Official WDW Marathon Weekend 2013 Thread

[Reep]

Here is the key to the track, just run fast enough that the centrifugal force will hold you on the bank. 60-70 mph should do it.

 

[buckeyecinderella]

Here is the key to the track, just run fast enough that the centrifugal force will hold you on the bank. 60-70 mph should do it.

Funny!

How much would you estimate the track to be, the portion we are running? If it really is uncomfortable to run I might just walk that portion, as I plan to run walk anyway. Though I know that strategy won't help those running straight through.

 

[buckeyecinderella]

Question about how the corrals work. If a runner is in the very back of corral D, for example, how does Disney keep D separated from E when the runners in each corral move closer to the start?

If I were one of the last runners in D to cross the starting line, how long after that would the front of E be crossing the start? Would there truly be a break between corrals? Should there? It seems like last year in the half, it was taking so long to get the runners in the corral before me to cross the starting line, that the start of my corral pretty much just merged into the end of the earlier corral with no break in between.

 

[cewait]

Funny!

How much would you estimate the track to be, the portion we are running? If it really is uncomfortable to run I might just walk that portion, as I plan to run walk anyway. Though I know that strategy won't help those running straight through.

I described the track above...

I think folks are not going to be enamored with the track once they see the track up close. The course modifications for bringing in the track will be we turn left into the MK parking lot at the point where the OLD 13 mile mark was. (just like the relay point last year and old, old half finish). So left into the lot, right to follow the parking lot perimeter road up to the track. We enter the track through the tunnel on the northwest side on the track. If you look at aerial photos, the tunnel is marked with trees.

Once inside the track, we make a hard turn left then right to get on pit road (my thoughts - it's hard to tell exactly). We follow the straight (or pit road) then would take the merge/slowdown lane around the track. I seem to recall this is angled in at a 1-3 degree slope for drainage. For this description I am calling the track a 3 turn track... we run through turns 3 and 2 in a clockwise fashion and as we approach turn 1, we will be coned up to the perimeter wall and exit the track through a maintenance gate onto the parking lot exit road. We will then cross the grassy area between the park exit road and Floridian Way and then onto Bear Island Road. Mile 9 will occur in the track.

I am expecting that we will have a photo op or 2 in the track that is Cars related

 

[cewait]

Question about how the corrals work. If a runner is in the very back of corral D, for example, how does Disney keep D separated from E when the runners in each corral move closer to the start?

If I were one of the last runners in D to cross the starting line, how long after that would the front of E be crossing the start? Would there truly be a break between corrals? Should there? It seems like last year in the half, it was taking so long to get the runners in the corral before me to cross the starting line, that the start of my corral pretty much just merged into the end of the earlier corral with no break in between.

based on the previous year's operation...

- The start of each corral is separated by 4 minutes. The time between the last runner and next corral seems to be a good 1-2 minutes... it depends on the corral and the folks in the corral. I know that I cannot see the previous coral's runners very well when my corral starts.

- The separation between corrals is mostly good. There will be a few runners who make the break and jump forward into the next corral as corrals are released. It is not many but I have also been caught up in the following corral when I was hanging back a little.

- Note that for the half last year there was even more time between the corrals - 6 minutes. But I think the half corrals were more densely packed so it would require additional time to clear them.

- I personally expect the start of the full to mirror the half this coming year with 6 minute intervals between starts. We are really running the half course for the first 8 miles and the course has a crowding issue as we cross the overpass at mile 1. The 6 minute interval helps there. Plus in 2013, we have a little additional time for to clear the back of the pack through MK. WDWM struggled to get all runners through Main Street prior to 9 am so the race did as much as they could to start the last runners at 6am or just after. Since we clear Main at mile 5.5 now, the pressure is off.

 

[buckeyecinderella]

Interesting, Coach Charles. I'm thinking about taking the strategy of starting way in the back of my assigned corral, unless I'm in the very last corral. I just want to try this for a change, and see if it makes for a more relaxed start so I don't go out too fast. Just want to take the first half or two thirds conservatively and I know in a race this long I've got to have a good plan. And in my 17 miler in a week and a half, I'll try your relentless forward momentum advice - might be my mantra as I still don't have one!

