Non-Partisan Thoughts About Vice-President Cheney

[LakeAriel]

What do oil prices have to do with Cheney?

As for the war in Iraq, blame the terrorists and former terrorist supporter, Saddam.

25 million liberated in Afganistan and 25 million liberated in Iraq -- make me proud to be an American. (Oh wait, I suppose the UN was going to do something evenutally after they spent all their bribe money. Maybe I should thank them too. NOT.)

25 million liberated in Iraq? Is this a joke? These people can't walk down the street anymore!

 

[nwdisgal]

Yeah, right. If only we would just sit down with the Iranians and say pretty please. I'm sure that would do the trick!

Uh... yah. I don't think that's happening anytime soon. I'm not holding my breath on that one, just as I'm not holding my breath that anyone expert on Middle Eastern affairs (not to be confused with Bill's affairs ) would actually be consulted on it.

 

[TCPluto]

I think this thread has outlived it's original intent.

Yoou're probably right.

I posted a link to the police report showing that the incident was immediately reported and investigated as the Sheriff found appropriate.

Debunking all of the conspiracy and cover up theories took all the fun out of this thread.

Outside of all the fun we've had talking about how Ted got away with the big one, and how Howard Dean is making sure the Dem party implodes, the Cheney story is dead. Much as it should have been a day after it was reported.

It's kind of ironic, since I posted the link to the Sheriff's report, not a single cover up theorist has commented on it. Have they not read it? I'm sure most wouldn't want to muck up the party line with a bunch of facts...

 

[eclectics]

Yoou're probably right.

Then let it be and say goodnight gracie.....

 

[salmoneous]

Yes, I do. And the fact still remains that Howard Dean is the current Chairman of the Democratic National Party. The head honcho, the top dog, the big cheese, the big enchilada, the big number one, the big kahuna, el capitan.

I kinda like Howard Dean, but if you honestly think he's the number one Democrat because he is head of the DNC, you don't understand anything about the role. Come on - do you honestly believe that? Honestly? Do you think whoever is head of the RNC is the most important Republican? Do you even know who the head of the RNC is? Can you name the past heads of the DNC and RNC? If these people are really the head honchos, the top togs, etc. you'ld think these people would be household names...

Head of the DNC is a fundraising role.

 

[TCPluto]

I kinda like Howard Dean......
Head of the DNC is a fundraising role.

I love the fact that Howie is head of the DNC. It ensures a much easier sail for most every conservative out there.

He is a whacko nut job, and he is your leader, ARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

Head of the DNC is a very powerful position, sets the tone for direction, caqndidates, and yes, fund raising.

It is truly a conservative blessing for Howie to be at the top of his party, ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

 

[richiebaseball]

I kinda like Howard Dean, but if you honestly think he's the number one Democrat because he is head of the DNC, you don't understand anything about the role. Come on - do you honestly believe that? Honestly? Do you think whoever is head of the RNC is the most important Republican? Do you even know who the head of the RNC is? Can you name the past heads of the DNC and RNC? If these people are really the head honchos, the top togs, etc. you'ld think these people would be household names...

Head of the DNC is a fundraising role.

I'm sorry that it bothers you but Howard Dean is indeed head of the DNC and does indeed hold a very powerful position in his party. If you honestly don't believe that, then you're not being honest.

 

[Charade]

I kinda like Howard Dean, but if you honestly think he's the number one Democrat because he is head of the DNC, you don't understand anything about the role. Come on - do you honestly believe that? Honestly? Do you think whoever is head of the RNC is the most important Republican? Do you even know who the head of the RNC is? Can you name the past heads of the DNC and RNC? If these people are really the head honchos, the top togs, etc. you'ld think these people would be household names...

Head of the DNC is a fundraising role.

If he's not the head of the Democratic party, who is?

Is no one at the wheel?

 

[Lanshark]

Please define old so I know which side of the fence I'm living on these days

 

[salmoneous]

Let's see:

No, it doesn't bother me that Dean is head of the DNC. I like what he has done for the party as fundraiser. He isn't the head of the party - his title is Chairman, which makes him a fundraiser, not a policy maker. Yes, that's a powerful role, but far from being the head honcho. He isn't a nut job. He yelled during a campaign speech. Big deal. I would think it a bigger deal that he was right about the threat posed by Iraq - but people want to distract people from that so they keep bringing up his yell. Go figure.

And, really guys, the guy said Dean was the top dog Democrat. Do you think that Ken Mehlamn is the top dog Republican in this country?

 

[DawnCt1]

Let's see:

No, it doesn't bother me that Dean is head of the DNC. I like what he has done for the party as fundraiser. He isn't the head of the party - his title is Chairman, which makes him a fundraiser, not a policy maker.

