Palo brunch ID hassle on Dream

jane01jp

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My family just got off of Dream 4 day. It was a great cruise, but we did have an odd incident at Palo.

We went for the brunch. It was me, my wife, our 21 year old son, his 21 year old girlfriend, and our 19 year old daughter.

Each of us over 21 was offered the "complimentary" champagne or mimosa. Then, the waiter asked both my son and his girlfriend for ID above and beyond their room keys. The girlfriend did not have her ID with her at Palo, and we didn't want to have to go back to the room to get it. Neither she, not my son, had been asked to produce age verification at any other time, or at any other place on the cruise.

The room keys have a picture on file, so the request seemed idiotic. I told the waiter that the request was unnecessary and that he could use the room key. He was kind of salty, but begrudgingly took the girlfriend's room key and went to look up her picture.

I called Palo later and mentioned the incident. The woman on the phone said that what I described was very unusual.

Later that night, when we went to the MDR for dinner, we were greeted by the manager of Palo. He was gracious and apologized and treated us to an unsolicited bottle of champagne. However, his explanation of why the ID incident had happened still didn't make any sense. He said something about abundance of caution with people near 21. This rang hollow, as there is no such abundance of caution anywhere else on board.

I suggested to him that the reminder cards that they send to your stateroom should ask you to bring IDs, if they were going to ask to see them.

If Disney is going to start requesting ID in additon to room keys under any circumstances, they should let people know. After all, documents that verify birthdate are absolutely required to even board the ship.
 
I have to agree with you. The room keys are coded based on age and should be good enough. If not, they need to remind young adults to bring their photo IDs. I suppose they will make some adjustments to make it easier for people.
 

Our neighbors daughter looks young for her age. I remember a server in the Pub on the Wonder asking to see her ID, even though her KTTW card said she was of age. She had it, no problem.
 
That's great. But still unnecessary.

The KTTW card has a picture associated with it.

I get the whole "belts and suspenders" thing, but how much convincing does one need. The ID that the bartender requested and received could have easily been faked. The passport (or birth certificate), not so much.
 
BTW, I've been on 17 Disney cruises and am a huge fan. However, I am not an apologist for bad customer service practices - even if it's Disney. Their actions are not beyond reproach, nor sacrosanct. If they were, they would not have customer surveys.
 
It is kind of odd. But verifying with the picture by scanning the card isn't a huge hassle. Just because someone is holding a KTTW card does not necessarily mean it is their KTTW card. It sounds like DCL tried to make up for the inconvenience and hopefully will look into procedures for this kind of thing.
 
I'll be on the other side and say, why wouldn't anyone bring ID if they are going to drink alcohol?

Sure, each of your bands has your pictures and DOB. But does the person who checks you in actually verify all the details from the ID that was given? There are all sorts of mis-steps that can happen when checking in, etc. What if he or she input it incorrectly into the system?
 
When we traveled on The Fantasy in 2014, my now daughter in law was asked for ID on top of her KTTWC to purchase an alcoholic beverage while we were having our first lunch onboard. It only happened that one time in the 7 days. I thought it was strange too that the KTTWC wasn't enough, but I guess they're told to be cautious.
 
I'll be on the other side and say, why wouldn't anyone bring ID if they are going to drink alcohol?

Sure, each of your bands has your pictures and DOB. But does the person who checks you in actually verify all the details from the ID that was given? There are all sorts of mis-steps that can happen when checking in, etc. What if he or she input it incorrectly into the system?

Why would you not bring ID? Because your KTTW card IS your ID aboard the DCL ship. It is also your only way to buy something. So, why would you not bring ID? For the same reason you wouldn't bring cash.

Let's try a thought experiment: if you had a driver's license that said you were over 21, but your KTTW card said you were under 21, do you think they would serve you alcohol?

I say "no." Why? Because the KTTW card is your ID on board. In the same way, if you were to try to buy a drink with currency on board, do you think they would sell it to you? I say "no." Why? Because your KTTW card is how you pay for stuff on board.

Until yesterday, I had never even heard of carrying an ID on board.
 
