Over occupancy question

[MrInfinity]

I thought Disney was pretty firm at enforcing occupancy, aside from one baby/toddler who does not need a ticket being ok over the limit...
But then elsewhere I just found this on the Dis...

DVC will permit one extra guest over the age of three

Is that the case? Can you legitimately book one over, given you won't get towels or sleeping space?
We're talking small kids, so physical space is not the issue, it's strictly whether or not DVC will allow 10 in a 2B that sleeps 9, or 13 in a GV that sleeps 12.

Thank you!

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I thought Disney was pretty firm at enforcing occupancy, aside from one baby/toddler who does not need a ticket being ok over the limit...
But then elsewhere I just found this on the Dis...


Is that the case? Can you legitimately book one over, given you won't get towels or sleeping space?
We're talking small kids, so physical space is not the issue, it's strictly whether or not DVC will allow 10 in a 2B that sleeps 9, or 13 in a GV that sleeps 12.

Thank you!

This is a misleading statement.

What is true is that at most 1BRs with 4 sleep surfaces they will allow a 5th person. No bedding, no bed, it's your problem. This group includes BWV, BCV, Saratoga and VWL. OKW, BLT, VGF and AKV 1BRs accommodate 5 already, with the exception of AKV Value. They don't permit a 5th over 3, period.

But you can't show up with a 5th for a studio that sleeps 4, no. Or stuff a spare into a THV.

 

[MrInfinity]

Ok, so that's only referring to the 1B's that officially sleep 4 -- they'll allow 5... but they won't allow 10 in a 9 person 2B?

 

[DebbieB]

I thought Disney was pretty firm at enforcing occupancy, aside from one baby/toddler who does not need a ticket being ok over the limit...
But then elsewhere I just found this on the Dis...
DVC will permit one extra guest over the age of three

Is that the case? Can you legitimately book one over, given you won't get towels or sleeping space?
We're talking small kids, so physical space is not the issue, it's strictly whether or not DVC will allow 10 in a 2B that sleeps 9, or 13 in a GV that sleeps 12.

Thank you!

My guess is it's a typo - should read DVC will permit one extra guess UNDER the age of three. You can't have an extra guest over 3 in a studio, they do allow it in some 1 bedrooms or larger.

 

[tjkraz]

Ok, so that's only referring to the 1B's that officially sleep 4 -- they'll allow 5... but they won't allow 10 in a 9 person 2B?

The resorts which only sleep 4 in a 1B and 8 in a 2B will allow one extra in each size room.

I do not believe that the resorts which sleep 5 & 9 allow an extra. At least, not anyone over the age of 3.

 

[supersnoop]

I thought Disney was pretty firm at enforcing occupancy, aside from one baby/toddler who does not need a ticket being ok over the limit...
But then elsewhere I just found this on the Dis...


Is that the case? Can you legitimately book one over, given you won't get towels or sleeping space?
We're talking small kids, so physical space is not the issue, it's strictly whether or not DVC will allow 10 in a 2B that sleeps 9, or 13 in a GV that sleeps 12.

Thank you!

Can you cite your source? That quote is either mistake. Or out of context.

 

[MrInfinity]

Can you cite your source? That quote is either mistake. Or out of context.

Sure... it was an old thread, here...
http://www.disboards.com/threads/cl...on-thread-2012.2861186/page-157#post-48180236

But I think it's just like Aurora and TJ said above, that it is pertinent only to the 1B's that sleep 4, and not all DVC rooms. Doesn't make sense to me that they'll let a 5th in a room that has an occupancy of 4 but not a 10th in a room that has an occupancy of 9. Either way, you're fitting someone in on a floor or putting 3 kids in a bed.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Doesn't make sense to me that they'll let a 5th in a room that has an occupancy of 4 but not a 10th in a room that has an occupancy of 9.

Occupancy rules needn't make sense. Disney can make whatever rules they want.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Sure... it was an old thread, here...
http://www.disboards.com/threads/cl...on-thread-2012.2861186/page-157#post-48180236

But I think it's just like Aurora and TJ said above, that it is pertinent only to the 1B's that sleep 4, and not all DVC rooms. Doesn't make sense to me that they'll let a 5th in a room that has an occupancy of 4 but not a 10th in a room that has an occupancy of 9. Either way, you're fitting someone in on a floor or putting 3 kids in a bed.

That was a pretty specific response to a 1BR at BWV. It also would apply to the 1BR's at the older resorts that only have sleeping spots for 4. When you go to make a reservation at any of them you will get the message about allowing the 5th.

