OT: 1 yr old still doesn't sleep through night.

He sounded all sad, but then he said, "Mommy, night night?" And DH told him yes, and that he needed to be night night, too. It was like a little lightbulb went on over his head where he realized that Mommy was sleeping, too, and not off having a party without him. It took a couple nights of DH reminding him that I was sleeping and he slept through the night ever since.

that is SO cute!! And this reminded me of something else to add... my poor sleeper dd was also the type to literally be so tired she'd walk into walls, and still refuse to go to sleep ("I NOT TIRED!!") She didn't want to miss anything going on. I used to joke that I promised I wouldn't have a party while she was sleeping. But she was my social butterfly from day 1 - even as an infant, she was SO curious and alert/awake (or as my mil would say "nosey!" -always had to put a negative spin on everything - sigh!)

In contrast, good sleeper ds would lay himself down for a nap every day... he'd announce "I tired... ba-ba" and i'd give his bottle and he'd put himself on the couch and fall asleep for 2 hours. He could care less what he was 'missing' going on around him. He was also not as social as his sister.
 
Our oldest didn't sleep through the night until almost age 4. Our youngest slept through the night around 18 months.

Each child is different.

We do the family bed thing (or did when they couldn't sleep) and it worked well.

Dawn
 
My oldest son had trouble sleeping through the night until he was 18 mo and then CIO worked for him. My second son didn't have any sleep issues and slept through thenight since he was 2 weeks old and my Daughter is still waking during the night. She will go to bed okay but then wakes in the middle of the night. We decided it was easiest for everyone if we took her in our bed and then usually within 15-30 min she is ready to go back to her room. We tried CIO with her and that just didn't work, but this works and she goes right back to sleep on her own.
 
I read something interesting a couple of years ago. Seems that kids of most single parents don't have the sleep issues that kids of couples have. The study's authors postulated that single parents simply couldn't keep up the rockings and other things that families can do with more than one adult.

This played out in our own house. DS was doing pretty well sleeping long stretches, but when DH had to leave town for a week, and I was on my own with a 6 week old, he was sleeping through the night by the end of the week. I was SO tired, I was sleeping through his crying. By the end of three nights, it had stopped.


That is very intersting. I was thinking something similar about working parents verse stay at homes. I wonder if a study has been done on that? It just seems to me that myself (both DH and I work FT) or my FT working friends don't have any sleep issues with our children, but my friends who are stay at home moms do? I wonder if any studies have been done on that?
 

My son had reflux and would also vomit if he cried too hard. He is 4 now and while most of the other reflux symptoms have gone away, this one still remains. I bring this up because reflux can also be very uncomfortable and even painful when lying down and could wake him up. If reflux may be an issue, there are meds out there for infants with reflux. Other suggestions include elevating the mattress and keeping the child upright for 30 minutes after eating. Hope this helps!
 
I read something interesting a couple of years ago. Seems that kids of most single parents don't have the sleep issues that kids of couples have. The study's authors postulated that single parents simply couldn't keep up the rockings and other things that families can do with more than one adult.

Or their postulation is incorrect and the single parents brought their children into their beds w/ them and they all slept better?

We partially cosleep, nurse on demand and respond to our kids each time they wake up when not in our bed. Oh and dh and I both work outside of the home.

With our first, she didn't sleep through the night until she was well past 3yo! She had her own space in a crib (which she hated) and then we moved her to a bed at 18mo. The bed improved things a little but not all that much. She just needed reassurance in the middle of the night. We night weaned at about 2.5yo or so and she kept the same night waking habits, so it wasn't the nursing keeping her up.

With ds we did all the same things and he started sleeping through the night (most nights) at about 8wks. I did nothing that I didn't do w/ dd, I just think they are wired differently.

When in the trenches w/ dd, we tried lots of stuff (except CIO...just can't bring myself to go there) and none of it made a dent. Dh and I decided one day that she wouldn't go off to college w/o sleeping and that it would end eventually...and it did.

Hang in there!
 
Or their postulation is incorrect and the single parents brought their children into their beds w/ them and they all slept better?

We partially cosleep, nurse on demand and respond to our kids each time they wake up when not in our bed. Oh and dh and I both work outside of the home.

With our first, she didn't sleep through the night until she was well past 3yo! She had her own space in a crib (which she hated) and then we moved her to a bed at 18mo. The bed improved things a little but not all that much. She just needed reassurance in the middle of the night. We night weaned at about 2.5yo or so and she kept the same night waking habits, so it wasn't the nursing keeping her up.

