NY Times Expose on College Suicides, Do Colleges Share Culpability?

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Interesting read: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/us/college-student-suicide-hamilton.html

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"The New York Times: His College Knew of His Despair. His Parents Didn't, Until It Was Too Late

Every year, parents send their children to college, trusting that they will be well, or that word will come if they are not. Ms. Burton had lived every parent’s nightmare: a child flunking out, sinking into despair, his parents the last to know. Her discovery set off a wave of pain and soul-searching but also a campaign to strip away some of the veils of confidentiality that colleges say protect the privacy and autonomy of students who are learning to be adults.

Suicide is the second-leading cause of death, after accidents, for college-age adults in the United States. The number of college students seeking treatment for anxiety and depression has risen sharply over the past few years, and schools have in turn stepped up their efforts in mental health research and intervention.
Even so, families have continued to put pressure on them to take greater responsibility for students’ well-being.

In a case that was closely watched across the country, Massachusetts’s highest court ruled on Monday that M.I.T. could not be held responsible for the 2009 suicide of a graduate student. But the court ruled that a university might be liable under limited circumstances, such as when a student expressly tells college staff members of plans to commit suicide.

“I think everybody should be on notice that schools can’t hide their head in the sand,” a mental health lawyer, Carolyn Reinach Wolf, said. “They can’t say, ‘Students are on loan to us.’”

Professors at Hamilton College, in upstate New York, had expressed concerns about Mr. Burton for much of the fall term and knew he was in deep distress, according to a report on his death that was shown to The New York Times. More than a month before his death, his adviser, Maurice Isserman, wrote the academic dean the strongest of many warnings: “Obviously what’s happening here is a complete crash and burn. I don’t know what the procedures/rules are for contacting parents but if this was my kid, I’d want to know.”

Professor Isserman struck at the heart of what mattered to the Burtons: whether the college had a responsibility to tell them what it knew.

College officials say they are constrained by the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, or Ferpa, a federal law governing student privacy, in reaching out to parents. A Hamilton official cited it at a recent student assembly meeting, when students asked about the Burtons’ contention that they had not been told of their son’s troubles. The law views students as adults and bars parents from even the most basic student records, like a transcript, without their child’s consent.

There are exceptions: Colleges can release any student record to parents if the student signs a consent, if the college knows that a parent claims the child as a dependent on tax forms, or in a health or safety emergency. Even so, federal law allows colleges to use their discretion. They are allowed, but not required, to release the records or let a family member know if a student is suicidal.

Colleges use the law not only to protect students’ privacy but also to shield the college from conflict with parents and other forces in society, said Brett Sokolow, a risk management consultant to universities.

“There is an ethos of maintaining privacy and confidentiality — which sometimes is very beneficial,” Mr. Sokolow said. “But when somebody’s dead, do you wish you’d worked to maintain their privacy, or do you wish you’d worked to keep them alive?”

As colleges contend with how involved to be in students’ lives, parents, too, often struggle with their responsibility to recognize when their children need help. Some Hamilton administrators said that they did not want to encourage helicopter parenting, and that parents were sometimes part of the problem.

“There’s a concern that if the school has too low a threshold for contacting family or suggesting a student take a leave of absence, it will actually discourage kids from coming forward for help,” said Dr. Victor Schwartz, the chief medical officer at the Jed Foundation, an advocacy group for student mental health. “So you’re basically walking a tightrope.”


Discuss.
 
No, the colleges do not share responsibility and it is not the college's fault that the student committed suicide. The college followed the law, which prohibits reaching out to the parents without the student's permission. Had the student expressed a desire to kill himself, then the moral thing to do would be to report it to the student's doctor (if they knew of who that was) or to call the police. Then maybe the student might have gotten a psych evaluation.

The psychiatrist who the student might have ended up being evaluated by, in turn, would likely have asked for the student's permission to notify his parents. However, if the psychiatrist or mental health professional thought that the student was a danger to himself or others, the first obligation would be to report it to the police so the student could be hospitalized.