You do like what Dean has done for fundraising? I understand that most of the Democratic leadership is disappointed to say the least. He has certainly put himself out there as a spokesman and unfortunately for the dems, it has affected their bottom line.

 

[salmoneous]

You do like what Dean has done for fundraising? I understand that most of the Democratic leadership is disappointed to say the least.

You understand incorrectly. As a general rule, when partisan comentators on one side talk about what is going on inside the other party, they get it wrong.

 

[Charade]

You understand incorrectly. As a general rule, when partisan comentators on one side talk about what is going on inside the other party, they get it wrong.

Hmm...

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/51_74/news/11931-1.html

Dean Comes Under Fire
DNC Finances Cause Concern By Erin P. Billings and Lauren W. Whittington
Roll Call Staff
January 30, 2006

Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill are privately bristling over Howard Dean’s management of the Democratic National Committee and have made those sentiments clear after new fundraising numbers showed he has spent nearly all the committee’s cash and has little left to support their efforts to gain seats this cycle.

Got anything that says something different?

 

[salmoneous]

You've pointed to a story telling some Congressmen are upset with Dean because he is spending lots of money on local party building rather than building up warchests for Congressional elections. Which is absolutely true. All Democrats don't agree on the best way to spend party money. Should it be concentrated at the local level, or national level?

That's a far cry from Dawn's statement that, "most of the Democratic leadership is disappointed to say the least". Seriously, when it comes to knowing what Democrats are and are not happy with, listen to Democrats, not people who's job it is to make them look bad. And while Democrats might not agree with every decision Dean makes, overall they like what he has done.

Next time you hear Rush or Sean or Drudge tell you what is going on inside the Democratic party, just keep in mind that they aren't the most objective folks on the issue.

 

[momof2inPA]

The DUI was responsible for the "blond in the pond". Maybe it wouldn't have happened if Teddy wasn't drunk. It wasn't just leaving the scene of an accident. It was causing the accident and failure to obtain help that may have saved her life. Negligent homocide perhaps?

Didn't Laura Bush kill someone with a car, too? Now explain where either story has ANYTHING to do with the VP's shooting incident. Next time a story about a Republican comes to light and your Republican idols; Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc.; start talking about a completely unrelated topic, ask yourself, "Why?" It's a smokescreen, Dawn, and you fell for it.

 

[Galahad]

Didn't Laura Bush kill someone with a car, too?

I'm sorry, but this is the most patently absurd thing to bring into this discussion. There are plenty of other Republican sins to point to in an argument like this. She was a CHILD at the time of her accident. Everybody else being discussed were adults at the time of their incidents. Frankly it's pretty ugly to bring it up.

 

[eclectics]

I'm sorry, but this is the most patently absurd thing to bring into this discussion. There are plenty of other Republican sins to point to in an argument like this. She was a CHILD at the time of her accident. Everybody else being discussed were adults at the time of their incidents. Frankly it's pretty ugly to bring it up.

For every ugly incident there is always an excuse as to why it's not really their fault. For every bad behavior someone is going to have an explanation as to why it happened and why it's not a big deal. The point some are bringing up is exasperation that for every bad incident the other team (either one) has to dredge up an old scandal as a counterpoint, as if to prove "Well you guys do it too!". I suppose it's human nature, and sometimes I'm as guilty as the next, but nothing brings a discussion down faster than this, and this thread is proof.

 

[chobie]

I'm sorry, but this is the most patently absurd thing to bring into this discussion. There are plenty of other Republican sins to point to in an argument like this. She was a CHILD at the time of her accident. Everybody else being discussed were adults at the time of their incidents. Frankly it's pretty ugly to bring it up.

So you think any person who commits any criminal act or act of negligence while "only" 17 should not be held responsible? Tort law has generally held that "children" who engage in inherently dangerous or adult activity(like driving) will be held to an adult standard. You disagree with this standard? You think a 17 year old who rapes or murders is just a "child" and we should let it go?

 

[Galahad]

Some of you guys are seriously obsessed.

 

[Planogirl]

http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm

Read the link.

Divers surmise that she was alive for several hours after the car went off the bridge; believe she suffocated, not drowned. His failure to act after the accident caused her death, which equals murder.

Certainly not 1st degree (premeditated, malice aforethought), but every state has many degrees of murder. At least in this case, negligent operation of a motor vehicle causing death (felony), failure to report an accident causing death (felony); failure to render aid (at least high court misdemeanor), etc.

A variety of murder charges fit this crime. Yes, it it a crime gone unpunsihed.

Please do yourself a favor and read the link.

This link too, it will put your right wing conspiracy cover up theory on the Cheney hunting accident to bed:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0216061cheney1.html

Read a biased link? Uh, no thanks.

As for the second link, I'm not one who necessarily believes that there is a conspiracy. I've made that very clear in my posts. I'm starting to wonder though in light of this incredibly passionate defense of the Vice President.