No Walgreens For You

Walgreens is closing stores due to shoplifting. This is a new one for me. Usually businesses close because their stores aren't profitable. I guess if customers aren't paying, then they're not profitable.

https://www.businessinsider.com/loc...greens-shoplifting-san-francisco-2021-10?op=1
Interesting you post an article where it's stated

  • "Police department data, local officials, and policy experts are casting doubt on that reasoning"
  • Additionally "the chain has experienced retail theft, other factors like the COVID-19 pandemic and oversaturation of stores were cited as potential factors behind the decision to close the stores."
  • "San Francisco Police Department data obtained by the Chronicle contradicts Walgreens' claims, with one of the stores slated to close reporting only 23 shoplifting incidents since 2018. Some incidents of shoplifting likely go unreported, but the closing stores had on average less than two shoplifting reports per month since 2018.
  • The Mayor doesn't appear to buy the reasoning
  • It's stated in the article a reminder that several years ago Walgreens already advised they would be closing several hundred stores (and it is being said some of these closing were long preplanned to be closed)

Sounds like your article isn't really backing up your thread :confused3

Sounds like a splashy reasoning being used but evidence not there
 

The joke about Walgreen's in San Francisco is that they seem to be the exception to the chain retail that the city won't normally approve. The city is littered with them almost everywhere. There are literally about 40 or so within the city limits.

If there's any problem, it's probably from organized theft rings. They've already gone to placing a lot of high value items behind glass or those funky plastic enclosures that only allow one item at a time to be removed, but that's found almost everywhere since such theft rings can target almost any store.
 
Interesting you post an article where it's stated

  • "Police department data, local officials, and policy experts are casting doubt on that reasoning"
  • Additionally "the chain has experienced retail theft, other factors like the COVID-19 pandemic and oversaturation of stores were cited as potential factors behind the decision to close the stores."
  • "San Francisco Police Department data obtained by the Chronicle contradicts Walgreens' claims, with one of the stores slated to close reporting only 23 shoplifting incidents since 2018. Some incidents of shoplifting likely go unreported, but the closing stores had on average less than two shoplifting reports per month since 2018.
  • The Mayor doesn't appear to buy the reasoning
  • It's stated in the article a reminder that several years ago Walgreens already advised they would be closing several hundred stores (and it is being said some of these closing were long preplanned to be closed)

Sounds like your article isn't really backing up your thread :confused3

Sounds like a splashy reasoning being used but evidence not there
Well, there is another reason that the Police data may not be accurate. In 2014 voters in California Passed Prop 47 which basically decriminalized theft if the total value of the theft is $950. So stores don't detain shoplifters anymore, because if they do, the Police won't respond. The Police won't respond because the District Attorney won't prosecute because it is no longer a felony.
 
Looking forward to the San Francisco retail desert. Should be fun.

There won't be a shortage of retail in San Francisco. If 5 Walgreens stores close in San Francisco, that leaves about 40 more. They're closing stores around the country, so they're certainly not singling out San Francisco.
 
  • "San Francisco Police Department data obtained by the Chronicle contradicts Walgreens' claims, with one of the stores slated to close reporting only 23 shoplifting incidents since 2018. Some incidents of shoplifting likely go unreported, but the closing stores had on average less than two shoplifting reports per month since 2018.
When I took Criminology in college, I learned that the vast majority of shoplifting (even that which the proprietors are aware of) goes unchallenged and unreported. There are many reasons, including potential liability for errors or too-aggressive-pursuit, and the negative public image created by a caught shoplifter making a scene (this was always an issue, but is undoubtedly much more of an issue in an era when a shoplifter with a protected status can get widespread sympathy on social media). And of course, plenty of shoplifting isn't noticed until the shoplifters are gone, because surveillance by employees isn't constant. It's easier to close a store that is experiencing a lot of shoplifting, than to try to challenge or control the shoplifting.
 
Well, there is another reason that the Police data may not be accurate. In 2014 voters in California Passed Prop 47 which basically decriminalized theft if the total value of the theft is $950. So stores don't detain shoplifters anymore, because if they do, the Police won't respond. The Police won't respond because the District Attorney won't prosecute because it is no longer a felony.

They don't need to detain anyone. I'm pretty sure that a report can be made online these days.
 
When I took Criminology in college, I learned that the vast majority of shoplifting (even that which the proprietors are aware of) goes unchallenged and unreported. There are many reasons, including potential liability for errors or too-aggressive-pursuit, and the negative public image created by a caught shoplifter making a scene (this was always an issue, but is undoubtedly much more of an issue in an era when a shoplifter with a protected status can get widespread sympathy on social media). And of course, plenty of shoplifting isn't noticed until the shoplifters are gone, because surveillance by employees isn't constant. It's easier to close a store that is experiencing a lot of shoplifting, than to try to challenge or control the shoplifting.