With ds we did all the same things and he started sleeping through the night (most nights) at about 8wks. I did nothing that I didn't do w/ dd, I just think they are wired differently.

When in the trenches w/ dd, we tried lots of stuff (except CIO...just can't bring myself to go there) and none of it made a dent. Dh and I decided one day that she wouldn't go off to college w/o sleeping and that it would end eventually...and it did.

Hang in there!

I'm sure people do that as well...Although I want to say in this study, that was singled out, and these parents weren't co sleeping.

While there are certainly exceptions, I think many parents make their own trouble here. They get going with the rocking and soothing constantly at night, and then the child doesn't want to give it up, and the parents aren't strong enough to do the week or so that it takes for sleep training.

I had a bunch of friends who had kids around the same time as I did, and all but us were kept up for nights for months with their kids. They ended up doing the CIO method in the end...and it worked.

I'm just glad we did it at the beginning!
 
Oh, you poor thing! I can't even imagine being that sleep deprived for that long. My kids slept through the night at 7 weeks and 5 weeks, respectively. At the time, that felt like forever. :rotfl: I can't even imagine dealing with it as long as you have been. :hug: I hope you are able to find a solution soon.
 
That is very intersting. I was thinking something similar about working parents verse stay at homes. I wonder if a study has been done on that? It just seems to me that myself (both DH and I work FT) or my FT working friends don't have any sleep issues with our children, but my friends who are stay at home moms do? I wonder if any studies have been done on that?

LOL - I was quite convinced of the exact opposite, that my daughter wasn't sleeping because I was working FT as opposed to PT w/ her brothers.

Anyway, as my kids have gotten older, I realize that their sleeping or not sleeping as the case may be really didn't have anything to do with my parenting skills and everything to do with my children and their personalties and temperaments.
All methods, CIO, co-sleeping etc... will work with some kids but not with others. I think the main thing is that the child and parents learn how they can best get some sleep and that parents know that there is not one right or wrong way.
Good luck to everyone who is still not getting enough sleep and try to cherish those little ones. :cloud9: They grow so quickly.
 
I had to giggle when I read this...my 4 year old still doesn't sleep through the night. Sadly, I'm not joking about this. I will fully admit that I'm the one to blame for it. I went back to work when DD was 3 months old...and felt guilty about it. So I rocked her to sleep every night when I got home from work. She never learned to put herself to sleep. I tried the Ferber method several times but it never seemed to work for me (I should also mention that DH works 3rd shift so he was no help in this matter). DD would sleep through the night for a couple of days and then go right back to waking up 2-3 times a night. She stopped the bottle at 9 months so it wasn't like she was getting up to nurse/drink a bottle. She was just UP (and screaming)! Eventually, I just gave up hope of ever getting a good night sleep. Her latest issue is that 1) she goes to bed very late (IMO) and 2) if she goes to bed in her own bed...at some point during the night...she is running down to my room with some crazy question...or if I don't wake up, she just climbs in bed with me. I have tried countless times to get her into bed by 8:30pm. Never happens. I have tried reading to her in her bedroom, I've tried ignoring her, I've tried letting her fall asleep downstairs and then carrying her to her room. We tried every kind of relaxing nighttime routine. All that being said...I've now just excepted that 1) I'm a person who requires a lot of sleep and 2) DD is not and we will never agree on that issue :rotfl:
 
You have my utmost empathy.
Our dd (almost 2) has slept through from 7 weeks. As previously mentioned everyone's parenting is very different and as long as the children are well cared for and loved then that is all that matters in the long run. They will eventually sleep through. What is important though is how it affects your daily life and being a zombie through chronic sleep deprivation can really be a problem. If you are happy to keep getting up in the night over and over so be it but I gather from your post that you are not. I certainly couldn't manage it (bad enough for a few nights if she is unwell etc).

I have to disagree with some people who have said that it is normal for a child of 12 months to not sleep through (don't shoot me anyone these are only my opinions). Except as a result of some medical conditions, children of this age who wake up repeatedly have either not learned (and it is all learned behaviour) to settle themselves or they are waking out of habit for comfort in the form of milk, cuddles etc. If that is the case then you need to make it uninteresting for your child to wake up, no rocking, feeding.

Straight CIO is not something I have ever used but I have used controlled crying when she has formed a bad habit after a holiday or the like (but even I have cracked when I thought she was going to make herself sick).

The key is to be consistant and as others have pointed out persistent. It may take a week or more but children are not stupid and they will process that this is now the routine and they will adapt to it (for everyones benefit).
I do also explain to her if things are going to change which also seems to work.