 

[John VN]

Interesting, Coach Charles. I'm thinking about taking the strategy of starting way in the back of my assigned corral, unless I'm in the very last corral. I just want to try this for a change, and see if it makes for a more relaxed start so I don't go out too fast. Just want to take the first half or two thirds conservatively and I know in a race this long I've got to have a good plan. And in my 17 miler in a week and a half, I'll try your relentless forward momentum advice - might be my mantra as I still don't have one!

In this year's half and full I was assigned corral C but started right in front of the balloon ladies. I had no desire to really race the events so it wasn't too bad passing all those ahead of me and that was many thousands of racers. Truly was relaxing back there before the start but it was a long, long, very long wait to start.

 

[cewait]

Interesting, Coach Charles. I'm thinking about taking the strategy of starting way in the back of my assigned corral, unless I'm in the very last corral. I just want to try this for a change, and see if it makes for a more relaxed start so I don't go out too fast. Just want to take the first half or two thirds conservatively and I know in a race this long I've got to have a good plan. And in my 17 miler in a week and a half, I'll try your relentless forward momentum advice - might be my mantra as I still don't have one!

Early in my running career I was very timid and would hang out at the back of the corral (along the back fence of my corral). This was also when we had a mass start so in effect I was starting with the front of the corral behind. Since we have started the wave starts and through a gaining personal comfort, I try to stay mid corral

***** actually, I try to line up just in front of the stupid speakers along the edge of the corrals so that when the corral compacts just pre race I move away from the noise - not right in front of the speaker ******

for the full. Your thoughts are right on. I do not think I would put myself in the very back in a wave start nor in the very front. Obviously, the front is a place where you are on your own for developing a pace and if you have not run in the dark with hundreds of your best friends, you will struggle to find YOUR pace. This issue with the very back of your corral is a similar mental rush. That is you may feel left behind as you sense a lack of runners behind you. This can put you into a mental thought process of trying to gain spots in your wave. This is a short lived feeling as the following wave will catch you before mile two - but if you go out and try to push up into the pack for those two miles they could be two miles at an effort higher than wanted.

So, in a long winded way, I would suggest lining up about 3/4 back in your wave. It will give you security of knowing you are not and the very end. but put you in a position of not trying to catch the previous wave. Note that even with waves, the bridge at mile one will create a slight slow up in your running group. Be prepared for a little zigging and possibly some zagging from mile 1 through 1.5 - up to the point where we hit World Dr.

 

[belle2211]

Hi! A couple of questions

1) Do they ever open spots up for the full later on? Right now I am signed up for the half but think I might want to do the full. I started running last year and have done about 11 5ks, 1 10k, 1 10 miler and then have the W&D Half next weekend. I'm hoping to start a family next year and not sure that I will continue with the running. I never thought I'd want to do a marathon, but after training for the half next weekend, mabye I do!

2) If they do open a spot, do you think I'd be okay for it? My last long run was 14 miles and next week I'll do 13 for the half. Would I be too far off track to be comfortable in the full?

Thanks!

 

[PRmamiDEdos]

I have a question for the seasoned winter runners. Last year I trained mainly on the treadmill for the Princess so I didn't get a lot of outside runs in. This year, I'm trying to hit the road more often. With the early cold snap, I try to breathe through my nose most of the time but still end up with a sore throat when I'm done.

Ran to my local polling place to vote and the volunteer made fun of me for running, LOL. Whatever. Gas is scarce!

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[VernRDH]

I have a question for the seasoned winter runners. Last year I trained mainly on the treadmill for the Princess so I didn't get a lot of outside runs in. This year, I'm trying to hit the road more often. With the early cold snap, I try to breathe through my nose most of the time but still end up with a sore throat when I'm done.

Ran to my local polling place to vote and the volunteer made fun of me for running, LOL. Whatever. Gas is scarce!

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I ran to my polling place too and the lady was like "did you run here?" Uh, yeah, what gave me away. And like you said, why drive a couple miles when you can kill two birds with one stone? A workout and civic duty. Bonus!!!

 

[cewait]

Hi! A couple of questions

1) Do they ever open spots up for the full later on? Right now I am signed up for the half but think I might want to do the full. I started running last year and have done about 11 5ks, 1 10k, 1 10 miler and then have the W&D Half next weekend. I'm hoping to start a family next year and not sure that I will continue with the running. I never thought I'd want to do a marathon, but after training for the half next weekend, mabye I do!

