Omg!!

[disneyjunkie]

I am just sick over this. I also just watched the BOR interview with Carl Cameron, and my stomach is in knots. Do I really believe what is being said about Sarah Palin? No, I don't, but just the fact that her own campaign staff would say these things about her to most likely take the heat off of them for running a horrible campaign, makes me want to vomit. It's hard enough to fight your opponents let alone your own side. I guess it's a woman thing, as basically the same thing happened to Hillary. My respect for women in politics just went up exponentially.

So what to do now? What does one believe? Who do you believe? How do you know what you're being told is truth? This goes for both sides, Dems and Republicans? Do we really know our candidates, or do we know what the media want us to know?

I think from this point forward I will never again believe one thing I see written or said about a political person unless I hear it from their own mouths. I'm so disgusted

Does this mean you don't/ won't believe anything negative reported about Obama?

 

[TeresaNJ]

Does this mean you don't/ won't believe anything negative reported about Obama?

You know, I thought long and hard about this. It is extremely easy to get sucked into believing everything you want to believe about your side, as well as to believe everything you are being told about the opposition. When you only have what you see, hear and read to base decisions on, it is very hard to make an informed decision. I am so angry at our media right now. It is frightening when you think about it. We really don't know who our leaders are anymore because we can't trust what is being reported.

I would not have voted for Obama for several reasons regardless of what I "heard" about him, the main ones being that I don't agree with his plans regarding taxes, defense, and social programs to name a few. His positions on these I have heard from his own mouth, so I do think I made an informed decision there. As far as what is reported by the media, etc., until I see or hear it with my own eyes, then no, I am not going to believe it.

I'm a relative novice when it comes to politics. I was one of those "what will be will be" kind of citizens, thinking that what I think or my vote doesn't really matter, that we really don't have any control, so sometimes I voted, sometimes I didn't. I really got involved at the end of the Clinton era and started to pay attention, because I thought our country was starting to go down the tubes morality wise, not so much because of the Lewinsky thing, but just everything in general, such as the blatant sexualization of TV, movies, magazines, as well as what I was hearing from my school teacher brother-in-law, who teaches middle school. Some of the things my daughter and her friends told me several years ago when they were still in high school about what some of the kids were doing still makes my hair stand on end.

I'm just really sad. Not so much because McCain lost, sad because I don't know who or what to believe anymore. When your own side attacks you, well then, I guess you truly are on your own. My hope for Sarah Palin is that she remains the strong woman she is and speaks out against these bozos. I also hope Senator McCain speaks out against them. I hope these people never have the opportunity to work for a campaign again.

I also hope that people from both sides look at themselves and the way we've contributed to the feeding-frenzy type atmosphere, myself included. I absolutely hated how President Bush was called W, shrub, Mr Bush, etc. by his opposers. I hated how people would say he is not their president. I felt that no matter how much you disagree with him, he is still your president and deserves respect. When you hear constant belittling of a person you admire, it makes you lash out at the opposition, hence my very vocal belittling of Obama. It's childish but makes one feel good temporarily.

So, dj, to answer your question after this very lengthy post, sorry for that, LOl, yes, I will not believe or judge President-elect Obama on things I've read or heard, unless it comes from the horse's mouth. I hope everyone will do the same.

 

[dvcgirl]

I am just sick over this. I also just watched the BOR interview with Carl Cameron, and my stomach is in knots. Do I really believe what is being said about Sarah Palin? No, I don't, but just the fact that her own campaign staff would say these things about her to most likely take the heat off of them for running a horrible campaign, makes me want to vomit. It's hard enough to fight your opponents let alone your own side. I guess it's a woman thing, as basically the same thing happened to Hillary. My respect for women in politics just went up exponentially.

So what to do now? What does one believe? Who do you believe? How do you know what you're being told is truth? This goes for both sides, Dems and Republicans? Do we really know our candidates, or do we know what the media want us to know?

I think from this point forward I will never again believe one thing I see written or said about a political person unless I hear it from their own mouths. I'm so disgusted

I know we voted on opposite sides, but I have to agree with you.

