OKW DVC flag "SHREDDED" at hospitality center!

JerJan

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I have a picture of the DVC flag at the hospility center at OKW, it's shredded....I can't believe that this is actually hanging up....what a disgrace! As an owner of DVC I am embarrassed to say the least. We did bring this to the attention of April at the DVC sales office in SSR, now let's see how long it takes to replace it!

**I am unable to post my picture...if someone can help I would appreciate it!**
 
Hopefully they will consider that a priority. Thank you for bringing it to their attention. Luckily my 86 year old mother is not there. She would have taken it down immediately and handed it over to them.
 
While I hate to see any flag neglected, we are talking about a DVC logo flag, not the Stars & Stripes, correct? Unattractive to see it tattered, yes, but I wouldn't call it a major priority.
 
Are you kidding me??? No it's not the "STARS & STRIPES" but it REALLY looks like CRAP hanging up there!! Would you fly a shredded flag in front of your home??? Probably not. It's obviously been like that for a VERY LONG time so apparently it's NOT a priority to anyone.....NICE!
 

although I agree it should be taken care of, I would think the proirities like room quality and other things should be given the first priorities. If it looks bad, then they could take it down. Maybe you should have also told the people at the resort . Then maybe they could send somebody out to take it down. Telling them at the sales office might not do much good, because they don't see it and often won't need to address the issue with members staying at the resort. They aren't on that particular DVC property so they may not worry much about it.
 
Well I have to admit that I have never noticed.

(And I can't imagine getting this worked up about what is basically ADVERTISING)
 
Actually, depending on the quality of materials that goes into making a flag, one can go from serviceable to tattered in a matter of weeks. And I'd be real surprised if the DVC folks have a supply of flags on hand, meaning they have to be special ordered. If that's the case, it could take a couple of months or more to get said flag meaning a tattered flag becomes even more ragtag. I agree with rogerram that contacting the manager at OKW would be the best idea since it would fall under his or her responsibility. With literally thousands of other details to work, I suspect this one may have simply slipped by, or as explained above, maybe they're in the process of acquiring a new one. paw:
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again....OKW is a bad place to stay. You should not waste your valuable points at this terrible resort! ;) We were there last week and I honestly didn't even notice the flag was tattered. We sat at the HH and waited for the bus for a while gazing around too. I did however notice how wonderfully clean and in excellent working order our 1 bedroom was. That really was my priority.
 
OK.....Let's not say that I'm "WORKED UP" let's just say disappointed. I will be posting my trip report with photos of the room from HE-- that we were given at OKW this past weekend (as soon as I can figure out how to post them). What a sight!! Unfortunately, this is the kind of response that I should have expected. Most owners (unfortunately) seem to have the attitude of "Oh it's not that big of a deal!" Of course with the flag your right.....but it seems that when you add up the continual complaints about maintenance and housekeeping as a whole at ALL of the DVC resorts, this is an ongoing issue that needs to be addressed. When I invest a small fortune in cash I would expect that it be properly maintained. I know the flames will start now and so be it!

I did however notice how wonderfully clean and in excellent working order our 1 bedroom was. That really was my priority.

ALEXANDER you obviously were not in room #2525 where I was....glad that you had a nice room. :thumbsup2
 
JerJan~
I promise this is not a flame. lol You are absolutely correct that as owners at DVC paying a princely sum to be said owners, then we have a right to expect a certain level of service and an obligation to point out times when those expectations aren't met. In the case of the flag, you are again right that it should brought to their attention which you did. Was that particular episode enough to get "worked up" about? Probably not in most owners' minds, especially if they didn't see it to begin with. Which brings me to my first point. There are lots of owners out there who don't find any fault on their trips, or if they do, to THEM they are minor issues which don't detract from the value of their DVC purchase. For example, we've been three times to two different resorts and haven't found a thing to complain about. Perhaps there were some minor things, but if so, we didn't notice them. Thus, labeling "most owners" as being "unfortunately" lax in pointing out maintenance and service issues is a generalization that could only be solved by every owner agreeing on set criteria as to what constitutes poor maintenance, housekeeping, CM training, etc. Yes, some cases are obvious (dirty towels in the floor when checking in is one complaint I've heard), but many are not (tattered flag). In other words, to quote Paul Simon, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor." At any rate, if there is a problem during a vacation, then one should absolutely bring it to the attention of the manager.

Second, you indicate that you really weren't worked up when the opposite is true. Using all caps for some words indicates intensity with emails and postings as I'm sure you know, as does the use of multiple question marks, words like "crap" (also capitalized), italics, underlining, and the use of sarcasm. Your intent seems to be either enlist us in joining your crusade or alienate us if we don't. Thus, your entreaty "I know the flames will start now and so be it!" implies you're inviting conflict.

