Then I'll meet the next person on Oct 3 and give him the pass and he can use it on Oct 4 and 5. Then give it to the next person on Oct 6 and that person can use it on Oct 7 and 8 and then give it to the next person on Oct 9 will use the last 2 days on Oct 10 and 11. An 8 day park hopper is $204 on getawaytoday.com so we each chip in $51. Not bad eh? $51 for a 2 day parkhopper which would regularly cost $132.

So here is the schedule for Oct 1-11
Oct 1,2 CrazyDuck to use pass
Oct 3 give pass to (Person 2)
Oct 4,5 (Person 2) to use pass
Oct 6 give pass to (Person 3)
Oct 7,8 (Person 3) to use pass
Oct 9 give pass to (Person 4)
Oct 10,11 (Person 4) to use pass

OK so who is in?

 

[CrazyDuck]

BTW I'm not serious... I just wanted to point out that this is no different than a "Photopass Share". Stealing from Disney is only going to cost the rest of us more money in the long run!

 

[disneyobsessed808]

Actually, it is quite different from a photopass share. Park tickets are expressly non-transferable, even though they wouldn't be able to tell anyway. In the same way, two people can not use the same ticket on the same day.

With photopass, groups are able to use one photopass account. So even if there are three people in the parks on the same day taking pictures with photographers, they can all sign up with the same account online. As far as I can see, there is not policy against sharing the photopass accounts and cds (especially since the users are given the rights to the pictures)

It's "stealing" in the same way that a person is stealing if they split a plate of food while eating at the Blue Bayou - more food than needed by one person. The photopass CD is the same - more space than needed for just one group.

 

[CrazyDuck]

Do you think Disney's intentions for Photopass CD's was for it to be sold with multiple unrelated persons/groups on it? Have you read over the Photopass TOC's? How would your translate this paragraph?

Copyright Policy, Restrictions on use of Materials

All photographs taken by Disney's PhotoPass Photographers are owned and copyright protected by Disney. Please be aware that it is illegal to reproduce or distribute copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright owner. Purchased prints and other products may not be reproduced without permission from Disney. Accessing pictures or text provided on Web sites does not give you any rights to use them. Only the copyright owner, or the owner's legal agent, can grant permission to copy, distribute, or publicly display protected material.

 

[JaneJetson]

I agree with Crazyduck on this one.

The photopass sharing threads drive me crazy.

 

[CalvaryMike]

I too agree with CrazyDuck. I never understood the "okay" to share photopass thing.

 

[disneyobsessed808]

Regardless of whether or not they are intended to share by strangers who meet on the internet, the Photopass does not prohibit sharing of an account or CD. In fact, sharing is encouraged on the Photopass website, at least for groups of people who know each other.

Also, the copyright says the users don't have rights to the pictures accessed on the website (not applying to pictures on a Photopass CD); however, once the user buys the Photopass CD, they are granted the rights to the pictures as the copyright owner.

 

[CrAzY4DL]

...people find the weirdest things to complain about online...

 

[mo3bys]

This is what they send us when we purchase the cd...................
Photo share groups don't use them in a commercial manner.....No one is making a profit from them.....When my family goes this October we are going to have one account for our whole family. One of the Photopass people last time even told us to make sure everyone in our group was using the photopass system so we could order 1 cd......I think it is totally different from ticket sharing too....Just my opinion......I don't want to make anyone mad.......I respect your opinions too


RIGHTS AND RESTRICTIONS CONCERNING USE: Buyer agrees that he/she shall not resell, or otherwise use in any commercial manner (i.e., use, duplicate, display in any form or fashion, whether now known or hereafter developed, for the purpose of receiving or facilitating the receipt of financial remuneration or any other consideration), the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, or photographic prints created from the digital images contained on the CD ("Photographs"). Buyer and Seller agree that Buyer shall have the right to create duplicates of the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, and the Photographs for personal use and to give as gifts, so long as such duplicates are not used in a commercial manner as described herein. Other than to create duplicates of the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, and the Photographs, Buyer shall receive no right to use, and shall receive no rights or ownership interest of any type in or with respect to any intellectual property rights owned by Seller and its affiliates, or by any third party, that are displayed in or as part of any digital image file or Photograph. All intellectual property rights (including, without limitation, copyright and trademark rights) in and to properties depicted in any Photograph shall remain the property of their respective owners.

 

[bumbershoot]

Buyer shall have the right to create duplicates of the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, and the Photographs for personal use and to give as gifts, so long as such duplicates are not used in a commercial manner as described herein.

Ayep.

And the Dis doesn't agree that Disney disagrees with them, so this thread will very likely be locked as they always are.

In fact I even dealt with a problem, where I re-used a card on my own account that had been used in a share, and they happily helped me copy the pix associated with that card onto a second account (mine). They were WELL aware that I had taken part in a share, and didn't care a little bitty bit. Nor did they punish me by not allowing me to access the pictures from the second trip.

