Our October surprise?

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Yesterday, the New York Times did a fine service for the Kerry campaign by publishing a carefully timed hit piece describing how tons of explosives have gone missing from a site in Iraq.

This morning, the story is imploding, with NBC News leading the charge to point out that the explosives were already gone when U.S. troops arrived just a day after the fall of Baghdad. (Bizarrely, CNN has this as their lead story online, and it is nowhere to be found on MSNBC's front page).


http://www.truthlaidbear.com/archives/2004/10/26/nyts_october_surprise_collapses.php#001509

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/iraq.explosives/index.html
 
Too late Rich, that horse is already out of the stall.
 
Once again, it appears that the Kerry Camp is hyperventilating over a fiction (a la "The Draft", "January Suprise", etc.). But the NYT seems determined to attempt a "broadside du jour" against Bush in the last week of the campaign and the heavy breathing on the Left will no doubt continue for the duration.

The WSJ today has an interesting editoral on Kerry's end-game strategy (note, it appears to have been written before the info about the explosives being gone before the US troops arrived was known)... bolding is mine:
War and 'Competence'
What Abraham Lincoln could teach John Kerry about Iraq.

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:01 a.m.

A week before Election Day, John Kerry and his allies have once again changed their line of attack on Iraq. The issue isn't any longer whether we should have fought the war at all ("wrong war, wrong place, wrong time"), it is that the Senator would fight it with more "competence."

The peg for this line is yesterday's story that a stockpile of explosives was stolen from under the Coalition's nose in Iraq. This is certainly bad news and looks like a blunder. But what is it precisely that the Kerry campaign is asserting? That if it were running the war, mistakes would never be made? That amid the fog of war, and facing a determined enemy, nothing bad ever happens?

Implicit in this accusation is the assumption that the Bush Administration has faced a series of easy decisions in Iraq, and somehow blown them all. Come to think of it, this has been a staple of the criticism from all of those sunshine hawks, such as Mr. Kerry, who supported the war before it began but have since had second thoughts. Toppling Saddam Hussein seemed like a good idea at the time, but the Bush Administration messed it up by not heeding their sound counsel.

Yet who ever said war is easy? On the eve of the war, in 2003, we wrote that "the law of unintended consequences has not been repealed, no war ever goes precisely as planned," and that "toppling Saddam is a long-term undertaking." We had no doubt that the American people had the staying power to win, but our main concern was "whether Americans can generate the political consensus to sustain involvement in Iraq." Alas, that worry has been borne out by Monday-morning four-stars on both the left and right.

Certainly the Bush Administration has made mistakes, as these columns have noted along the way. The CIA failed to anticipate the Baathist strategy of yielding the war conventionally in order to wage it later unconventionally. Stopping the Marine advance in Fallujah last April sent a message of hesitation that is only now being corrected. Muqtada al-Sadr's career ought to have been ended when he was an upstart; today he's an untouchable. The political handover should have happened much sooner than it did, and we should have trained more Iraqis to fight by our side before the war. And so on.

Yet to acknowledge these blunders in hindsight doesn't mean anyone else would have done better. From the decision to disband the Iraqi army, through the complex negotiations over the Iraqi Constitution, to the calibration of force employed in Najaf, the Administration has faced one hard call after another. We know now of the consequences of those calls, good and bad, but how certain are we that the alternatives would have turned out better?

Also welcome would be a bit of historical perspective. Prior to September 11, Americans had grown accustomed to swift and certain victories in places like Panama, Kuwait and Kosovo. The brilliant campaign in Afghanistan also posed some difficult choices--topple the Taliban, join with the often unsavory Northern Alliance?--that were fiercely argued at the time. But because they turned out well, Mr. Kerry is able to say in hindsight that that is the kind of war he likes.

The truth is that war is nearly always a trial-and-error business in which bad decisions and failure tend to precede good ones--and victory. During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln hired, then cashiered, Generals Scott, McClellan, Burnside, Hooker and Meade before settling on Grant. That took about two years, during which the catastrophes of Bull Run (Union casualties: 2,896), Fredricksburg (13,353) and Chancellorsville (18,400) intervened. How's that for poor Presidential personnel choices leading to unnecessary loss of life?

Or consider the Allied campaign in Europe during World War II. This too contained its share of squandered opportunities (the failure to seal the Falaise Gap, through which the bulk of the German Army escaped France in August 1944), fiascoes (Operation Market Garden of "A Bridge Too Far" fame) and costly diversions (the invasion of Italy). By these historical benchmarks, the Bush Administration has done reasonably well in Iraq.

Throughout most of 2003, a sufficient fraction of America's liberal elite concurred in the Administration's view that the choice America faced in Iraq was between Saddam Hussein's eventual rehabilitation or his destruction, and that the first option was intolerable. They further agreed that the goal of a free and moderate Iraq was both attainable and essential if America was to prevail in the overall war on terror.

