meggiebeth
WDW, DLR & DLP enthusiast
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- Aug 1, 2011
Now that I know I'll certainly try the chips. I like vinegar. I know what you mean about the different lingo. I knew before visiting England just a few words would be different, but I was surprised by how many. About the cheddar cheese, it would be fair to say that we have a lot of "cheese" here that is not like it should be. I put it in quotes because a good bit of it isn't even really cheese and is pretty yucky by taste and texture besides reading on the label as something strange like "processed cheese food product". We like real cheddar and my husband especially likes really sharp ones. I'm a label reader so I avoid most of the "cheese" in the grocery store but I know where to buy the good stuff.
Hehe, good for Rory. The stories of the six wives are kind of fascinating aren't they? I'm a history lover. My husband used to want to become a history teacher until he realized he was already making more money in computers over the summer during his college years than he could make as a teacher and that if he ended up teaching high school rather than teaching at the college level he'd have to deal with the behavior of kids and the crowd control issues that he saw with his little sister and her friends, who were all pretty wild at the time when he made that decision. But anyway, while I've been chatting with him as he drives and working offline on correspondence I mentioned our conversation and Jefferson and the Declaration... he started telling me about how there are a good many people who think all of the ideals of the Declaration of Independence are imitations from other thinkers such as Locke and Hobbes and Montesquieu, but that while many of our founding fathers were influenced by those same men there are some crucial differences and the Declaration of Independence is truly unique and pivotal in world history. And he gave me an interesting little refresher on the comparative philosophies of Jefferson and the three others I just mentioned.
The Declaration of Independence was essentially the result of the political problems that were going on in the American colonies just before the revolutionary war. It was the culmination of the landed men of the colonies having been discussing the seriousness they saw in those issues and debating between loyalty to the crown and the need to stand up for their rights as British citizens which they saw as being trampled. As the political tide turned and more and more decided the King would not reverse course but would oppress them and misuse them Thomas Jefferson was asked to draft this document which proclaimed to the King that they now saw themselves as independent of him and why.
Oh and DH says to say that while many schools dumb it down to the point of saying the whole thing was over the issue of "taxation without representation" that was actually number 14 on the list of reasons given on the document itself.
56 men signed the Declaration between August 2, 1776 and January 22, 1777, including two future presidents, three vice presidents, and ten members of the United States Congress.
There had been plenty of letters to the King before that time anyway, but obviously this one was different.
When he got this news he didn't exactly like it. A fair percentage of the signers of the Declaration ended up dead for having signed, some penniless, some with their families dead. But they are true American heroes, they and their sacrifices are the foundations of our country. We have one famous "founding father" who is mostly only famous to most people as a name, because his is the most prominent signature that can be read on the document. And his name has become synonymous with the word "signature". So sometimes when people here want you to sign something like perhaps your loan papers when you are buying a house or a car, they will say, "put your John Hancock right there".
The schools in our district our somewhere between average and very good, not the tops in the state but not at all bad by public school standards. My oldest child, my son, had a lot of learning challenges and he was basically "falling through the cracks". So I had to do something to help him. I pulled him out of school when he was mid-way through the fourth grade, but was two years behind in math, struggling with reading and having enormous social problems with kids and teachers too. I didn't know it yet at the time, but it turned out that he had Asperger's Syndrome. It was truly a hard job teaching him and I could see why the schools would have a hard time being equipped to handle every special need they run into. But without going into the rest of the story of his education before and after that point, that was how we found homeschooling. We just found it to be a really lovely lifestyle for our family and to have tons of amazing benefits. We love it. My daughters have never been to a school.
One of the strengths of homeschooling is the ability to individualize the education to the child completely. However that can also be seen as a drawback to homeschooling; any area where a child has a weakness becomes an area where you have to work harder, be diligent, find a way for them to succeed or even pull ahead in that subject. My kids are all great readers and the older two were both reading on a college level by the time they were twelve. (and that was after the public schools couldn't teach my son to read until I did it for them when he was the seven and eight years old.) I am weak in math and none of them seem to like math so that is where we have to have the most self-discipline and really work to make it happen.
But here is the great thing: It is all about letting your child (or helping them to) learn how to learn, to love to learn, to respect education and to be self-disciplined and independent. And while homeschooling as a movement or a personal choice is wonderful and I'd highly recommend it to just about anyone, it isn't really just about those can do it the way we do it. One of my favorite home school moms who lectures to other moms and sells a curriculum she wrote herself, is a woman who has her children in public schools and does what she calls "after-schooling" with them. She is supplementing their eduction essentially. Another person, a father, who I have bought curriculum from is a man whose wife had put together the materials to be used and had been homeschooling their children and then passed away suddenly. As a widower, he actually kept on homeschooling his kids right through until they all got accepted at excellent colleges and universities, even though he worked full time and they had to work mostly independently. Not to mention American History is full of amazing figures who were taught at home or were self-taught---world history for that matter. If you bone up on your history, you'll be doing the same wonderful thing!
