Non Ticket holder at MNSSHP

[goofy4tink]

For those of you who think we, the hard ticket buyers, are over-reacting...this is the best way I can describe how/why I feel as I do. For example.....I paid $50 to attend a particular event. Capacity for that event is say, 1000 people. So, 999 other people also pay $50 for their pass to this event. Well, there are going to be non-paying people in the same area, but they will be told they should leave it they don't have passes. You know that there will be people that will try to abuse this. So....I head off to a spot, where there is room for say, 25 people. However, in addition to the 25 people that have paid for the 'right' to stand there, 13 other, non-paying people have wedged themselves into the space also. Or, I take my dd to a 'character signing' that can handle lines of about 20 people at a time. But, there are 10 people trying to get their children in also, although they haven't paid for the 'right'.
It's kind of the same thing. Disney has told us we can, at least in the past, arrive at MK after 4:00 and get into the park with just our party passes. This has been to alleviate the massive crowds they would encounter at 6:45 if everyone showed up at the same time for a 7:00 party start.

So...how about those un-imformed people that go to WDW. I'm sorry, but there are a ton of guide books, websites, and signage at the parks/resorts. No one should go to WDW and be un-informed. I refuse to feel badly for the people that plead ignorance and expect rules to be bent for them.

How about those people that are going to have to pay the same price but have fewer hours in the parks? Ah, sorry again. I go during the summer...parks, MK and AK at least, are open much later than during the winter. Do I complain when I go in Dec and the MK closes 4 hours earlier than it did on my last visit? Again, planning makes sense.

I hate to sound harsh and insenstive. I would be just as happy if they closed the park at 6:00 to the 'day' guests, if they stopped allowing the party people to enter at 4 with no other media than their party pass. Perhaps they could close the park at 6:00 and allow those with party passes to enter then...but go directly to a certain area..perhaps Tommorowland. I only want what I have paid for....a hard ticketed event that you have to pay extra to enjoy!!! I don't want to take anything away from anyone else.

 

[NeverlandClub23]

What kind of decorating do the CM's usually do for MNSSHP or MVMCP? I'm not asking in a smart or sarcastic tone, I really haven't a clue. I've been twice (to MVMCP) but usually entering after 7 p.m. and I never noticed any different decorations than what was out during the day (besides hot chocolate/cookies and the "snow" machine). TIA!

 

[Brian Noble]

I give up.

If you all insist on dooming-and-glooming your way to the first MNSSHP party, be my guests. You've got about a month to work yourselves into a lather between now and then.

I've got better things to do, like planning my own trip.

 

[HolliePoppins]

I give up.

If you all insist on dooming-and-glooming your way to the first MNSSHP party, be my guests. You've got about a month to work yourselves into a lather between now and then.

I've got better things to do, like planning my own trip.

 

[mking624]

I give up.

If you all insist on dooming-and-glooming your way to the first MNSSHP party, be my guests. You've got about a month to work yourselves into a lather between now and then.

I've got better things to do, like planning my own trip.

Glad you're giving up. Because I'm really tired of people coming on here telling us how we are and are not allowed to think or feel concerned about. I'm perfectly fine with ensuring that people who attend hard ticket events are not taken advantage of. Silent people never change a thing in this world.

As for the rest of us who are trying to make sure that we DO have a good time...keep it up!!!

 

[goofy4tink]

I give up.

If you all insist on dooming-and-glooming your way to the first MNSSHP party, be my guests. You've got about a month to work yourselves into a lather between now and then.

I've got better things to do, like planning my own trip.

Okay, so maybe we're a bit 'over the top'. But, honestly, what difference does it make to anyone else? There are tons of threads started by people that are 'working themselves into a lather' about something or the other here on the DIS boards. Sure, maybe a tempest in a teapot, but heck, it's our 'teapot'. Let us alone to wallow in our collective misery and rant and rave.
Am I afraid of what's going to eventually happen? Not really. I sent in my email addressing my concerns. I'm sure Disney will take any steps they need to in order to make things go smoothly. But, we do like to fret about things....it's just human nature. People just love 'doom and gloom' to worry about. I'm sure that on Nov 1 you'll be seeing a ton of posts saying how wonderful MNSSHP was!!!

 

[dzneprincess]

I. I'm a passholder anyway and can go in whenever I want to but I don't plan on being there at 4, Too long a night for us. 7-12 is fine.

Yep passholders here as well. So no big whoop for us to "use" a days admission as some have said we are trying to get away with....All I know is I paid extra for the tickets to enjoy the atmosphere, parades fireworks etc etc....I did not pay extra to ride the rides...I can do that whenever I want to via admission with my AP....Soooooo if others can get what I paid for, for free then why should I have to pay? Guess we will see on the 15th as that is when we are scheduled to go....