And, I'll add, my pix from the September trip were still on my December trip stuff, so I actually got double, but one should NEVER expect that to happen, it was a crazy fluke!

But still, the copyright that is given clearly says that unless you're selling the pix, it's all good.

 

[CrazyDuck]

RIGHTS AND RESTRICTIONS CONCERNING USE: Buyer agrees that he/she shall not resell, or otherwise use in any commercial manner (i.e., use, duplicate, display in any form or fashion, whether now known or hereafter developed, for the purpose of receiving or facilitating the receipt of financial remuneration or any other consideration), the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, or photographic prints created from the digital images contained on the CD ("Photographs"). Buyer and Seller agree that Buyer shall have the right to create duplicates of the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, and the Photographs for personal use and to give as gifts, so long as such duplicates are not used in a commercial manner as described herein. Other than to create duplicates of the CD, the digital image files contained on the CD, and the Photographs, Buyer shall receive no right to use, and shall receive no rights or ownership interest of any type in or with respect to any intellectual property rights owned by Seller and its affiliates, or by any third party, that are displayed in or as part of any digital image file or Photograph. All intellectual property rights (including, without limitation, copyright and trademark rights) in and to properties depicted in any Photograph shall remain the property of their respective owners.

In other words 1 person can buy it and make copies but if someone gives you money for their copy them you are in violation of the terms of the contract. If one person wants to play Robin Hood and foot the bill for EVERYBODY in the share then that is ok but as soon as someone pays you their share or for shipping fees or for the media or for your time then you are ALL breaking the rules!!!!!! For the DIS to condone this activity makes them just as GUILTY!!! But maybe that's just my opinion!!!

 

[CrAzY4DL]

In other words 1 person can buy it and make copies but if someone gives you money for their copy them you are in violation of the terms of the contract. If one person wants to play Robin Hood and foot the bill for EVERYBODY in the share then that is ok but as soon as someone pays you their share or for shipping fees or for the media or for your time then you are ALL breaking the rules!!!!!! For the DIS to condone this activity makes them just as GUILTY!!! But maybe that's just my opinion!!!

...you can get glad in the same shoes you got mad in...


i just don't understand why this offends you so much. seriously. don't get it. does it affect you or someone you know? or are you just tired of seeing posts asking for photopass sharing? is there a reason to the quacking or is this how you spend your time? just curious, not meaning to be a hater...

 

[Gisele]

If photo sharing c.d.s were going against Disney policy, I highly doubt that this website would then condone, the photo pass sharing c.d.threads.
I fail to see the problem here, other than some people finding the photo pass, to be a problem with their logic, or perhaps, lack there of? you be the judge, for only each person in the end, can decide what is right and what is not for their own actions.
I personally do not see anything wrong with sharing this c.d. pass.
I find the hotel workers going on strike, to be of far more importance, than complaining about sharing a photo pass.
If Disney corporation had a problem with it, then we would find out about it. Furthermore, the only reason why I have not taken part yet, in this sharing, is because I need to buy a camera.

 

[bumbershoot]

In other words 1 person can buy it and make copies but if someone gives you money for their copy them you are in violation of the terms of the contract.

No. If the person leading the share made a profit, then it *could* be in violation.

Picture an extended family. Rather than the CD being a gift, a big family goes in on the CD. Since the site doesn't take 15 payments, one person has to pay. The other 14 parts of the extended family pays the person who pays PP their share.

Sounds really easy, yes? Obvious. Simple.

Now picture brand new friends going in on a share. One person pays b/c pp site still doesn't take umpteen payments for one CD, and obviously the others have to pay the one back.

That's NOT buying pictures. That's going in on something with friends, whether they are long time friends or brand new ones.


I do have to say that while I started pp with a share, I found the value of it quickly, and now i don't go in on shares, just b/c I like having control of things. Same reason I don't book through TAs, control. But if it hadn't been for a share, I woudl never have found pp, so they are NOW making money off of me, thanks to a share. And even though I like to think I'm a brilliant, unique, one of a kind person, time and time again I have found that many others feel and do as I have felt and done, so I don't think I'm alone in how I found photopass.

 

[Gisele]

Once again, bumbershoot, very well stated!

 

[CrazyDuck]

No. If the person leading the share made a profit, then it *could* be in violation.

Picture an extended family. Rather than the CD being a gift, a big family goes in on the CD. Since the site doesn't take 15 payments, one person has to pay. The other 14 parts of the extended family pays the person who pays PP their share.

Sounds really easy, yes? Obvious. Simple.

Now picture brand new friends going in on a share. One person pays b/c pp site still doesn't take umpteen payments for one CD, and obviously the others have to pay the one back.