2) If they do open a spot, do you think I'd be okay for it? My last long run was 14 miles and next week I'll do 13 for the half. Would I be too far off track to be comfortable in the full?

Thanks!

I would email runDisney. Historically, there have not been any late releases or last minute sales of entries... but that does not mean that they cannot accommodate a transfer. Do it now if you plan to as the corral seeding and bib assignment will occur very soon.

With regard to can you do it? I find that motivated runners can do much more than they would ever think. With your current long run of 14 you could run a full this weekend. I am not recommending this and it would not be a fun run as your mind will work to convince you to stop. If you ran 16 the weekend following the W&D, then 10 - 18 - 10 - 20 - 10 - 20 - 10 and 10 I think that gets you into marathon the following week. (Sorry on a poor computer at the moment and not able to flip over to a calendar)

Again, email or call runDisney and plead your case.

 

[cewait]

I have a question for the seasoned winter runners. Last year I trained mainly on the treadmill for the Princess so I didn't get a lot of outside runs in. This year, I'm trying to hit the road more often. With the early cold snap, I try to breathe through my nose most of the time but still end up with a sore throat when I'm done.

Ran to my local polling place to vote and the volunteer made fun of me for running, LOL. Whatever. Gas is scarce!

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Try running with a scarf or something across the face to help pre-warm the air. A little nerdy, yes, but it beats suffering. If you are capable of running in the cold and nose breathing consider yourself very lucky. Many runners will get a histamine effect from the cold air rushing into the nose.... If running with a group on a cold morning watch out for snot rockets.

 

[PRmamiDEdos]

Try running with a scarf or something across the face to help pre-warm the air. A little nerdy, yes, but it beats suffering. If you are capable of running in the cold and nose breathing consider yourself very lucky. Many runners will get a histamine effect from the cold air rushing into the nose.... If running with a group on a cold morning watch out for snot rockets.

Gross. LOL

I've tries the scarf but it doesn't pre warm the air that much and then it gets moist from the heavy breathing. Any fabric recommendations? You know, fleece, wool, etc?

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[chris84bond]

Gross. LOL

I've tries the scarf but it doesn't pre warm the air that much and then it gets moist from the heavy breathing. Any fabric recommendations? You know, fleece, wool, etc?

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I've found what helps on my longer/long runs is a cough drop roughly 5 minutes before the run. Gets a good coating on and allows me to breathe/not cough as bad when it starts getting agitated. Right now I'm using honey ones since I don't need the medicine...just the 'coating'

 

[PRmamiDEdos]

I've found what helps on my longer/long runs is a cough drop roughly 5 minutes before the run. Gets a good coating on and allows me to breathe/not cough as bad when it starts getting agitated. Right now I'm using honey ones since I don't need the medicine...just the 'coating'

thanks. I'll look into that.

 

[Ariel484]

I have a question for the seasoned winter runners. Last year I trained mainly on the treadmill for the Princess so I didn't get a lot of outside runs in. This year, I'm trying to hit the road more often. With the early cold snap, I try to breathe through my nose most of the time but still end up with a sore throat when I'm done.

Ran to my local polling place to vote and the volunteer made fun of me for running, LOL. Whatever. Gas is scarce!

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I could be wrong, but I think it's just something to get used to and something that will get better as you run outside more and as your cardiovascular system gets stronger. That's what happened for me, anyway...2 winters ago I ran outside with a scarf wrapped around my face (an old fleece one) and last year and this year I haven't used one.

 

[wvjules]

What do you all use to keep your chin warm? It's the only thing on me that gets cold.

 

[John VN]

Gross. LOL

I've tries the scarf but it doesn't pre warm the air that much and then it gets moist from the heavy breathing. Any fabric recommendations? You know, fleece, wool, etc?

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A dust mask http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-5687/Dust-Masks-Respirators/Uline-Standard-Dust-Mask?pricode=WU344&gadtype=pla&gclid=CLiJ87ulvbMCFZGPPAodgQgANg might work. Some even slightly cover chin area.

 

[tehvalerie]

If they do open a spot, do you think I'd be okay for it? My last long run was 14 miles and next week I'll do 13 for the half. Would I be too far off track to be comfortable in the full?

The training plan we're using (Hal Higdon Novice 1) has us at 13 mi so far, so it's completely feasible!