 

[jultomzach]

Perhaps, Disney will control this by not allowing the MNSSHP ticket holders in the park until 7. If they did that, they could completly empty the parks if they closed at 6 pm and then allow the MNSSHP ticket holders in. I haven't heard one "day guest" complain that MNSSHP ticket holders are in the park BEFORE they paid to be in the park. (Just looking at it from ALL angles)
Be careful what you wish for.

 

[THESCHULTZFIVE]

work yourselves into a lather

 

[byoung]

No braceless you are excorded out.

 

[dzneprincess]

Perhaps, Disney will control this by not allowing the MNSSHP ticket holders in the park until 7. If they did that, they could completly empty the parks if they closed at 6 pm and then allow the MNSSHP ticket holders in. I haven't heard one "day guest" complain that MNSSHP ticket holders are in the park BEFORE they paid to be in the park. (Just looking at it from ALL angles)
Be careful what you wish for.

sounds like a great idea to me! From 6pm to 7pm only those who hold an AND MNSSHP tix can hang!!

 

[salmoneous]

Okay, so maybe we're a bit 'over the top'. But, honestly, what difference does it make to anyone else?

You want to wallow in your doom and gloom, go right ahead. But I think it appropriate for other people to post contrasting posts. For two reasons:

1) Some people in their doom and gloom are posting flat out false info. I bet you can find 50 posts on the DIS right now saying that non-ticket holders are going to be allowed to stay and hundreds of posts from people who read and believed those posts. It's just not true. People should be given the facts, and then if want to predict doom and gloom, fine. But lets get the correct facts out to people.

2) There are people who, in their doom and gloom, are calling on Disney to change their policy and no longer allow party goers into the park at 4:00. Many of these people are AP holders, so the change doesn't hurt them. But the change does seriously hurt those people who don't have AP or park passes for that day.

When you start calling for changes that are going to hurt people, that change really should be based on facts, no exaggerated doom and gloom. Now if you see all the facts and still want to ask for change, go right ahead. But don't cut off other people's fun based on worst case fears.

 

[mking624]

You want to wallow in your doom and gloom, go right ahead. But I think it appropriate for other people to post contrasting posts. For two reasons:

1) Some people in their doom and gloom are posting flat out false info. I bet you can find 50 posts on the DIS right now saying that non-ticket holders are going to be allowed to stay and hundreds of posts from people who read and believed those posts. It's just not true. People should be given the facts, and then if want to predict doom and gloom, fine. But lets get the correct facts out to people.

2) There are people who, in their doom and gloom, are calling on Disney to change their policy and no longer allow party goers into the park at 4:00. Many of these people are AP holders, so the change doesn't hurt them. But the change does seriously hurt those people who don't have AP or park passes for that day.

When you start calling for changes that are going to hurt people, that change really should be based on facts, no exaggerated doom and gloom. Now if you see all the facts and still want to ask for change, go right ahead. But don't cut off other people's fun based on worst case fears.

I hardly doubt that a 2 hour early entrance being eliminated is going to be considered "hurting people." So far, no one here has said they would be upset if that policy were gone. In fact, people have said the opposite...that they would be fine if it was gone.

I'm missing where people are making phone calls to not let people in at 4pm. From what I've been reading, people are making phone calls to get the park closing tie at 6pm, not 7pm.

Perhaps we should iron out those facts before we say people are not posting correct facts.

Now I agree that people are saying that Disney is allowing people to stay...and that's not true. They aren't allowing people to stay. However, if this 7pm closure is true, then they ARE making is very difficult to ensure that only MNSSHP ticket holders will be there. There's absolutely no way they can do as effective a sweep than if they had the hour in between period. And that is what people are getting upset about...because we all know what that entails....especially when CMs have a history of letting guests do as they please in order to avoid confrontation.

 

[HolliePoppins]

This thread is for people who want to change things before the parties start. If you do not like what you are seeing(sp?) you are always free to visit another thread.

For everyone who is trying to make sure we get what we paid for, please keep it up. My family thanks you.

 

[Foofness]

Perhaps, Disney will control this by not allowing the MNSSHP ticket holders in the park until 7. If they did that, they could completly empty the parks if they closed at 6 pm and then allow the MNSSHP ticket holders in. I haven't heard one "day guest" complain that MNSSHP ticket holders are in the park BEFORE they paid to be in the park. (Just looking at it from ALL angles)
Be careful what you wish for.

You're only several pages late with that idea...

Waiting for my e-mail response from Disney... I imagine it will be like the others we've seen... Here's hoping for the best... we will be there for the first MNSSHP of the year...