The only other thing that I can think of that might not be helping is if your child is getting too much sleep in the day time which may be one of the reasons for night waking. At 12 months they need no more than 2.5 hours sleep a day and shouldn't really sleep later than about 2.30pm if you want them to go down at 7-30ish. Just a thought.

What ever you decide, good luck with it.

Sorry to waffle, even my husband just asked if I was still writing the same reply!!!!!:rotfl:
 
First of all, you have my sympathies. I know in my family that if I don't sleep, I am a horrible person and I make everyone around me miserable. I would run, not walk to get the book Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child by Marc Weissbluth, M.D. It is the book that I always include in my baby shower gifts. You can find it at both B&N, Borders and Target. I will tell you, however, that both parents have to be on the same page for whatever method you agree to follow, or it will not work. Even though my children are 9, 6 and 4, I still use it for occasional reference because he has sleeping advice up through adolesence. I particularly like this book, because he discuss studies on sleep patterns in children and you understand the reasons behind his advice. Good luck.
 
I'm sure people do that as well...Although I want to say in this study, that was singled out, and these parents weren't co sleeping.

While there are certainly exceptions, I think many parents make their own trouble here. They get going with the rocking and soothing constantly at night, and then the child doesn't want to give it up, and the parents aren't strong enough to do the week or so that it takes for sleep training.

I had a bunch of friends who had kids around the same time as I did, and all but us were kept up for nights for months with their kids. They ended up doing the CIO method in the end...and it worked.

I'm just glad we did it at the beginning!

Um, I have the worst sleeper I've ever heard of, and I'm a HUGE advocate of the CIO/sleep-training method. The closest thing we've ever had to success was as a result of CIO. Granted, DD has never even come close to sleeping through. However, thanks to CIO, DD now goes to bed in her own bed awake. It doesn't make a difference in terms of nightwaking, but it does make a difference at bedtime. Unfortunately, no amount of CIO during the night has ever made DD stop the nightwaking. We tried it for months during the night and eventually we gave up. CIO for 2 hours, sleep for 45 minutes, CIO again for 2 hours over and over gets old after a while. It never got better during the night. It did, however, get better at bedtime, so at least there's that.
 
I feel your pain girl ;) . Been there, done that, unfortunately. I hate to say it but some kids are just that way. My DS was an issue for a few months but after that was a great sleeper, my DD on the other had was not so good. She was a preemie so she had to be woken up every 3 hours to eat and I just think it screwed the poor girl up for life. She is now almost 7 and she still has nights when she won't sleep through. On the bright side when she does there isn't much that will wake her, but when she doesn't it is not fun. I am not a happy Mommy if I don't get my sleep :sad2: . All I can say is give him as little attention as possible when he wakes up, so it's not a satisfying social time for him, and switch off with your DH if you can. My DH and I would do that so one night I had to deal with her, the next he did. That way at least I wasn't woken up every night. If you wake up anyway and have a hard time not getting up or getting back to sleep (which is my problem) invest in a good pair of ear plugs, they work wonders :lmao: :lmao: !
 
Ilana will be 14 mos in a few days and still doesn't sleep all night. She did for about a week, then fractured her leg and not since then (3 wks ago). I think hers is just out of habit (she does sleep w/ me btw) so last night I just ignored her. :) She woke up and tried to climb on me and give mer her cup and get me to hold her and I just layed there like I was asleep. I wouldn't have ignored her if she was crying/screaming, but she was just unsure what to do I think. She rolled around for a while and went back to sleep till right before 8. We'll try that again tonight I guess. Evan didn't sleep through till 18 mos and then he just did it one night on his own and slept all night since then. He did end up losing a # from sleeping through the night though and we had to up his daytime calories.
 
Are you nursing? This was the reason my DD didn't sleep through until 18 months (when she weaned) (at Disney btw). At 29 months she still isn't the best sleep, but sleeps through most nights. If she doesn't sleep through DH either gets her and sticks her in our bed and she goes back to sleep, or just puts his hand on her back and she goes to sleep.

I'm convinced some kids just aren't sleepers.
 