The psychiatrist likely would have pressured and encouraged the student to notify his parents. But if the student refused and if the student was not mentally ill enough to be deemed unable to make such a decision for himself, then to be perfectly honest, there's absolutely nothing that anybody could have done about that.

Once you're 18, you are legally an adult unless the court system has granted a conservatorship over you (a la Britney Spears) where you are not allowed to make decisions for yourself or to make decisions about money, your healthcare, etc.

So legally, if the 18+ yr old wanted to go no contact with his parents, there's not much, realistically, that anybody could have done about it.

Give it enough time and there will be a lawsuit somewhere in which parents will sue a college or university for this sort of thing.
 
No. Everytime suicide is discussed there is the inevitable blame shot towards the person who committed it and then all of the replies that the person wasn't to blame for a whole host if reasons.

If the person who actually committed suicide is never to blame than no one else is either. It can't be both ways.
 
I haven't thought this through completely, but I'll put it out here anyhow. FERPA says students over 18 are legal adults and their information can't be shared with the parents, and universities operate in support of this. However, universities also require students file FAFSAs for financial aid, which REQUIRE the student to use the parents' financial information, regardless of age, unless the student is emancipated or married. Seems hypocritical to me... if you are too much of an independent adult for the school to report serious mental/health issues to your parents, why then are the schools justified in requiring your parents' financial information to award grants, scholarships, etc,? (like I said.. haven't thought it through yet...)
 

I haven't thought this through completely, but I'll put it out here anyhow. FERPA says students over 18 are legal adults and their information can't be shared with the parents, and universities operate in support of this. However, universities also require students file FAFSAs for financial aid, which REQUIRE the student to use the parents' financial information, regardless of age, unless the student is emancipated or married. Seems hypocritical to me... if you are too much of an independent adult for the school to report serious mental/health issues to your parents, why then are the schools justified in requiring your parents' financial information to award grants, scholarships, etc,? (like I said.. haven't thought it through yet...)
I think that's a fair observation. I've never been one to see 18 as a magical adult number. Unfortunately the law sees it that way in some situations.
 
Every year, parents send their children to college, trusting that they will be well, or that word will come if they are not. Ms. Burton had lived every parent’s nightmare: a child flunking out, sinking into despair, his parents the last to know. Her discovery set off a wave of pain and soul-searching but also a campaign to strip away some of the veils of confidentiality that colleges say protect the privacy and autonomy of students who are learning to be adults.

Discuss.

The big issue, of course, is that an 18 year old is not, legally, "a student learning to be an adult" An 18 year old is an adult in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of a college.
The college has no more obligation - or ability - to contact the parents of an 18 or 19 year old student than they do to contact the parents of a 35 year old student. In both cases, you would hope the college would offer the student any support they can - college based counseling, referrals to medical professionals, and calling police of hospitals for emergency admission if deemed necessary.
But no, colleges shouldn't be calling parents if a student is struggling, and I'm shocked that a parent would send their child to college trusting "that word will come" if they aren't well.
 
Hiding behind privacy laws doesn't impact a school's ability to report a student's statements about suicidal thoughts to adult protective services for investigation.
 
The best thing is to have your child to sign the consent form and have on record. IMO, as long as I am paying for college and the student is my dependent, I am included on health/wellbeing issues. it's scary enough sending them away.
 
I think that's a fair observation. I've never been one to see 18 as a magical adult number. Unfortunately the law sees it that way in some situations.
Pretty much EVERY legal situation. In this case, it’s a graduate student, so most likely 22+.
 
I haven't thought this through completely, but I'll put it out here anyhow. FERPA says students over 18 are legal adults and their information can't be shared with the parents, and universities operate in support of this. However, universities also require students file FAFSAs for financial aid, which REQUIRE the student to use the parents' financial information, regardless of age, unless the student is emancipated or married. Seems hypocritical to me... if you are too much of an independent adult for the school to report serious mental/health issues to your parents, why then are the schools justified in requiring your parents' financial information to award grants, scholarships, etc,? (like I said.. haven't thought it through yet...)

the way I see this is it's two separate things and one doesn't impact the other.