We do not have an equivalent of the GCSEs, or I should say the GCSE test here. Our schools all have compulsory schooling right up to what we call twelfth grade. I think by design, our eleventh and twelfth grade are meant to be at the same level as your two years that you call second form. I remember back a million years ago when I was a teen participating in some and listening to a good deal of debate about whether the British system or the American system was superior as to that particular difference. If I got to decide I'm sure I'd switch us over to the British system. But many Americans tend to think that if everyone is not University-bound they have been wronged, where I think that to assign people privileges without equivalent responsibility is to do them wrong, and is quite probably a part of the reason for the continued decline in educational excellence that we have been experiencing here since before I was born. I've been aware of some of the facts about that situation in the past but I was recently horrified to learn that even the SATs and a huge percentage of college courses have been dumbed down since I took the SATs back in the 1980s.
Our SATs are tests that many students who want to go on to college or university have to take depending on which schools they are applying to. There are other similar tests that some schools ask for. The acronym stands for Scholastic Aptitude Test. And people also sometimes refer to them as "the college boards". Here if a student wants to go on to college after twelfth grade, they have to contact the schools they are considering attending and find out about the requirements for admission. Then if they still want to try to get in, they fill out an application and send it in along with all other requirements, such as official scores from the SAT or some other test. Then they wait to hear if they get accepted. Some schools will take nearly anyone no matter how poor of a student and some are extremely tough to gain entrance to.
I know what you mean about the environment in the schools, that certainly had an influence on me during my schooling and in my future ideas about schools in general.
I love the 4th of July. It is a fun holiday for sure. Unfortunately we do have plenty of people here who are into "political correctness" and don't seem to be aware of the problems associated with it or who let it inform their opinions way more than they should. But at least we also still have the other.
Mardi Gras is a holiday associated with the practice of lent, I believe. It seems like most people only celebrate it as a giant wild party or don't celebrate it at all; but I believe it started out as and may still be to some people a thing where they "party hard" before going on a fast or giving something up for lent. I'm not a catholic so those particular religious traditions could probably get a much better explanation from someone else.
Thanksgiving is a national Holiday now and has its roots back in the colonial era when the pilgrims of the Massachusetts Bay Colony had a several days long feast and celebration where they thanked God for the harvest. Although for the first hundred years or more after that there were different times and places that the same thing happened without uniformity, it is now always at the end of November (a good bit after the harvest for some of the states) and is generally celebrated with a feast and Thanks given to God for the food and for good things in life.
About the girl from Montana, maybe next month her family will at least be able to get a turkey and have a regular Thanksgiving the way they would have back home. I wonder if they could mail order just a few items that aren't available in the UK? I know the shipping is outrageous but you can often mail order foreign specialty foods here.
Haha, pizza and wings are a restaurant fad of the last ten or so years here. The "wings" are chicken wings with a spicy sauce on them. In restaurants part of the process of making them includes deep frying, but then that isn't the end of it. I can't imagine that getting them in the grocery store would be the same, but then again how many grocery store convenience foods are ever the same as what they mimic? They are often called Buffalo wings because of a restaurant in Buffalo, New York that made them. And for some strange reason lots of restaurants offer special deals for ordering pizza and wings at the same time. Well, I guess they are both the kinds of foods that people like for having a movie night or for having friends over to watch sports on the television. I like both things, but I've never actually had them in the same meal.
Now that you see how badly I can go on and on about history and then get told to put more in by DH, you'll be afraid to ask anything about it. But it is just a great subject to us. I'm glad you see the good in people liking their own country. I think the reasons that people decide we are all supposed to be ashamed of ourselves because of the past are rarely very well thought out and the emotionalism involved certainly prevents people developing a proper understanding of their own history and therefore ironically makes it all the more likely that if they get there way they are dooming the future to repetitions of those same past mistakes they are so upset about. Plus as with many other countries, Britain and America both have a lot of good things to be happy about in their histories along with the rotten things. Plus the British flag is great. I think that would be awesome if it was out in front of people's houses all over your beautiful country. And all the more so if I got to come and see it happen. Patriotism and TRAVEL. How could that be wrong?
Yes, I agree, although England and America both speak English, there are many different phrases. Me and my brothers have grown up watching so much American television that we know a lot of American jargon.
That's great then- if you can get hold of some 'mature' cheddar cheese, then that would taste wonderful with a baked potato and beans. My mum roasts them in the oven with sea salt, I think. I guess we were just tourists, but we weren't impressed with the cheese we bought in Florida. We must've bought the wrong stuff. Do you have red leicester cheese? That is also a really nice cheese.