(i.e., use, duplicate, display in any form or fashion, whether now known or hereafter developed, for the purpose of receiving or facilitating the receipt of financial remuneration or any other consideration)

It doesn't matter if it is a family member, your best friend or a complete stranger. If they give you money, or even a soda, in exchange for a copy of the photopass cd then you are in violation of the TOC. Yea, Disney probably won't sue you for the $10 that someone gave you for their share of the photopass share, but it is still in violation of the TOC none the less, not to mention unethical!

Why does it bother me??? If everyone that used a photopass share actually paid the full $59 for the cd, maybe we wouldn't have to pay $59. Maybe I would have been able to buy it for $49 when I go in October. If people were not selling 1 day of an 8 day parkhopper on ebay for $60, maybe Disney wouldn't have to raise ticket prices to compensate for their losses?

 

[CrAzY4DL]

It doesn't matter if it is a family member, your best friend or a complete stranger. If they give you money, or even a soda, in exchange for a copy of the photopass cd then you are in violation of the TOC. Yea, Disney probably won't sue you for the $10 that someone gave you for their share of the photopass share, but it is still in violation of the TOC none the less, not to mention unethical!

Why does it bother me??? If everyone that used a photopass share actually paid the full $59 for the cd, maybe we wouldn't have to pay $59. Maybe I would have been able to buy it for $49 when I go in October. If people were not selling 1 day of an 8 day parkhopper on ebay for $60, maybe Disney wouldn't have to raise ticket prices to compensate for their losses?

yeah, MAYBE you wouldn't have to pay $59. but then again, i don't recall that they came out at a lower price, realized that they were losing out somehow and then raised the price to compensate. you don't HAVE to buy the photopass. you don't HAVE to pay the crazy-high prices to go to disneyland. you don't HAVE to come to a pro-disney message board and get all judgmental on people doing things differently than you. and who is to say what is unethical? not everyone adheres to the same ethics. everyone has their own level of what they are comfortable with. we have found your level. move on already.

 

[mo3bys]

Since this part was quoted I thought I would post this.......

RIGHTS AND RESTRICTIONS CONCERNING USE: Buyer agrees that he/she shall not resell, or otherwise use in any commercial manner (i.e., use, duplicate, display in any form or fashion, whether now known or hereafter developed, for the purpose of receiving or facilitating the receipt of financial remuneration or any other consideration),

This is the description of remuneration
Remuneration
Payment or compensation received for services or employment. This includes the base salary and any bonuses or other economic benefits that an employee or executive receives during employment. There is NO payment received for our services.......when we all pitch in together we are just sharing the cost...The cd's aren't used in a commercial manner

Notes:
This term often refers to the total compensation received by an executive, which includes not only the base salary but options, bonuses, expense accounts and other forms of compensation.


Anyway...my opinions.....And everyone is sticking to theirs..... so I think we should all just end this thread and stay the Happy DIS family we are Everyone will have their own opinions and we can keep going back and forth for ever and everyone will still believe what they do......we are all stuborn like that

 

[Sherry E]

Since this part was quoted I thought I would post this.......

RIGHTS AND RESTRICTIONS CONCERNING USE: Buyer agrees that he/she shall not resell, or otherwise use in any commercial manner (i.e., use, duplicate, display in any form or fashion, whether now known or hereafter developed, for the purpose of receiving or facilitating the receipt of financial remuneration or any other consideration),

This is the description of remuneration
Remuneration
Payment or compensation received for services or employment. This includes the base salary and any bonuses or other economic benefits that an employee or executive receives during employment. There is NO payment received for our services.......when we all pitch in together we are just sharing the cost...The cd's aren't used in a commercial manner

Notes:
This term often refers to the total compensation received by an executive, which includes not only the base salary but options, bonuses, expense accounts and other forms of compensation.


Anyway...my opinions.....And everyone is sticking to theirs..... so I think we should all just end this thread and stay the Happy DIS family we are Everyone will have their own opinions and we can keep going back and forth for ever and everyone will still believe what they do......we are all stuborn like that

Wow! I never knew that Photopass sharing was such a hot topic! I don't have a fully formed opinion yet either way, as I am getting a Photopass for the first time in October, so I will see how I like the whole system. I have certainly learned a lot about it on DISboards! I kind of think I know which way I am leaning on this subject, but don't want to stoke the fires so will leave it alone if the goal is to end the thread! I have already been involved in the 'Birthday Button' and 'Fast Pass' ethical debates on other threads and I am all tuckered out!!!

 

[prettyprincessbelle]

I had issues with my PP share in May. I needed to get my pictures transfered from the groups account to my own and it was VERY obvious to the PP CM that I was not the same people and/or related to the other people on the account (half the pictures were at DLR the other half at WDW). They had no problem with it and didn't even mention it. And I'm sure it wasn't because the CM was dumb.

You're paying for the rights of the CD/pictures. I see it very different than sharing a PH. PHs clearly state they are non transferable and it is against Disney rules to share. Also, the Dis does not support sharing a PH and if they felt that sharing a PP was against Disney rules they wouldn't support PP shares.