Once Upon A Time

[KrazyPete]

I always figured Dr. Whale was the whale in Pinocchio.

Personally, I've always dismissed this theory. All of our characters are people or at least human-like creatures capable of reason. To turn Monstro into a doctor seems too far-fetched. Also the name, it lacks any creativity. It would be like naming Dr. Hopper, Dr. Cricket instead. Maybe instead of Regina Mills, the mayor could have been Regina Witch? David Prince?

But then, during the marathon I noticed something in the "war council" scene. Gepetto is asked if he can make the wardrobe. He says that he and his son can and the camera pans down to a boy on the floor by his feet carving a wooden... WHALE! Maybe it's not so far-fetched after all.

Why does Marco have no son in Storybrooke? Is it because everyone's "happiness" has been taken away from them? Red was not the source of Granny's happines? That relationship seems to be intact. Where is Pinocchio?

 

[KrazyPete]

Just a couple other marathon observations...

I don't think Rumpel wants a child. He using the children to manipulate the royalty. The royal class puts a lot of emphasis on bloodline and the firstborn. Based on the sneak peek videos for this week one might be led to believe Rumple wants to fill the hole in his life from losing his own son. What if, the firstborn of the peasant class are conscripted into the King's army and it was under that law that his son was taken from him? Rumpel's "deals" regarding royal children would be the perfect revenge.

David's windmill, I thought it was just a modern yard ornament. Seeing it triggered a false memory in David because Katherine had told him the story of how he hated the windmill when they bought their Storybrooke house. But Rumpel said that it had been gathering dust "forever." Maybe it does have a fairy land tie-in, we just haven't seen it yet.

On that note, no one in Storybrook has any distant memories. Henry pointed this out to Emma. It came up again when Graham asked Mary Margaret how they had met. Why does Katherine have this recollection of the day she and David bought that house? Was that a fairly recent event?

 

[kellicb]

How do pregnant women in the fairy tale world know they are having a boy or a girl or twins? Charming thought Snow was having a boy but Snow knew it was a girl and had already named her. Cinderella told Rumpel that she was having twins and that she would have that knowledge seemed credible to him.

Cinderella made that up to trick Rumple into a new contract, she didn't know if she was having twins or not. Not sure about Snow/Rumple knowing Snow was having a girl, though. LOL

 

[LKFan]

Cinderella made that up to trick Rumple into a new contract, she didn't know if she was having twins or not. Not sure about Snow/Rumple knowing Snow was having a girl, though. LOL

I wondered about Snow and the gender of the baby as well.

For Cinderella, they made up the fact that she was having twins but the princes told Ella to tell Rumple that the doctor heard two heartbeats. Did they have stethoscopes back in fairy tale times?

 

[LKFan]

But then, during the marathon I noticed something in the "war council" scene. Gepetto is asked if he can make the wardrobe. He says that he and his son can and the camera pans down to a boy on the floor by his feet carving a wooden... WHALE! Maybe it's not so far-fetched after all.

Ohhh, good catch! I didn't notice that. Could Dr. Whale be Pinocchio?

Why does Marco have no son in Storybrooke? Is it because everyone's "happiness" has been taken away from them? Red was not the source of Granny's happiness? That relationship seems to be intact. Where is Pinocchio?

Who is Marco?

 

[LKFan]

David's windmill, I thought it was just a modern yard ornament. Seeing it triggered a false memory in David because Katherine had told him the story of how he hated the windmill when they bought their Storybrooke house. But Rumpel said that it had been gathering dust "forever." Maybe it does have a fairy land tie-in, we just haven't seen it yet.

On that note, no one in Storybrook has any distant memories. Henry pointed this out to Emma. It came up again when Graham asked Mary Margaret how they had met. Why does Katherine have this recollection of the day she and David bought that house? Was that a fairly recent event?

The entire story with Katherine seems odd. The windmill definitely has a story which is yet to be told. Obviously Regina (mis)guided David into Mr. Gold's shop. Was the windmill somehow planted? And, if David did see a windmill, how did that trigger a memory of a house that he's never seen? What did he suddenly remember if he has been in a coma for the past 28 years?

In FT times, David never married Katherine and we don't know how that relationship ended. Why does Katherine think she is married to David? At first I thought she was being set up by Regina but, at the party, when they talked about friendships, the two didn't seem to know each other well. Also, at the party, when David walks in, he is introduced to someone who says "nice to meet you." This was just after Katherine made a comment to the tone of "all of your friends are here."

 

[Zandy595]

Ohhh, good catch! I didn't notice that. Could Dr. Whale be Pinocchio?



Who is Marco?

Marco is Geppetto.

 

[LKFan]

Oh, one more thing. I rewatched the pilot and the wolf that stopped Emma's car didn't have a red eye. Hmmmm.

This Wikipedia site has some good info but I'm never sure about the accuracy of Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Once_Upon_a_Time_characters

Grumpy (Lee Arenberg) is one of the seven dwarfs who gave Snow White shelter while she was hiding from the Evil Queen. He was also a guard in a watchtower in Snow White and Prince Charming's castle. His Storybrooke counterpart is Leroy, the resident troublemaker, and the janitor at the hospital.