Speaking of red leicester, I used to have it in a sandwich with marmite. I have always wondered whether you can get that in the US. You either love it or hate it! It is very strong- and some people have been known to spread it on very thickly, believing it is chocolate spread. Which... well... it chokes them. Literally.
I am also a history lover. Well, I have to say, it sounds like your husband made a good decision by not becoming a history teacher... for more than financial reasons. Both of my history teachers have a very difficult time managing some of the more 'reluctant' to learn students- and by that I mean they don't want to learn at all! Is he a college level teacher? I have to say that sounds more enjoyable than teaching at high school level. High school is compulsory, so I guess you would have to deal with kids who just DON'T want to be their- and their awful behaviour. I can't wait till college/ university, when pretty much everyone wants to be there and behaves.
I hate to say it... but I really don't understand much about the Declaration of Independence. I know that it was sent to the King of England... and the US wanted freedom... but that's about it. Lol. We talk about it rarely here- and the only time I have heard it mentioned in the UK is when I was about 7 or 8 and watching an episode of 'Fairly Odd Parents'.
It's embarrassing how controlling the British seemed. We had a huge empire, right up to the Victorian times, I think. Queen Victoria found presentation and image very important, obviously, and made her soliders wear bright uniform... red I think. Which obviously wasn't much of a disguise when invading other countries!
We have done a lot of work on Native Indians and the slave trade though, for the last three years. I would like to move on now. I am truly interested in American history, but it's hard for me to start learning it considering I know so little. The slave trade looked horrific. We watched a video at school of lots of black people on the ship tied to a chain, with rocks, I believe. Then they threw the rocks off the ship first, and the poor people were dragged off one by one and drowned. (And of course, that was by the British, right?!) AND the British sailed over and forced the Native Americans onto reservations. Doesn't sound like we were very nice to the US! We used to be very powerful until the first world war. Then... we kind of got overtaken. Lol.
Obviously, though, the Declaration was part of the reason America got freedom, right? It's a shame people had to die for it though.
Were there just the Native Americans in America when the British came? Doesn't that mean that most Americans are actually British? Sorry, I guess Pocahontus isn't exactly the best source to go by!
It sounds like your decision to take your son out of school was a great move!Understandably, it must have been hard for his school dealing with all of his learning challenges... but I thought they were meant to deal with things like that anyhow. But I think that you taking him out was great in the respect that he will get a lot more attention and help. And it sounds like you're a great teacher anyway! I am interested in seeing how well my school teaches... and I do notice that the students who find learning a challenge DO fall through the cracks. And most of them are badly behaved too, I think because they don't really see themselves improving much. And they don't get the help that they need, either. I find it really sad.
If only most challenged children had the opportunity to be homeschooled by their parents. It sounds like your son has a far more positive future because of it. As for the college level reading- that IS impressive! So your son could not read much until you homeschooled him? I guess it just goes to show that even when the school 'can't'... it sounds like they can! Did they not give your son 'individual' help? Some children at my school have one or two hours help a week individually with a teaching assistant or teacher.
Who does like maths?! I have always disliked it, and I am struggling now that we are learning GCSE level things. To go from E, D and C level things to A and A* things is very difficult!
So do you teach your kids together, or split up your time individually? I can't imaging my mother teaching me and my brothers. She would be shouting at us after 10 minutes!
If you don't mind my asking, I have always been told that homeschooling means your social skills are not as developed as they would be if you were in school. (I have seriously asked my parents if I can be homeschooled... for... like 3 years!) How did your kids make friends if they didn't go to school? I have been told a lot that homeschooling is lonely and you don't interact with people your own age much.
That is a great idea about the mother who supplements her kids' education after school. I think that is a great idea! Your second story is really sad! But it sounds like the father never gave up- and having a full time job must have made it very challenging! My parents both work full time and come home exhausted each day, so I can't imagine how challenging it must've been for the father. I'm not sure if it's legal to be 'self-taught' here- otherwise I would have tried it.
Infact, when we were in FL, we were driving in the car listening to the radio when an advert came on for school on the internet?! Something like that anyway. So instead of homeschooling, you can go to school on the internet. I suppose you have to apply yourself well to be able to do that successfully, but it sounded interesting to me. I wish SO much we had that here! It always seems like there are more opportunities in America... and I'm missing out!