 

[fishermouse]

I thought occupancy levels were set by fire/safety code. So unless the rooms are already underrated how can they allow more than posted.
Found this article under Florida occupancy law, the whole thing is to large to post but I believe they previously stated number of guests was restricted by code, if so they can not change it without a variance of some sort.
"There are a number of factors that go into determining the maximum occupancy of the space. One of the most obvious is the size of the enclosed space. This will include consideration of the available floor space, as well as the height of the ceiling. It is important to keep in mind that it is not just a matter of using the measurements of a room. Such factors as the placing of permanent columns, large pieces of furniture that are not likely to be moved, and any built in areas such as counter tops and cabinets will make an impact on what is considered available floor space. The final maximum occupancy ordered by the fire marshal will include all these types of considerations, making sure there is never too many people in the room that getting out of the space in an emergency would prove impossible.
One general rule of thumb in determining maximum occupancy is a simple formula of multiplying the room’s width in feet by the length in feet. The answer can then be divided by thirty-six to arrive at a basic occupancy figure. Keep in mind this approach simply sets the stage for the consideration of other factors and is not necessarily a firm and final maximum occupancy. Only the fire marshal will be able to quickly identify other factors and determine a maximum occupancy that is both equitable and safe".

 

[gmboy95]

people try to put 9 people in a two bedroom....that doesn't sound like a vacation, it sounds like a state penitentiary sentence

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I thought occupancy levels were set by fire/safety code. So unless the rooms are already underrated how can they allow more than posted.

In general, most hotels underrate the occupancy. You can see Disney having done so in the addition of murphy beds at both BWV and BCV. Those studios slept 4, now they sleep 5.

 

[keishashadow]

Occupancy rules needn't make sense. Disney can make whatever rules they want.

As stated above, they have to meet fire code

IMO occupancy rules absolutely make sense. Even if 1 out of 3 units snuck in an extra guest over the max stated occupancy, the public spaces/amenties could easily become over-crowded. This, in addition, to the safety issue.

people try to put 9 people in a two bedroom....that doesn't sound like a vacation, it sounds like a state penitentiary sentence

Lol - at the very least, A bit too close up & personal for my tastes.

 

[supersnoop]

In general, most hotels underrate the occupancy. You can see Disney having done so in the addition of murphy beds at both BWV and BCV. Those studios slept 4, now they sleep 5.

Something as simple as adding an extra smoke detector, fire extinguisher, or widening an exit door could make the difference. We don't really know what all was involved in that refurb.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Fire code is the upper limit, though, and not 100% dependent on floor space. Any hotelier can classify their rooms and only book them for a number of Max - X, where fire code might be okay with max (with or without a bed), but the hotel doesn't want that many people based on noise, wear and tear or other service factors.

There are definitely cases where we can see this -- Polynesian standard rooms that come in two queens or one king are the same size; similarly the difference at POR between an Alligator Bayou Room (sleeps 5) and a standard that sleeps 4 is not in the floorspace/square footage.

A BWV 1BR is 814 square feet. Obviously, includes the kitchen. It sleeps 5. So now does the BWV Studio with kitchenette, which sleeps 5 in 412 square feet.

 

[Pirate Granny]

Asked MS because BCV allowed 9 adults in a 2bedroom (before rehab), if after rehab, and they added a Murphy bed would they increase to 10, was told no, still only 9...Sorry. So we are renting a two bedroom and a studio...

 

[fishermouse]

Seems like a lot of differing information. Were any of these answers obtained from an official DVC posting? Not doubting anyone's sincerity but all these posts can not be correct! lol If planning to bring more than posted number for any room I suggest checking with MS when booking. The under 3 being allowed seems t make the most sense since they technically can sleep in the pack and play and will be under parental control, [or at least should be]

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Seems like a lot of differing information. Were any of these answers obtained from an official DVC posting? Not doubting anyone's sincerity but all these posts can not be correct! lol If planning to bring more than posted number for any room I suggest checking with MS when booking. The under 3 being allowed seems t make the most sense since they technically can sleep in the pack and play and will be under parental control, [or at least should be]

Keep in mind that the OP posted a statement but out of context where that statement was referring to a BWV 1BR.

DVC has differing occupancy at resorts. When you book online it lists out the occupancy possibility and only allows you to book what is allowed. IMO it's definitely an unusual thing that they do allow 5 in 1BR's that have beds for 4 but they do list that rule when you search on the room availability and allow the 5 to be booked. You are restricted from booking for 6 or in other villa sizes you are restricted from anything over occupancy.

 

[dwight16]

ok now i will get a lot of crap but i asked this before i had a situation last year where i had a sister in law show up on my trip and we were maxed out with 9 people. so long story short she stayed with us had to sleep on the floor on some cushions but we managed. it was very crowed and i probably would not allow it again. i have only heard disney stepping in if you bring in air mattress and are really over loaded and they catch you. my feeling if you have an extra kid your probably fine but you never know and its a risk. i would say make sure you clean up on cleaning day. i can tell you it makes it stressful having all those people in 1 room!

 

[Deb & Bill]

Actually, occupancy is based on the ability of getting people out of the building during a fire. The number of bodies trying to get down a stairwell, plus the widths of the corridors are determining factors.

Fully sprinkled buildings make it easier to get people out.