I really do think that you can chalk up a lot of this nastiness within the campaign to the fact that they lost badly, and really ran a terrible campaign. McCain was a weak presidential candidate who could never get his ideas across. He was really the third choice of the base.....Huckabee and Romney split the conservative vote paving a way to victory for McCain.

And Palin was clearly the pick of the party base, and probably not McCain's first choice.

Still, I think that the RNC is behind this thing too. I think that they've already made up their mind that they won't support her in a 2012 run. She'll bring too much baggage to the ticket from this campaign. And in all honesty, she'll rally the base again, but I don't think she'll win.

Having lived in Florida, it reminds me of that woman.....crap, can't think of her name, the one who was the Secretary of State in Florida during the whole recount thing. She tried to run for senate and the Bushes (Jeb in particular) did not support her run. I remembered....Katherine Harris. Anyway, she ran on her own, using a lot of her own money.....and lost.

I think this is a big mistake on the RNC's part though....this will make the base rally more around Palin. And I really don't think she has any intention of going away.

 

[TomLovesBecky]

I am just sick over this. I also just watched the BOR interview with Carl Cameron, and my stomach is in knots. Do I really believe what is being said about Sarah Palin? No, I don't, but just the fact that her own campaign staff would say these things about her to most likely take the heat off of them for running a horrible campaign, makes me want to vomit. It's hard enough to fight your opponents let alone your own side. I guess it's a woman thing, as basically the same thing happened to Hillary. My respect for women in politics just went up exponentially.

So what to do now? What does one believe? Who do you believe? How do you know what you're being told is truth? This goes for both sides, Dems and Republicans? Do we really know our candidates, or do we know what the media want us to know?

I think from this point forward I will never again believe one thing I see written or said about a political person unless I hear it from their own mouths. I'm so disgusted

But then you would have to overlook the fact that part of that HORRIBLE campaign was choosing her for VP.

 

[tekmom]

But then you would have to overlook the fact that part of that HORRIBLE campaign was choosing her for VP.

Don't forget that she was a mav-rick, too and she was going to "shake things up".

 

[TeresaNJ]

I know we voted on opposite sides, but I have to agree with you.

I really do think that you can chalk up a lot of this nastiness within the campaign to the fact that they lost badly, and really ran a terrible campaign. McCain was a weak presidential candidate who could never get his ideas across. He was really the third choice of the base.....Huckabee and Romney split the conservative vote paving a way to victory for McCain.

And Palin was clearly the pick of the party base, and probably not McCain's first choice.

Still, I think that the RNC is behind this thing too. I think that they've already made up their mind that they won't support her in a 2012 run. She'll bring too much baggage to the ticket from this campaign. And in all honesty, she'll rally the base again, but I don't think she'll win.

Having lived in Florida, it reminds me of that woman.....crap, can't think of her name, the one who was the Secretary of State in Florida during the whole recount thing. She tried to run for senate and the Bushes (Jeb in particular) did not support her run. I remembered....Katherine Harris. Anyway, she ran on her own, using a lot of her own money.....and lost.

I think this is a big mistake on the RNC's part though....this will make the base rally more around Palin. And I really don't think she has any intention of going away.

I don't know the reasonings behind this, all I know is that I think it is a terrible thing to do, and makes me want to just say "whatever" again regarding politics, and go back to ignorance is bliss.

 

[Buckalew11]

According to the Merriam Webster online dictionary, it is a word:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knowledgeability

Just as I figured.

knowledgeability- wisdom as evidenced by the possession of knowledge

Thanks, I figured it was a word I just didn't know or had never heard anyone else use. There's a lot of them.

There is a difference between making a dumb slip and not knowing about NAFTA and thinking Africa is a country! This woman was almost VP.

No wonder they kept her away from the press.

Go ahead and buy it. I don't. She's a poor run campaign's scapegoat IMHO. Obama's campaign was so much better and they do not people to start talking about that or pointing it out.

I agree, my choice is going to the White House in Jan. so why is this an issue now?

It is really strange Fox News seems to need a scapegoat. Here's an idea, focus on the future and ignore all the negative stuff. Geesh.

I hardly think it is Fox News that needs a scapegoat. It is the campaign staff. JMHO.