Not much more than a year later, this pro-war liberal elite has broken with that earlier consensus, much as the liberal elite that initially supported the Vietnam War headed for the tall grass as the going got tough after 1965. This time the excuse is competence--as if competence, in the absence of political will, can win this or any other kind of war. In their support for Mr. Kerry, they apparently see a modern-day version Richard Nixon, circa 1968, a man who isn't saddled by his predecessor's mistakes and who will fight "a better war."

But in order to win a war, you have to have the vision and determination to fight it despite setbacks and political difficulties. Americans should be wary of politicians who promise more "competent" leadership in a war that those same politicians say they'd rather not fight.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005807
Lincoln faced withering criticism about the Civil War during the 1864 election. His Democratic oppenent was one of the generals he fired: McClellan... who said he would do a better job and might sue for peace with the South. Most people thought Abe was a "goner" and through most of the campaign it looked like Lincoln would be a one-term "failure".

In 1968, Nixon was the "peace" candidate... four years later he was still at war.

As for Bush "botching" things like Tora Bora (using a technique that Kerry, BTW, endorsed in Dec 2001) and the supposed weapons cache... the last time a White House attempted to micro-manage the prosecution of a war at such a level as the way that Kerry feels he should have... it was the war in Vietnam.
 
This was just silly from the word Go. 380 tons of explosives gone and they're trying to say it was looters?
 

Teejay,

NRO put it this way...
...the alternative is that Iraqi looters walked/drove away with 350 tons of this stuff after the Coalition was in the neighborhood. You don’t just walk away with 350 tons with it tucked in your shirt one handful at a time. Or, alternatively, one has to believe that the Coalition troops just ignored a 40 truck convoy leaving an Iraqi arms depot. Imagine that road checkpoint:

“Say, Abdul, what do you have in the truck and the 39 behind you?”
“Baby milk, sir.”

“Ah. Okay. You can go about your business. Move along. Move along.”

...

Would it be easier to smuggle this stuff out when U.S. troops were rumbling through the country and tanks were on every street corner? Would you want to be driving a truck with ten tons of high-grade explosives through a country with hundreds of thousands of coalition troops, armed to the teeth and with itchy trigger fingers? And all that satellite and aerial reconnaissance that was in place before the war - it just disappeared after April 4? (The date that US troops first entered the area.)

Is that plausible? Or is it more likely that the stuff was moved when the Hussein regime controlled the site, when there was a ton of trucks running around the country preparing for war, when the U.S. wasn’t going to risk starting a war before the deadline, during that window between the IAEA check and the troops arriving?

Draw your own conclusions. But I know the scenario I think is more likely.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp
 
Yep...a story over 1 year old and they print it now????

Can you say timing? And people were saying this was the time Bush was going to "find" Osama.
 
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
 
Originally posted by missypie
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.

Tell that to Senator Kerry. He voted for authorization, remember?

Or did you also think yes then, no now?

Richard
 
We should not be in Iraq.
...but we can't put that genie back in the bottle. And if Kerry gets elected the Baathist elements in Iraq will see him as a President that could likely be pressured to leave Iraq prematurely if they just step up the attacks against US forces. As the WSJ pointed out: With what convictions does someone prosecute a war they don't believe in?
 
The NY Times look like fools, as do Kerry and Edwards. Keep it up.
 
Originally posted by richiebaseball
Tell that to Senator Kerry. He voted for authorization, remember?

Or did you also think yes then, no now?

Richard

No from the summer before we invaded, when the administration decided to wait until fall to try to start "selling" our invasion of Iraq. No, every step of the way.
 
missypie,

Sen. Notbush went on The McLaughlin Group show on 11/16/2001 during our campgaign in Afghanistan and said this:
McLaughlin asks Kerry "What do we have to worry about (in Afghanistan)?" Here's the last part of Kerry's answer:

Kerry: I have no doubt, I've never had any doubt -- and I've said this publicly -- about our ability to be successful in Afghanistan. We are and we will be. The larger issue, John, is what happens afterwards. How do we now turn attention ultimately to Saddam Hussein? How do we deal with the larger Muslim world? What is our foreign policy going to be to drain the swamp of terrorism on a global basis?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108682/

How would you characterize what Kerry meant by the bolded quote above?
 
Originally posted by missypie
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.
We should not be in Iraq.


So, you're solution is to pack up and leave. Your argument is moot at this point. We are there. The question now is, how do we stabilize and transition. Focus on the right things. It does no good to play "shoulda, coulda, woulda"
 
Originally posted by missypie
No from the summer before we invaded, when the administration decided to wait until fall to try to start "selling" our invasion of Iraq. No, every step of the way.

Ah, so you disagreed with Senator Kerry in his support for the war. And make no mistake, Senator Kerry was a willing salesman.

So your choice is between President Bush who certainly supported the Iraq invasion or Senator Kerry who certainly supported the Iraq invasion.

If Iraq is your "hot button", I'm afraid you don't have much of a choice.

Richard
 

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