Actress Amy Acker has been announced in recent casting news to play a love interest for the character of Grumpy in an upcoming episode.

The Magic Mirror (Giancarlo Esposito) is a spirit imprisoned by the Evil Queen. (there is more in the link but it is a bit spoilerish so didn't want to post it just in case).

The Blue Fairy (Keegan Connor Tracy) is a character from Pinocchio. She creates the Red Quill, which helps Cinderella and Prince Thomas imprison Rumpelstiltskin. (Did we know that?) However, when it comes to magic, she cannot undo the work of Rumpelstiltskin.

Sneezy (Gabe Khouth) is one of the Seven Dwarfs. He suffers from hay fever. His Storybrooke counterpart is Mr. Clark. (who is Mr Clark?)

The Fairy Godmother (Catherine Lough Hagquist) is a character from Cinderella. Rumpelstiltskin kills her to obtain her magic wand just as she is about to turn Cinderella into a princess before the ball. (Didn't Rumple ask for a magic wand when he bargained with King George?)

King George (Alan Dale) is the adoptive father of the first Prince James. He gives Rumpelstiltskin the location of the Fairy Godmother in exchange for Rumpelstiltskin bringing him James' twin brother. (Did we see this or could it have been edited out?)

There are more spoilers about Hansel & Gretel and Beauty & the Beast but those episodes haven't aired so, if you want to read the spoilers, follow the link.

 

[SueM in MN]

Ohhh, good catch! I didn't notice that. Could Dr. Whale be Pinocchio?



Who is Marco?

But, keep in mind that the actor who plays Dr. Whale was seen in Fairytale Land, in the tavern where the Huntsman went before he was hired by the Evil Queen.

He made a comment about the Huntsman's companion (a wolf) and said pets didn't belong there. The Huntsman's wolf growled at him and he told the Huntsman to keep his pet away, because pets that growled at him ended up displayed on his wall.

 

[ellenmiele]

Do we know for sure that the FT flashbacks are all the same timeframe or could Cinderella have really had twins who are now Prince Charming/James and his brother? (or is that already obvious?)

 

[beattyfamily]

The Fairy Godmother (Catherine Lough Hagquist) is a character from Cinderella. Rumpelstiltskin kills her to obtain her magic wand just as she is about to turn Cinderella into a princess before the ball. (Didn't Rumple ask for a magic wand when he bargained with King George?)

NO, he asked for the whereabouts of the Fairy Godmother.

King George (Alan Dale) is the adoptive father of the first Prince James. He gives Rumpelstiltskin the location of the Fairy Godmother in exchange for Rumpelstiltskin bringing him James' twin brother. (Did we see this or could it have been edited out?)

YES, we saw it.

 

[SueM in MN]

Do we know for sure that the FT flashbacks are all the same timeframe or could Cinderella have really had twins who are now Prince Charming/James and his brother? (or is that already obvious?)

She was not acutally having twins. She had promised her first born to Rumplestiltskin. The story of twins was just a trick to lure him so they could capture him.
If she was old enough to be PC/J mother she would be a lot older than Cinderella. We did see them together in Fairy Tale and they were the same relative ages they are now.
Cinderella was still pregnant in Storybrook, so she was pregnant when the curse hit.

 

[KrazyPete]

Ohhh, good catch! I didn't notice that. Could Dr. Whale be Pinocchio?

Maybe, but I was actually thinking that we should look around Mary Margaret's classroom a little more closely.

 

[SueM in MN]

Maybe, but I was actually thinking that we should look around Mary Margaret's classroom a little more closely.

LOL- I was thinking the same thing.

 

[threeboysmom]

The entire story with Katherine seems odd. The windmill definitely has a story which is yet to be told. Obviously Regina (mis)guided David into Mr. Gold's shop. Was the windmill somehow planted? And, if David did see a windmill, how did that trigger a memory of a house that he's never seen? What did he suddenly remember if he has been in a coma for the past 28 years?.

I'm convinced that windmill is from Fairy Tale Land, but it hasn't appeared in any of the episodes YET. I believe it caused a spark of memory in him (just like the mobile captured him), so he automatically assumed it was from the memory Katherine planted inside him already.

I can't figure out how Katherine has pictures of the two of them together in Storybrooke when he's been in a coma all this time...

The Blue Fairy (Keegan Connor Tracy) is a character from Pinocchio. She creates the Red Quill, which helps Cinderella and Prince Thomas imprison Rumpelstiltskin. (Did we know that?) However, when it comes to magic, she cannot undo the work of Rumpelstiltskin.

Yes, we knew that.

Sneezy (Gabe Khouth) is one of the Seven Dwarfs. He suffers from hay fever. His Storybrooke counterpart is Mr. Clark. (who is Mr Clark?)

He's appearing in a future episode... might be the one on 1/8.

King George (Alan Dale) is the adoptive father of the first Prince James. He gives Rumpelstiltskin the location of the Fairy Godmother in exchange for Rumpelstiltskin bringing him James' twin brother. (Did we see this or could it have been edited out?)