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I'll be on the other side and say, why wouldn't anyone bring ID if they are going to drink alcohol?
Because you are on a ship where the only way to pay for the drink is with a card that when scanned shows a photo, thus acting as a photo ID. I would wonder why anybody on a cruise ship would assume that after being required to provide photo ID to board and also having a current photo put on file and linked to their KTTW card they would need to carry around their photo ID. (EDIT: Yeah, what Jane said)

As far as missteps and incorrectly entered information, I sure hope that is not the case. Not being able to purchase alcohol would be the least of your concerns. I think reboarding the ship in a foreign port and finding out that someone entered your DOB incorrectly would be a lot more concerning. If you are suggesting that things are being put in to the system incorrectly on a regular enough basis that ID should be checked each time someone buys a drink then this is a huge problem that goes way beyond purchasing alcohol.
 
Because you are on a ship where the only way to pay for the drink is with a card that when scanned shows a photo, thus acting as a photo ID. I would wonder why anybody on a cruise ship would assume that after being required to provide photo ID to board and also having a current photo put on file and linked to their KTTW card they would need to carry around their photo ID. (EDIT: Yeah, what Jane said)

As far as missteps and incorrectly entered information, I sure hope that is not the case. Not being able to purchase alcohol would be the least of your concerns. I think reboarding the ship in a foreign port and finding out that someone entered your DOB incorrectly would be a lot more concerning. If you are suggesting that things are being put in to the system incorrectly on a regular enough basis that ID should be checked each time someone buys a drink then this is a huge problem that goes way beyond purchasing alcohol.

Excellent additional points. I would hate to think my ability to get back into the US might be hampered by sloppy entry processes.

With passports, they are actually scanned by DCL, so any error would have to be on the passport itself. With birth certificates, you have to also have a picture ID to corroborate the information.
 
Neither of the 21 year olds with us had lookalike siblings (my son's sister was aboard, but correctly identified as the only person in our party under 21 by the waiter upon first inttroduction - good thing she shaved her full beard so that she no longer looks like my son).

To think that we would book a cruise and then a Palo brunch for the purpose of sneaking a mimosa to an underage person is absolutely astounding.

It's called judgment, people.
 
Not seeing an issue here. People are asked for ID everywhere alcohol is served/sold. Caution is good. As for claiming that the info is available via the KTTW, what about when siblings look alike but are not the same age? What is stopping the underage person from using the older person's KTTW?

I agree. I just don't think this is an issue. And I'm saying that as I am planning a cruise for next year with a soon-to-be 21 year old. If need be, she will have an ID on the ship. I can't really blame them for being cautious. And I'm not one who finds it hard to criticize Disney for having some serious customer service issues, whether it's DCL or WDW or DL.

ETA - I've read that younger adults may need a photo ID on the ship, so I guess this didn't come as a surprise to me. I am sorry if it made you uncomfortable though.
 
As for claiming that the info is available via the KTTW, what about when siblings look alike but are not the same age? What is stopping the underage person from using the older person's KTTW?
What is stopping the underage person from using the older person's photo ID? I don't understand how using one form of ID over another will prevent this from happening.
 
Neither of the 21 year olds with us had lookalike siblings (my son's sister was aboard, but correctly identified as the only person in our party under 21 by the waiter upon first inttroduction - good thing she shaved her full beard so that she no longer looks like my son).

They scanned the KTTW card so they could view a picture to verify that it was the correct person holding the card. Anyone can walk around with anyone else's KTTW card. They initially asked for photo id to confirm, which would have been quicker than taking the card and scanning it. It wasn't available so they went the KTTW card route. They can get in serious trouble if they serve a minor so some cast members may be a little more apt to ask for photo ID if there is any question.

It's called judgment, people.

And in order to protect themselves, the cast member exercised theirs to verify the age of someone requesting an alcoholic drink.
 
What is stopping the underage person from using the older person's photo ID? I don't understand how using one form of ID over another will prevent this from happening.
Perhaps DNA testing, :rotfl2:.

Seriously, I've witnessed 80 year olds being ID'd at ballparks.
 

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