I am just sick over this. I also just watched the BOR interview with Carl Cameron, and my stomach is in knots. Do I really believe what is being said about Sarah Palin? No, I don't, but just the fact that her own campaign staff would say these things about her to most likely take the heat off of them for running a horrible campaign, makes me want to vomit. It's hard enough to fight your opponents let alone your own side. I guess it's a woman thing, as basically the same thing happened to Hillary. My respect for women in politics just went up exponentially.

I'm with you there. I'm really ticked over this one.

 

[TeresaNJ]

But then you would have to overlook the fact that part of that HORRIBLE campaign was choosing her for VP.

No, I don't have to overlook that. I really like her and think she has a great future in politics. In my opinion, she is not the reason McCain lost. In fact, they did come very close to winning considering all the facts.

 

[dvcgirl]

No, I don't have to overlook that. I really like her and think she has a great future in politics. In my opinion, she is not the reason McCain lost. In fact, they did come very close to winning considering all the facts.

I think initially she really helped him, but in the end she hurt him.

I think it was Palin and the Financial Meltdown (and McCain's reaction to it) that really lost him the White House.

 

[shasess]

All I can say is thank goodness!!!

 

[TeresaNJ]

For those of you who are still delighting in tearing down Sarah Palin, there is one thing to remember. The difference between the Obama campaign and the McCain campaign is the fact that while Obama and especially Biden made MANY gaffes, their campaign defended them to the hilt, as did the media. Apparently the McCain campaign staffers have decided to go the way of the media and join in the bashing. I seriously doubt Sarah Palin would have gotten as far as she did if she was anywhere near as uneducated as her critics make her out to be.

 

[Buckalew11]

But then you would have to overlook the fact that part of that HORRIBLE campaign was choosing her for VP.

well, it was a terrible pick in your eyes and in the eyes of many. Listening to the media talk about her and hearing people rip her a new one, I'd say a bad choice also...until I hear her talk about her beliefs from her own POV and not from someone and how they interpret them. She's a conservative Christian. So am I. So I understand where she is coming from on a lot of the issues. If you are a Republican and not that conservative, I am sure she is so far right that it makes one cringe.
I said all along that McCain should go with someone who thinks like he does and not pander to the right, like he did. He had the conservative vote in my book---unless they'd went for Ron paul or someone, which I doubt they would have. Most conservative Christians that I know of weren't voting Obama anyway period so McCain could have been safe with someone more in the middle. Oh well, he didn't ask me and it is over now.

It is all over excepting for the "throwing under the bus".

 

[TeresaNJ]

I think initially she really helped him, but in the end she hurt him.

I think it was Palin and the Financial Meltdown (and McCain's reaction to it) that really lost him the White House.

I don't think so, but that is a differing of opinions. We'll never really know. At this point it really doesn't matter. It's just a shame for the voting public that we get our "knowledge" of our candidates from late night tv entertainment, editorials in print, and opinion shows.

 

[DawnCt1]

I sure hope Fox just isn't picking on the easiest scapegoat target (a "dingbat" woman) to make themselves feel better.

I am an Obama supporter and no fan of Palin but I have a hard time believing she didn't know Africa is a continent.

They are reporting on the back biting and in fighting of the McCain campaign. The "new comer" didn't fit their template. The campaign staff ran a lousy campaign and now they are looking for a scapegoat. I hate to say it, but I am guessing that there are "women" behind this. This, unfortunately is female behavior at its worst.

 

[TeresaNJ]

They are reporting on the back biting and in fighting of the McCain campaign. The "new comer" didn't fit their template. The campaign staff ran a lousy campaign and now they are looking for a scapegoat. I hate to say it, but I am guessing that there are "women" behind this. This, unfortunately is female behavior at its worst.

Don't you know it. We're our own worst enemy.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

I have a friend who thinks Africa is a country, too. She also thinks they speak "African" there. And she's been to Tanzania and Kenya. My friend isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she's a very nice person.

I feel bad for Sarah Palin, because it does appear she's being thrown under the bus. I don't like her politics, but she doesn't deserve this from the people who asked her to run.

I always felt she was a publicity stunt, as the reporter said, their "Hail Mary" pass. McCain knew he was taking a risk, and thought it was worth it. Honestly, I wouldn't have been surprised if McCain had won, if sometime before he took office, Palin stepped down and they put someone else in there.