I was almost one of those uninformed day guests... I even had ADR's at Tony's for 5:45 before the MNSSHP schedule was released... when I found out it was going on that night I just went ahead and bought the tickets... we were already going to be there on our park hopper passes, but with only those we would have to leave right after dinner... we have water park plans for that morning so we weren't even going to go to MK until dinner... rather than change my plans, cancel my ADR's I just went ahead and purchased four tickets... This coming after reading how great it was to have the limited number of people there... We are a family with the youngest being 14... trick-or-treating isn't what we will be there for... even character meeting won't be a big thing... We will be enjoying the rides, fireworks, parade, and extra time in the park...
I wasn't overly thrilled to find that our park hopper passes would be useless that night, money lost... more money lost buying the tickets... and now I find out that they may not run people out... Now not only have I lost money twice to Disney (if you want to look at it that way) but others may not be out once!... Not right... I won't change my plans now, but I'll not be happy if the lines at the rides are long due to "guest" that overstay the welcome!...

 

[SBDreamrsTeddyBear]

I hardly doubt that a 2 hour early entrance being eliminated is going to be considered "hurting people." So far, no one here has said they would be upset if that policy were gone. In fact, people have said the opposite...that they would be fine if it was gone.

I'm missing where people are making phone calls to not let people in at 4pm. From what I've been reading, people are making phone calls to get the park closing tie at 6pm, not 7pm.

Perhaps we should iron out those facts before we say people are not posting correct facts.

Now I agree that people are saying that Disney is allowing people to stay...and that's not true. They aren't allowing people to stay. However, if this 7pm closure is true, then they ARE making is very difficult to ensure that only MNSSHP ticket holders will be there. There's absolutely no way they can do as effective a sweep than if they had the hour in between period. And that is what people are getting upset about...because we all know what that entails....especially when CMs have a history of letting guests do as they please in order to avoid confrontation.

Do you know what you are talking about, or do you just like laying alot of bull out there.

 

[TinkerbellMama]

So while I spend $60 in a day for the same exact food (counter service meal, appetizer/entree/desert/non-alcoholic drink, and a snack) that someone on (paid) dining plan paid $35 for (a single day cost of dining plan), or paid nothing (free dining and only $10 more a night for the hotel at rack rate) than I did ... well that just doesn't seem fair, does it? Of course it is. They had a discount code, or are going under a special offer.

Well, there's a WORLD of difference between your analogy and what's really happening. If I buy cake mix at the store with a coupon, and the lady next to me pays full price, that's her loss--but I haven't done anything wrong. If I STEAL the cake and she has to pay full price, then I have definitely done something very wrong, and it DOES cheat her. See the difference?

 

[beattyfamily]

Do you know what you are talking about, or do you just like laying alot of bull out there.

Wow, pretty harsh stuff for a newbie.

 

[Cleokitty]

It just seems to me that all this unverifiable talk of Disney letting day guests stay in the park will only lead to more day guests trying to stay without a hard ticket. If you don't tell them they can stay, chances are the honest ones will leave the park when asked. Now, I believe, you will have more people saying, "I heard somewhere that we were allowed to stay and watch the fireworks and parades, just not ride the rides." I firmly believe that if we are shoulder to shoulder, six deep to watch the parade and half of us don't have wristbands, it will be because of all the discussion on the various boards has led people to think they can stay as long as they don't ride the rides.

I'm not saying don't be concerned and don't e-mail Disney, I'm just saying maybe watch the blanket statements such as . . . "they get to stay without paying". Many of us have paid to go to this event, my family included, but at this point in time, I think it's just giving non-ticket holders ideas about how to get in to the party w/o forking out the cash.

Just my thoughts. See you there 9/22 with or without day guests!

 

[tjmw2727]

Perhaps, Disney will control this by not allowing the MNSSHP ticket holders in the park until 7. If they did that, they could completly empty the parks if they closed at 6 pm and then allow the MNSSHP ticket holders in. I haven't heard one "day guest" complain that MNSSHP ticket holders are in the park BEFORE they paid to be in the park. (Just looking at it from ALL angles)
Be careful what you wish for.

Yes - this was the procedure prior to 9/11 - close the park, empty the park, decorate the park and then let the hard ticket guests into the party.

Honestly I didn't realize that ticket holders could gain access to the MK prior to the party. We have AP's and if we did go to the MK early I used my AP then used my ticket for a wristband. Otherwise we spent the day at the resort or another park and went to the party at 7 with the "hard ticket". In fact the first few years (I specificly remember a MVMCP) you didn't get a wristband if you entered after the party started so I can't imagine the things that may have been spoken about my family, no wristbands but we paid full price for our "hard tickets"??

I personally think gaining access without a day ticket 2-3 hours early is just as much a problem as a few non ticket holders staying a bit extra in the evening. Mind you I wouldn't do either but it seems to me to be the same problem.

I personally like the idea of closing the park completely and then re-opening it again - but that would cause a large problem with the bag search issue so I doubt it will happen.

TJ