Actually, I hope it doesn't. We should be responsible owners, caring owners, and desiring that we receive quality service whenever we see it lacking. Perhaps in the future, those of us who might overlook something that should be corrected can make a point of civilly notifiying a CM about the situation to make sure the next owner doesn't face the same problem. That way, no one has to get worked up about anything. ;) paw:
 
I admit, there were some pulls in the carpet and a small stain on the couch during our last 1 bedroom stay at OKW in December. Other than that the room was in very good condition. Some soap and water on my part took care of the small stain on the couch (I think it was cola). For some reason, I didn't get worked up about it, and I didn't see a need to call housekeeping, I simply wiped it off. The carpet appeared to be pretty new, even new carpets can have pulls and snags. I also didn't get worked up about the carpet, I enjoyed my vacation instead. Silly me. ;)
 
Sorry, I did think you were referring to the stars and stripes. JerJan, I think we all have a responsibility to point out these types of things if we expect them to get fixed. You can still enjoy your vacation but the only way to keep these places up to our expectations is to point things like this out that may for one reason or another go un noticed. If I can, I will do like Chuck S and make the fix but if I can't, I am going to let someone know so it does get addressed. After all, it is my home. :)
 
We did have a wonderful one bedroom last week. The only problem was when we checked in and were told it was ready (9:15 AM) we went to the room and the previous guests had decided to return to the room after they had checked out and had breakfast and after the full cleaning to take showers (not sure why their keys still worked, but when ours were issued theirs stopped working, when they went to put things in their car, they couldn't get back in the room).

Oh well! We put our luggage in the car and went to MGM. One of the maintenance people put in a call to housekeeping and the front desk to let them know what had happened and so the villa could be re-cleaned. No big! We were lucky to almost have it ready by 9:15 anyways! We returned about 2:30 and all was perfect.

Reaction and perception are everything. When there was some mold on the railing of our balcony at BCV last summer, I sprayed it with some bleach and washed it off. Nothing that couldn't be handled.
 
JerJan - from your posts you sound like you had an awful time, did you bring the flag issue and the room issue to the attention of the resort??? Did they try to rectify the room problems???
 
DVC encourages everyone to fill out a customer survey after each stay. Any issues should be noted. If one person comments on the cleanliness of the room it won't get much attention, you can't please everyone. They do however look for patterns and can make adjustments as needed. If certain buildings or sections are always mentioned they can correct the staffing problem. Since as in any hotel cleaning staff is probably assigned to a specific floor or building the same rooms would be unsatisfactory more often than others. This they can fix they can not fix comments from this board that the rooms are always dirty, we must be more specific, dates and room numbers sent to the appropriate people. Just MHO!
 
Sleepdog25 wrote:
Thus, labeling "most owners" as being "unfortunately" lax in pointing out maintenance and service issues is a generalization that could only be solved by every owner agreeing on set criteria as to what constitutes poor maintenance, housekeeping, CM training, etc.

Or perhaps having some common sense would help. This was an obvious flag problem, pretty hard to miss in my opinion, but I must pay more attention to detail than the average owner. By what I saw at OKW in "my room #2525" apparently a lot of people don't pay attention to details. I wasn't there seeking out problems by the way, these were "obvious" things:

Like gum on the floor of the closet, paint on the floor between the closet and refridgerator, dust so thick on the blow dryer that it was obvious it hadn't been cleaned in years (no kidding), the cold water faucet was bent and just spins around, you had to get it exactly in the right position to turn it off, curtains that didn't fit the windows (one was at least 1/8 smaller than the other and they weren't hung properly, no working outside light (entrance door), the light over the little table would brighten and dim on it's own.

**Yes, all of these things were immediately brought to managements attention because we didn't want the next person checking in to have the same problems. These were all livable problems and we asked for nothing and expected nothing.....we just wanted them FIXED! They sent up someone to clean (it was cleaned, but not in an acceptable manner). We were then left with 3 helium filled balloons (one was a jack-o-lantern.....I'm not making that up) and a certificate stating that we had been named "Housekeeping Family Of The Week". What a joke.... I can almost bet that someone else has since been assigned that room and it's in the same condition as it was when we checked in. We only went to the DVC office on our last day because we wanted to make sure that these things were fixed, not to cause problems. It's our home (DVC properties) and we treat it as such, if their is a problem it needs to be taken care of.**
 
Alexander said:
We did have a wonderful one bedroom last week. The only problem was when we checked in and were told it was ready (9:15 AM) we went to the room and the previous guests had decided to return to the room after they had checked out and had breakfast and after the full cleaning to take showers (not sure why their keys still worked, but when ours were issued theirs stopped working, when they went to put things in their car, they couldn't get back in the room).

Oh well! We put our luggage in the car and went to MGM. One of the maintenance people put in a call to housekeeping and the front desk to let them know what had happened and so the villa could be re-cleaned. No big! We were lucky to almost have it ready by 9:15 anyways! We returned about 2:30 and all was perfect.

Reaction and perception are everything. When there was some mold on the railing of our balcony at BCV last summer, I sprayed it with some bleach and washed it off. Nothing that couldn't be handled.


Uhm.. how would the maid that cleaned it after they checked out.. not have noticed there was still stuff in the room?? This really confuses me. :confused3
 
Piecey said:
Uhm.. how would the maid that cleaned it after they checked out.. not have noticed there was still stuff in the room?? This really confuses me. :confused3

As I understand it, the family checked out, and left the room at which time it was cleand by housekeeping.

Subsequently, the family came back and their keys still worked so they "re-used" the room.

That's how I read it anyway.
 
JerJan, I totally understand what you are saying about the flag & about the housekeeping issues you experienced last week. Your issues were similar to ones we have had on a few visits to OKW since October 2004. I have spoken to the Housekeeping Manager at OKW & finally last time in December 2005, I had a long chat withthe General Manager at OKW. As a member I find the lack of atention to detail unsatisfactory.
 
Thanks Judith...at least you seem to understand where I'm coming from.:)
 















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