Try finding this book,and read it,you'll get ideas....it saved me and ds who's now 14,and doesn't sleep well still,it's his nature:confused3
Sorry- the title is 'Nighttime parenting'(I think) by William Sears,MD
also i think he wrote the 'baby Book'
anything written by him is useful in this category....
my kids are older,and we coslept when they needed it,3/4 of the world does it,so we figured it would work ok for us,and it did! at 8 and 14,I'm happy to report,that both our kids sleep all night in their own rooms,and I sometimes miss my little 'cuddle bears!':rotfl:
technically,they were both more independent by age 3-ish,but,like all parenting,this too shall pass....:thumbsup2
 
I have not read the entire thread. I avoided this thread for a long time. DS#1 slept through the night before he was a month old. DS#3 slept through the night by the time he was 6-7 months old, I think--give or take a month or two. But DS#2 is about to turn 4 and STILL does not sleep through the night. I really think it is just him, a personality thing. I feel for you and hope that something will "train" your child to sleep through the night.

However, I learned it was about learning how I could just get some sleep--especailly since less than a year later I was pregnant again. Letting him come into our bed works wonderfully. I can still sleep and his waking isn't a problem. The older he gets though, the more he can handle his own waking. My oldest sister had the same issues with her oldest son too. He finally started sleeping through the night at around age 10 or 11. You're not alone.

We tried CIO method for a month. He did not get fed at night. We cut the cuddling. There was no theory that we did not try; no book went unread. Our Pedi finally told me, it is probably just a personality thing. There was no medical condition. And he is a very difficult child with a tempermental personality--in all things.
 
I read through all the replies and I can honestly tell you there is no solution. Your child will outgrow the night waking when he's ready and there's not much you can do till then. It is not a result of your parenting, the fact that you have a husband, any flaws in your bedtime routine, nursing, etc., so don't feel guilty or blame yourself. It is just your child. I speak from experience. This will be long, but hopefully it will help you, and all the other sleepless moms, in some way.

My daughter, who is now almost 4yo and sleeps 11-12 hours every night, was the world's worst sleeper until she was 2.5yo. Every night from birth to 3.5 months, I put her down to sleep in her own bed at the same time. She was awake when she went into her bed, even as a newborn, and would fall asleep on her own. Around 6 or 7 weeks old she started sleeping longer chunks from say 8pm-11pm, feeding, back to sleep at 11:15pm-3am, woke for a feeding, back to sleep by 3:15 and slept till 7:30am. This lasted till 3.5 months and then for absolutely no reason whatsoever, she started waking up every 45 minutes - 2 hours, screaming hysterically. She had no reflux issues, I was nursing and hadn't changed my diet in any way, nothing we could think of. The ped went over everything with us and couldn't find an explanation either. My husband is also a physician and was at a loss, as were his collegues.

At 5 months things were so bad that I spent many a night sleeping with her on my chest in our rocking chair, which I had never previously rocked her in, and if I stopped moving the chair she'd wake up and start screaming. I was exhausted, and even though I'm married, my husband does not get up overnight with our kids, so it was all on me.

At 8 months old, after trying everything else (Ferber, No-Cry Sleep Solution, Happiest Baby on the Block, etc.) we did CIO. For 3 weeks straight I didn't respond to her nighttime wakings, but, just like your son, she was cry for literally hours on end until she vomited. I'd go in, change her sheets, put her back in the bed, and the cry till she vomited resumed. This went on literally all night for 3 weeks, with her never falling asleep the entire night. Oh, and she also stopped falling asleep on her own at that point, probably because she now associated the crib with crying and vomiting.

After 3 weeks we were at the ped's office for her 9 month check up and told her our progress and her advice at that time was to give up because Madison had more willpower than us and she was going to outlast us. We were all exhausted and I knew she was right, I was on the verge of caving in and bagging the CIO anyway, so we stopped. I brought her into our bed and we all got some sleep.

She still didn't sleep through the night, but at least when she woke up, there was no crying because mommy was right there. She'd move over so she was touching me and go back to sleep. She also started night-nursing again, which I didn't initially want to go back to, but I was desparate for sleep and I could sleep while she nursed in bed so all was well.

Oh, and I want to add, she never went to sleep nursing at night, even as a newborn. I always waited around 30 minutes before putting her to sleep as I read that if a baby had time to digest first, they'd sleep better. Clearly it wasn't true for my daughter, but the result was that she was going to sleep without nursing, so that was not the problem for her.

We tried CIO again, along with all the other methods, at 11 months, and again no luck so we gave up again.

At 14 months I was done with the night-nursing and ready to try again to get her to sleep on her own. We bought her a toddler bed as she hated the crib and liked our bed so we thought we'd give it a try. She did like the bed more, but still woke up between every 45 minutes and 2 hours. I did break her of the night nursing around that time though, but I had to do it on my own. My husband tried getting up with her a few times, but night wakings just aren't his thing so that was that.