So this clip of King Midas and King George came right before the Cinderella episode. Once Rumpel learns of the Fairy Godmother's location, he heads over there, zaps her., and takes her wand.

 

[threeboysmom]

My observations from watching the Marathon...

1) When Prince Charming is fighting off the Queen's men with his infant in his arms, she is wrapped in a white blanket with purple bows. You can see this same blanket when Emma unpacks her few belongings at Mary Margaret's house. I'm thinking it's going to have some significance later on since Emma still has it after all these years and the fact that they showed it.

2) The Toll Bridge in Storybrooke and the Troll Bridge in FairyTale Land seem to be in the same location in the woods. So I'm going to assume that Storybrooke is not on top of FairyTale World, but that Storybrooke IS FairyTale World just altered by the curse.

3) Why do Ashley & Shawn still remember their relationship after the curse and even go so far as naming their baby Alexandra (the name Prince Thomas picked for the baby back in FairyTale Land), but yet nobody else has any memories of their previous life?

4) For what it's worth, I don't believe the man in the bar scene with the Huntsman is Dr. Whale. The eyes weren't similar at all.

 

[Zandy595]

My observations from watching the Marathon...

1) When Prince Charming is fighting off the Queen's men with his infant in his arms, she is wrapped in a white blanket with purple bows. You can see this same blanket when Emma unpacks her few belongings at Mary Margaret's house.

2) The Toll Bridge in Storybrooke and the Troll Bridge in FairyTale Land seem to be in the same location in the woods. So I'm going to assume that Storybrooke is not on top of FairyTale World, but that Storybrooke IS FairyTale World just altered by the curse.

3) Why do Ashley & Shawn still remember their relationship after the curse and even go so far as naming their baby Alexandra (the name Prince Thomas picked for the baby back in FairyTale Land), but yet nobody else has any memories of their previous life?

4) For what it's worth, I don't believe the man in the bar scene with the Huntsman is Dr. Whale. The eyes weren't similar at all.

I didn't think so either.

 

[threeboysmom]

Personally, I've always dismissed this theory. All of our characters are people or at least human-like creatures capable of reason. To turn Monstro into a doctor seems too far-fetched. Also the name, it lacks any creativity. It would be like naming Dr. Hopper, Dr. Cricket instead. Maybe instead of Regina Mills, the mayor could have been Regina Witch? David Prince?

But then, during the marathon I noticed something in the "war council" scene. Gepetto is asked if he can make the wardrobe. He says that he and his son can and the camera pans down to a boy on the floor by his feet carving a wooden... WHALE! Maybe it's not so far-fetched after all.

Why does Marco have no son in Storybrooke? Is it because everyone's "happiness" has been taken away from them? Red was not the source of Granny's happines? That relationship seems to be intact. Where is Pinocchio?

NICE CATCH, Pete!!

So at least we know Dr. Whale IS from the story of Pinocchio and not from another fairy tale (ie., Beauty & Beast or Little Red Riding Hood). Yay!

Yeah, I'm confused on where Pinocchio is too... He should still be a little boy. Gepetto is the same age as he was during that war council meeting.

I don't know why Marco said he had no children. I'm sure they will explore this story further. I don't think it's bc of the curse because Ashley & Shawn (and Shawn and his dad) remember their relationship... so do Marco and Dr. Hopper. Weird.

I don't really care to know "What Happened to Frederick" -- I want an episode entitled "What happened to Pinocchio!!"

 

[KrazyPete]

The Toll Bridge in Storybrooke and the Troll Bridge in FairyTale Land seem to be in the same location in the woods. So I'm going to assume that Storybrooke is not on top of FairyTale World, but that Storybrooke IS FairyTale World just altered by the curse.

For what it's worth, I don't believe the man in the bar scene with the Huntsman is Dr. Whale. The eyes weren't similar at all.

Two scenes that I need to rewatch this week...

I didn't recognize the man in the bar as Dr. Whale either of previous times I saw that scene.

I do remember that the troll bridge was over a very deep chasm and I don't remember that from the Storybrooke scene. Are you basing your theory on the similarity of the terrain around the bridge?

Actually three scenes... I want to see the end of the mine episode again. I remember seeing Snow's glass casket thing but not the trees. I don't particularly like an underground world for fairy land but if there are underground trees I can see how one would come to that conclusion.

I prefer to think that the worlds are the same just made over by the curse. If the characters become aware of who they are then more of the fairy world that is all around them would be revealed. It's not so much hidden, as overlooked.

 

[threeboysmom]

Two scenes that I need to rewatch this week...

I didn't recognize the man in the bar as Dr. Whale either of previous times I saw that scene.

I do remember that the troll bridge was over a very deep chasm and I don't remember that from the Storybrooke scene. Are you basing your theory on the similarity of the terrain around the bridge?

No, not based on terrain because I do remember that very deep chasm as well and the Toll Bridge isn't that high... but I'm basing it on the fact that when David Nolan awoke from the coma, he knew exactly where this bridge was located in the woods, so it stands to reason that the Toll Bridge is in the same spot as the old Troll Bridge.