okay campingal you are sounding good, we were there last year for the press events for misson space and philharmagic, this was our first ever trip to disney, I did not think it was to crowded that we couldn't enjoy ourselves the only part that was to crowded was the parades and the fireworks show, you could not move for all the people so our view was not to good, and it was like a stampede at the fireworks show, I would love to go when you could actually get a view of these without the stampede of the crowds, now maybe you can answer the question of columbus day, falls on the 12th which is tuesday, now when are the crowds there the weekend before or the weekend following? I never knew that this was a big holiday for people to be traveling on vacation, especially to disney, we are to arrive on fri oct. 15 and staying to oct. 23 I hope this will be less crowded than last year.