I do think GCSEs are a good idea. I am very surprised that there is not an equivilent to them in the US! If you have GCSEs you are more likely to get a better paid job than someone with no GCSEs (or should I say, someone who hasn't passed them.) School is compulsory up until year 11... (isn't that the 10th grade?) and then we have the choice to go onto sixth form... only if we have good enough GCSEs though! When my parents took them, they were called O-Levels and A-Levels. And there were two different O-Levels- one for more 'capable' students, and one for academically challenged students. But then they were combined to make GCSEs... which are meant to suit everyone. But recently, they have been relatively easy to pass, and if you didn't do very well in your test, you were allowed to re-do it until you passed! Infact, our last government, labour, were apparently to blame for this, and claimed there were better results since them coming into power, when infact they had just made them easier to pass! Our new coalition government is changing this though, I think, which is good... but it also means GCSEs will be harder for me!
So if you have no GCSEs or A-Levels, can anyone get into university? When my dad was in uni, only about 5% of students went to university/ college after school, but since labour has encouraged more people to go, and helped more people to pass GCSEs, even students with A grades haven't gotten a place in university. And people come out of university or college to find there are no jobs for them!
Really? We do SATs here too! However they don't sound as serious as yours. We don't do them at the end of school either. We do them in year 2 (first grade, right?) year 6 (fifth grade?) and we used to do them in year 9, but this was abolished a few years ago. So SATs define whether you get into university in the US? Are they as important as GCSEs?
The 4th July sounds great. It's one of your BIG holidays, isn't it? I would love to experience it, and have heard there are lots of celebrations, parades and fireworks.
We have too much political correctness too. Aparently, having a British flag on display in public might offend ethnic minorities. And we are not supposed to call the green man on the traffic light that anymore, but instead a 'green person', because it might offend those who aren't men!
I suppose political correctness is linked to sueing. (I think I spelt it right?) When we drove up to WDW, there were huge billboards saying things like; 'HAVE YOU HAD AN INJURY AT WORK?' and other circumstances that you could sue people for. When we stereotype America, we think 'sueing' and 'guns'. We have to have guns registered here, but there is a lot of knife crime in and around London and other large cities.
Oh, so THAT'S what Mardi Gras is! We don't have that, but we do have pancake day! I think it's meant to be so you use up all the 'nice' foods ready for Lent. Our pancakes are different to the thick fluffy ones in the US though. They are like the French crepes... if you have ever tasted them? And heavenly with lemon juice and sugar.
I don't mean to sound offensive, but is America very religious? My mum's friend used to live in Jacksonville, Florida, and said most people were religious, and the church communities were very friendly and accepting. I think it's lovely that you all say 'blessed'... and I have actually caught on and started to say it too! It sounds like such an appreciative, positive thing to say.
Oh, I kind of sensed that Thanksgiving was to do with food because of the turkey. Is it almost as big as Christmas? It sounds quite festive!
I always knew that 'wings' were popular in America! In Walmart or Publix, they advertised wings as 'wyngz' and they came with pizza in a box. In Walmart, they sell tea in petrol cans. I could spend hours looking at all the 'interesting' food in Walmart especially. They have started selling Hershey Kisses in our local supermarket here, and although I think they are disgusting, I will buy anything to remind me of WDW and America!
The girl from Montana's mother is actually English, and I believe she married an Englishman in the US... so I don't think they celebrate Thanksgiving. She has just told me that they go to a special place in the UK to get American foods... at a price of course! Tell me about it in regards to the expensive postage costs from the US... I want to get a CD from WDW but the postage is something ridiculous like $30.
You and your DH sound awesome when you talk about history! You know so much about it! You both sound so passionate- and proud of your country's history! Patriotism is great- I wish the British were proud to be British again! Oh well... it gives me more excuse to go to America again to see it!
There are lots of British flags in London and touristy places... just not in normal towns and cities. I wish we could be more like America in that aspect! It sounds like you love to travel! Well we have that in common too! What could be better that seeing new cultures, experiencing different places and learning all the while!
We had a GREAT time. I just love WDW. It truly is the happiest place on earth!! We stayed for a week w/ my DHs sister and her husband. Was so sad when we had to leave. Wasn't sure when we would make it back (went the last two years in a row) but now have found out I get to go for work in March 2012!!! So excited. I'll work during the day but DH will play. Then we will meet up and have the nights. Probably will take a day or two extra.
It's fabulous that you had a great time! We were also in awe when we first went to WDW. We have been on holiday to lots of other places, but not one has had people as polite, happy and curteous as Disney! So you didn't go with kids? I'm so glad that adults love it too- my parents think Disney is for children and I'm the only person who misses WDW every day of the year!
What great luck that you're going for work... and only about 1/2 a year away too! I'm guessing your DH has been bitten by the Disney bug too! I never quite understood people before our trip when they said 'You WILL be back.' But now I do! WDW is addictive! Are you staying on property? You're so lucky- you have so much planning to do! That's half the fun, after all!