OT: Impeachment Isn't Enough

[fey_spirit]

I not only didn't vote for him - I activly fought against him... campaigned my little heart out... so why do I have to put up with him again? "You voted for him - you deal with him" hardly applies to me... ::Sigh::

I wish to apologize. For the past 6 & 1/2 years, I have been thinking that well you voted for him, you deserve all the damage he causes. Now, Jr. is going even further than I can stomache, impeachment is too slow a process. Hopefully in the future, you will develop a national recall formula to deal with other electoral mistakes. You deserve better than Jr. it's too bad that you have to suffer through the next year and a half.

I am a concerned Canadian.

 

[starlionblue]

It really amazes me that this is such a big deal for him

Well, it amazes me that Democrats can't stand the fact that guns save lives when burglaries happen every single day. Why is that a big deal to YOU? I hear that San Francisco overturned the 2nd Amendment recently. Nice thinking. I ask you: what do gay couples do when hate groups turn violent and start breaking into houses? (and I'm NOT gay) Just look at Wyoming. It's SHOCKING how many hate crimes are committed every year. Why do Democrats hate ordinary people being able to protect themselves? Don't give me that TIIIIIRED old argument about crime. What does a battered wife do when her ex-husband keeps stalking her, sending her death threats day and night and she lives in a state where she can't find some means of defense?

 

[ConcKahuna]

Well, it amazes me that Democrats can't stand the fact that guns save lives when burglaries happen every single day. Why is that a big deal to YOU? I hear that San Francisco overturned the 2nd Amendment recently. Nice thinking. I ask you: what do gay couples do when hate groups turn violent and start breaking into houses? (and I'm NOT gay) Just look at Wyoming. It's SHOCKING how many hate crimes are committed every year. Why do Democrats hate ordinary people being able to protect themselves? Don't give me that TIIIIIRED old argument about crime. What does a battered wife do when her ex-husband keeps stalking her, sending her death threats day and night and she lives in a state where she can't find some means of defense?

I say outlaw handguns but allow rifles. Handguns are only for killing people, at least with rifles you can hunt for food too.

And a rifle is still a great item for defending your home with....

 

[fey_spirit]

I'm a Democrat and I don't hate guns...
I hate what some people do with guns - I hate the fact that guns are a little too easy to get, but I don't hate guns.

Personally so long as they do a background check, make an attempt to keep them away from those with a conviction in cases of criminal violence, and actually make sure that the people who purchase them know how to use them and care for them so that they and their families don't get hurt with them - I'm all for them.

But then liberals tend to think I'm a republican so

Well, it amazes me that Democrats can't stand the fact that guns save lives when burglaries happen every single day. Why is that a big deal to YOU? I hear that San Francisco overturned the 2nd Amendment recently. Nice thinking. I ask you: what do gay couples do when hate groups turn violent and start breaking into houses? (and I'm NOT gay) Just look at Wyoming. It's SHOCKING how many hate crimes are committed every year. Why do Democrats hate ordinary people being able to protect themselves? Don't give me that TIIIIIRED old argument about crime. What does a battered wife do when her ex-husband keeps stalking her, sending her death threats day and night and she lives in a state where she can't find some means of defense?

 

[R.S.Winters]

It is very sad that supposedly one of the most powerful countries in the world is still living in the Dark Ages. I could have lived in the States, but glad I didn't now. I don't think I could live in the same country as people who have so much hatred against others. I know it's only a minority of them that think like this, but they are the POWERFUL minority - they are the ones running your country, and that's sad.
I'm British and Proud, and so much as I don't like Tony Blair and his government, I give them credit, we do not have the same kind of sexual discrimination here as you guys do. And racial discrimination is more or less zero tollerance now too. They even made same sex marriage into law in Dec 2005.
Did I mention we don't use guns?
BRITISH AND PROUD

 

[jimmiej]

Did I mention we don't use guns?
BRITISH AND PROUD

Do criminals use guns in the UK?

 

[Uncle Remus]

Not all violent crime has hate as its primary motivation. If you attack someone you don't know simply because they are different, or you don't agree with their philosophy, that is a HATE crime. Murder is also motivated by greed, lust, any number of reasons, and in those instances the person who is hurt or killed has had some sort of prior relationship to the criminal. Hate crimes, like the death of Matthew Shepherd, have no motive other than hate...no robbery, or greed, or lust...just hate. Just kill or maime someone for the "fun of it because they are different."

OK, I admit I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread and I'm rather on edge today so I'm just gonna quote and second Chuck's knowledge on this issue coz it's the truth.

 

[NYBlue1]

See, here's where I get confused. A rich person is much more likely to be robbed (which could result in murder) than a homosexual, because that's where the money is. So don't rich people need to be more protected than homosexuals? If so, shouldn't hate crime bills focus more on rich people?

If your going to come here with the fake name cause for whatever reason you are ashamed to use your real ID to post on here, at least come with something good.