 

[DawnCt1]

I think that the leaking of these stories at this point is evidence of the Republican Machine throwing Sarah under the bus. They know that they'll never win with her, and they probably fear that the base is a bit *too* fond of her. They're trying to make her go away......

It not the "Republican Machine", its not The RNC, it is the McCain Campaign and some disgruntled employees who have decided to form a circular firing squad in an effort to exonerate themselves from their own lousy campaign.

No, she's not in the White House. But if I got one vibe from Sarah, it's that she's ambitious and she wants more. That's completely fine.....but I think that the leaking of these stories *by* the campaign *to* FOX NEWS of all networks is no coincidence.....no sir. Fox News is the conduit to the Conservative Base. They're sure as heck not watching any other station.

Listen to what they're saying.....now *they're* saying she didn't know that Africa was a continent. They're saying that she's difficult to work with....a diva.....not knowledgeable enough.

Make no mistake about it.....this is the RNC getting the message out that "Sarah isn't our girl" anymore.

This story has been widely disseminated in the press. Fox News is just reporting on what others are reporting on; leaks from the McCain Campaign, NOT the RNC

Well, I think that the reality is that the Base didn't really want McCain. The Conservative primary votes were split between Romney and Huckabee.....leaving McCain with the majority.

So you'd think that McCain would have chosen one of those two, but I think they feared pissing off either the Romney supporters or the Huckabee supporters. Then he was trailing in the polls and they decided to try and pull in the disgruntled women Hillary supporters.......and so Palin was brought in.

And he got more than he every wanted.

But I do think it's really quite sucky for the McCain campaign to be leaking all of this stuff *one* day after this thing is over. It's pretty crappy if you ask me.....and will likely rally the base even *more* behind her.

I agree, it is "sucky", but they are trying to elevate themselves of being worthy of working on the "next" campaign and creating a scapegoat. I wouldn't hire them to empty my trash. They actually fired a male campaign worker, (can't remember his name) because he said there was no truth to the leaks, it was the result of infighting, and he defended Palin. John McCain personally hired him back.

With regard to McCain tapping Romney; I think that there was too much "ill will" there. Romney was the better candidate when compared to McCain, I think. His conservative values were part of his personality. He didn't need to "think" about it. Huckabee sabotaged Romney's campaign, and I think that if Romney runs in the future, we can "count on" Huckabee to show up again. He needs to stick to his new television career and forget politics.

There is a difference between making a dumb slip and not knowing about NAFTA and thinking Africa is a country! This woman was almost VP.

No wonder they kept her away from the press.

I will be happy to measure her "gaffes" up against Bidens and Obamas, any day. It was Biden that they kept away from the press, locked in the bathroom and managed on the press line. Not Palin.

I think initially she really helped him, but in the end she hurt him.

I think it was Palin and the Financial Meltdown (and McCain's reaction to it) that really lost him the White House.

I think it was the Financial Meltdown that hurt McCain. If he returned to Washington, and then returned to the campaign and said, "I can't vote for this bailout", he would have won the election. Exit polls show that Palin was a net plus.

 

[Jennasis]

I do feel bad that Palin is being thrown under the bus so obviously now, but it isn't unexpected. It feels nauseating that she at least put herself out there (along with her family) only to essentially be used up, exploited and discarded when she was no longer useful.

As the Republican backers were so fond of saying, it was MCCain running for the presidency, not Palin. So why does she get the blame for his failure?

 

[mirmartinez]

Politics is a nasty business. As a woman, I am ok with her mistakes being aired. I believe if she was man, she would be in the same position.
The scapegoat thing is not new and it was very predictable. I am sure Governor Palin, knew this could happen if they lost.

 

[TeresaNJ]

Politics is a nasty business. As a woman, I am ok with her mistakes being aired. I believe if she was man, she would be in the same position.
The scapegoat thing is not new and it was very predictable. I am sure Governor Palin, knew this could happen if they lost.

From her own campaign? No, that is not predictable. Would Obama's campaign have done this if he had lost? Would they? No, I don't think so. I'm okay with mistakes being aired too, when they actually happened.