I don't know of any colleges that REQUIRE a completed fafsa for attendance. the fafsa is strictly the mechanism through which financial aide (grants, loans, work study and some scholarships) eligibility is determined. all the confidential parental information is provided as a 'condition' of the student making application for these funds. the college doesn't care where the cost of attendance comes from-they are strictly acting as a sort of 'middle man' in facilitating a student getting funds from these sources, and these sources are the ones requiring the parental information.

the university dd is graduating from, like most others doesn't require proof that a prospective student can actually meet the cost of tuition/fees when they are accepting enrollment applications but if a student is accepted AND they want funds from certain sources then the student has to take the steps to make an application for those funds and meet whatever conditions an individual funding source puts on their application process. there are other scholarships and loans through the university and outside sources that don't require the fafsa and students are free to apply for those as well. it's the student's choice to apply, it's the parent's choice to assist their student with providing information to comply with the conditions of different funding sources.

The best thing is to have your child to sign the consent form and have on record. IMO, as long as I am paying for college and the student is my dependent, I am included on health/wellbeing issues. it's scary enough sending them away.

I agree and with both of our kids they knew that b/c they would be applying for funds that required the fafsa that since a 'condition' of it was dh and I providing all of our confidential information then a 'condition' we placed up doing so was that they had to complete the school's consent form.



the sad thing in the situation in the o/p is that a ferpa release likely wouldn't have provided this information to a parent. a ferpa release only applies to what is contained IN the student's school records so unless the 'advisor' documented it (and an internal memo on it doesn't mean what I suspect was the student's academic advisor or other professors documenting it in the official records) it's not there for a parent to have access to. likewise-that release only lets a parent get information UPON REQUEST. it doesn't compel the school to report to the parent.

I've got full freaking medical power of attorney for my adult son b/c of guardianship but even that wouldn't have nesc. worked in this type of situation b/c while I've got the identical access to his medical records that I have to my own, unless i'm aware of/suspect a situation and take personal action to get information no one is going to routinely notify me (while I have rights to the records that doesn't obligate a provider to report to me-only to agencies they are mandate to as they are w/all other adults).
 
Our son had a medical situation in February and as the doctor in the college clinic was giving DS the results, he had us on speaker phone.

DS had called us before he went to the doctor and we discussed should he go to the clinic and then the ensuing tests and results.

Fortunately, we have an open relationship with our kids and they do come to talk to us about big stuff.

I can't imagine the pain of the parents whose child commits suicide.

I hope that open relationship with our kids would keep them coming to us, should they ever be in that predicament.

But, I do get that the college could not contact the parents to advise them of a situation without the student's consent.

While DS was going through some medical treatment at age 18 and now at 20, all medical questions and discussions by the professionals has been pointedly directed to him. They have been kind enough to answer our questions and listen to us at the times we have been at appointments and with him for tests and in the hospital, but it's been clear that the conversation was primarily with DS.
 
I am torn on this one. I mean we are looking at it assuming the parents are loving parents that would want to help which I think most are.

But the laws that state that students private information can't just be given to parents are partially to protect those students that don't have loving parents that want to help. So colleges making the call to tell parents without knowing that relationship would worry me.

I signed all the forms giving my school permission to tell me parents whatever. Partially because that was required to connect my moms back around to my student debit account in case I needed money. Something I was really glad of the time that I was out of money at the end of a semester that can be used for the campus store and was sick... I could eat in the main hall but I just wanted saltines and gingerale. This let mom send me a few dollars for that and some medicine.
 
Nope. Ultimately, suicide is a self choice free will issue that is beyond anyone else's control. No one is to blame due to the absolute uncertain if any underlying circumstances. A person's mind even when it's a child's mind is their own free will. With teenagers, this issue has personally hit our home as recent as yesterday. Celebrate life in general because you just never know.
 
I do not see why they should be responsible and you are reallly not putting your child in the school hands.
You should be checking in, and if need be make sure you have authoriZzation to speak to people.
Now schools do have responsibility to make sure illegal things are not happening, here I think they are liable and greatly not following through on their obligations and should be taken to task more.
 










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