Your confusion runs far more deep than you may expect. You have no idea what a HATE crime entails , if you are trying to trivialize it to push buttons here you are failing miserably. Your just making yourself appear ignorant to the topic at hand.

Honestly when is the last time you heard of nightly reports of groups of people waiting outside of expensive restaurants or country clubs waiting to beat up the patrons cause they are rich.

 

[markp1]

If your going to come here with the fake name cause for whatever reason you are ashamed to use your real ID to post on here, at least come with something good.

Your confusion runs far more deep than you may expect. You have no idea what a HATE crime entails , if you are trying to trivialize it to push buttons here you are failing miserably. Your just making yourself appear ignorant to the topic at hand.

Honestly when is the last time you heard of nightly reports of groups of people waiting outside of expensive restaurants or country clubs waiting to beat up the patrons cause they are rich.

Wow, such anger,such judgmentalism. That's the second person who's falsely accused me of using a fake name. Why should I be surprised, when the moderator, the one that I assume is supposed to evince a welcoming attitude, sets such a poor example. Why can't people stick to issues and avoid catty accusations like that? And instead of calling me ignorant, why not just make your point, or refute mine? Any who, why don't you hear nightly reports of people robbing rich people? Isn't it obvious? Because it happens so often that it's not news. Next question.

 

[Viki]

Wow, such anger,such judgmentalism. That's the second person who's falsely accused me of using a fake name. Why should I be surprised, when the moderator, the one that I assume is supposed to evince a welcoming attitude, sets such a poor example. Why can't people stick to issues and avoid catty accusations like that? And instead of calling me ignorant, why not just make your point, or refute mine? Any who, why don't you hear nightly reports of people robbing rich people? Isn't it obvious? Because it happens so often that it's not news. Next question.

Friends, this is a heads-up: usually the sort of thing you just wrote earns you big demerits on the disboards, but I'll give you this one warning as I try one more time to explain that when a poster comes to the Gay and Lesbian boards and raises questions to us on their very first post, without having established a dialog and a basic civil stance, we have questions about your true intent. All of that is reasonable and we are being more than kind to keep this conversation going. May I suggest, if you'd like to keep it going on your end, that you have a change of tone, if not heart.

 

[markp1]

Friends, this is a heads-up: usually the sort of thing you just wrote earns you big demerits on the disboards, but I'll give you this one warning as I try one more time to explain that when a poster comes to the Gay and Lesbian boards and raises questions to us on their very first post, without having established a dialog and a basic civil stance, we have questions about your true intent. All of that is reasonable and we are being more than kind to keep this conversation going. May I suggest, if you'd like to keep it going on your end, that you have a change of tone, if not heart.

Ah yes, more of that "welcoming" attitude. You know, it's strange. I imagine many homosexuals have had to deal with a begrudging attitude from others. You had to "prove" that--despite being a homosexual--you were still an ok person. I can understand how you'd resent that. You wouldn't expect to see that same you're-not-ok-until-you-prove-to-me-you're-ok attitude in a homesexual forum. No, you wouldn't expect that.

 

[NYBlue1]

All one has to do to see the type of people that frequent this board, of any orientation , is to read the threads.

You have alot of discontent, thats ok, some people do, I for one wish you the best in your quest to live a happy , healthy and full life.

Nobody here is looking to play games , just express opinions and share experiences about disney and beyond. No need to get nasty and try to bait , pretty easy to see through and will not be returned from this poster any longer.

God Bless you and Peace.

EDIT:

I missed this reading your reply first time through...your quote was:
"Any who, why don't you hear nightly reports of people robbing rich people? Isn't it obvious? Because it happens so often that it's not news. Next question."


We are not talking about robbing gay people we are talking about beating them up just cause they are gay, and I stand by , when is the last time you heard of rich people being stalked outside fancy restaurants or country clubs and being beaten up for being rich BEATEN not ROBBED..those are two completly different situations. Maybe you are just not understanding what a hate crime is?

 

[NewJersey]

I don't think he should be impeached. I'm not a fan of Bush at all, but we shouldn't waste taxpayer money and time on an impeachment. I'd rather focus on the war on terrorism, getting our troops home, lowering our taxes, balancing the budget, getting the gov't out of our lives, improving education, and getting waste out of Washington.

Wasting time on an impeachment isn't the answer.

 

[fey_spirit]

The problem is none of those things is actually going to happen until Bubba goes home...
My problem is by the time we got all the way through the process at this point he's going to be out of office anyway.

I don't think he should be impeached. I'm not a fan of Bush at all, but we shouldn't waste taxpayer money and time on an impeachment. I'd rather focus on the war on terrorism, getting our troops home, lowering our taxes, balancing the budget, getting the gov't out of our lives, improving education, and getting waste out of Washington.

Wasting time on an impeachment isn't the answer.