Her ped suggested bringing her to the sleep clinic at Children's National Medical Center so at 16 months that's what we did. They had no advice we hadn't heard/tried before, but they did say some kids just wake up at night for seemingly no reason and they grow out of it. Great, just what we wanted to hear.

The one thing they did suggest was to move further away from her each night waking. At that point she would wake up overnight, come to our bed, we'd walk her back to her bed and sit there while she fell asleep or just pull her into our bed. So they said to walk her back to bed and sit with her as long as it took for her to fall asleep each waking for a week, preferably with a hand on her back or touching her in some way and time it. After a week we should remove the hand from her back, or whatever, a few minutes before she would normally be asleep. Then make it longer and longer every few days until I was just sitting next to her bed as she went back to sleep. Then move further away from the bed gradually following the same plan until I was at the doorway to her room. The idea was that if she got used to going back to sleep with me just standing in the doorway, then she'd be able to do it on her own.

Well, I tried that for 2 months and I was purely exhausted. I never made it as far as the doorway cause she'd break out in screams, but I was able to get several feet away from her bed. When I realized that after 2 months I still hadn't made it to the door, I gave up. She came back in our bed when she woke up at night.

At 19 months I bought an inflatable toddler bed and put it on the floor next to my bed. She slept happily on it all night from 19 months till we moved at 26 months. She still woke up periodically, but she'd just feel around for my hand and hold onto a finger till she fell back to sleep. And she was finally out of my bed so that was a big plus too!

We put her in her own room when we moved (she was just over 2yo) and it was a mistake cause the night waking was back to me going in and out of her room, only now I was pregnant and her room was on a different floor than ours. Well we decided to do CIO again, though she wasn't really crying this time around, but she ended up pushing down the baby gate in her room, climbing the stairs and falling down the whole flight in the middle of the night while trying to get in our bed. That was it. We said it wasn't worth her possibly getting hurt next time (luckily she was completely fine), so we brought her bed upstairs in our room and all was well. She woke up at night, but we told her that if she wanted to stay in our room then she needed to stay in her own bed and that worked. She was 2yo, 5 months. Soon after that she was sleeping all night!!!

Now, at nearly 4yo, she sleeps in her own bed all night long, though she does optionally share a room with her brother. Fine with me as they both coexist in there without complaint. Oh, and just to add, she never had a night light (neither of my kids did actually) and my husband is a light freak so all of the bedrooms get black at night, so not even a crack of light can get in.



Now, the reason I can tell you without a doubt that it is the child's personality, not parenting, is that my son was born when my daughter was 2yo,5 months. I did everything exactly the same with him as my daughter as a newborn. I was terrified he would be the same way, but didn't know how I could do anything differently with a newborn. In fact, he was born preterm and had severe jaundice, so I actually had to wake him up to feed him more frequently at night, plus he always fell asleep nursing. Always.

At 6 weeks old he was sleeping 6pm-6am with 1 feeding at 1am. By 3 months old he was sleeping 6-6 straight. And he was the one who used to fall asleep nursing, got night nursed like crazy, but he slept just fine. Plus, being preterm, 6 weeks was really young to sleep all night. Oh, and he did not like sleeping with us at all. He wanted his own bed from the start. The only time he woke up overnight was if he was sick or teething. And one other thing, this kid is addicted to nursing.

He's almost 17 months and I can't get him to stop no matter what. He still nurses before bed and naps. My daughter though, was down to once a day by this point (when she woke up in the morning, so nothing to do with sleep) and completely weaned soon after. My son shows no signs of being on his way to weaned.


So you see, 2 siblings, raised exactly the same way, for the most part, totally different. And what the above poster mentioned about her poor sleeper being a challenging child in all ways, that is my daughter as well. My son is a much happier, free-spirited child, but my daughter, well, she can be a handful and tempermental when she wants to be. She's outspoken and knows how to get what she wants, which is what she did with the sleeping, and years from now I think I'll be glad she has those qualities.

So you'll probably just have to wait it out or take him in your bed. He will not be there forever, I promise!
 
I have to totally agree with the others who have talked about their children with the sleep issues being more temperamental etc... as they grow older. I've often joked that if DD4 was my 1st child, she would be an only child.:rotfl:
Anyway, I hope we haven't scared the poor sleep deprived OP. As your child gets older, you will learn great ways to channel this strong-willed child. For example, my DD used that same determination in her dance classes, her self help skills and is starting to read because she said if her brothers could do it, she could too. :goodvibes
 


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