I've been at a Walgreens store (more than 15 years ago) when an employee literally snatched the backpack off of a shoplifter and wore it around as a trophy. I'm sure he could have come back to claim it if he wanted......
 
They don't need to detain anyone. I'm pretty sure that a report can be made online these days.
No reason to do a report. If the District Attorney won't prosecute, and with most stores threatening to fire employees who detain shoplifters, it's as if it doesn't happen. It has been a huge source of frustration in my community. Customers try to stop shoplifters and employees tell them to let them go because if the employee gets involved, they could lose their job.
 
There won't be a shortage of retail in San Francisco. If 5 Walgreens stores close in San Francisco, that leaves about 40 more. They're closing stores around the country, so they're certainly not singling out San Francisco.
There won’t be a shortage of retail in San Francisco because there’s a high concentration of wealth there
 
What exactly is a retail employee supposed to do other than take down into and call the police? Tackle ‘em? Citizens arrest? Cuff ‘em?
 
When I took Criminology in college, I learned that the vast majority of shoplifting (even that which the proprietors are aware of) goes unchallenged and unreported. There are many reasons, including potential liability for errors or too-aggressive-pursuit, and the negative public image created by a caught shoplifter making a scene (this was always an issue, but is undoubtedly much more of an issue in an era when a shoplifter with a protected status can get widespread sympathy on social media). And of course, plenty of shoplifting isn't noticed until the shoplifters are gone, because surveillance by employees isn't constant. It's easier to close a store that is experiencing a lot of shoplifting, than to try to challenge or control the shoplifting.
I've worked in retail, I've seen shoplifting, I've been called by loss prevention before to watch out for people (like one time people switching tags), I've had "here's where people like to stash the price tags when they steal the stuff (aka behind the mirror in the dressing room or even more clever the ceiling tiles in the dressing room where you'd have to step on the bench to reach it)", etc.

Of course not all shoplifting goes reported but for a large company like Walgreens to say "hey it's just due to those dirty rotten shoplifters that we just never report" doesn't seem to match up especially when they admit it's a multitude of reasoning.
 
What exactly is a retail employee supposed to do other than take down into and call the police? Tackle ‘em? Citizens arrest? Cuff ‘em?

I mentioned what I saw at one where an employee literally just grabbed off the pack used to stash the shoplifted items, with this was 15+ years ago. I had knew a few people in HS who got caught shoplifting. They placed a plainclothes security guard who then stopped them when leaving. They've got cameras and these days it's possible for remote security to monitor and then alert on-site security. That being said, I've heard of security just being there to observe and report. Now I suppose the most extreme would be stores where they literally have a parking spot for a police car and pay the police department. I've seen this in front of some Apple Stores, as well as at a Nike store that has a problem with theft. If police are there, they generally won't just observe but arrest.
 
Well, there is another reason that the Police data may not be accurate. In 2014 voters in California Passed Prop 47 which basically decriminalized theft if the total value of the theft is $950. So stores don't detain shoplifters anymore, because if they do, the Police won't respond. The Police won't respond because the District Attorney won't prosecute because it is no longer a felony.
Yes you mentioned that before. I would assume if that's interacting with the lack of police reports on a significant level someone would have mentioned it or at least advised that was a large contributing factor.

More or less I found it more interesting the usage of an article which seemed to say it's not due to shoplifting when the thread was stating that. Could it be part of the reason? Like the last nail in the coffin? Perhaps. But the sole reason? There's at least doubts. Normally people don't post articles that are contrary to what they are stating.

Does anyone have the list of the 200 stores they announced they would close in August 2019? I wonder if we can match any.
 
The city is littered with them almost everywhere. There are literally about 40 or so within the city limits.
That reminds me of Hawaii. They have an ABC store like every block. Walk 2 mins sometimes and there's another one. Walgreens did state they would do "a review of the real estate footprint in the United States.”

We also had an interesting thing with a Subway. There was a location inside the closest Walmart and then across the street another location. When the pandemic happened the Subway inside the Walmart closed eventually and never reopened. A new food place is going in (don't remember what it will be). The Subway across the street is doing just fine just like it was before.
 
Yes you mentioned that before. I would assume if that's interacting with the lack of police reports on a significant level someone would have mentioned it or at least advised that was a large contributing factor.

More or less I found it more interesting the usage of an article which seemed to say it's not due to shoplifting when the thread was stating that. Could it be part of the reason? Like the last nail in the coffin? Perhaps. But the sole reason? There's at least doubts. Normally people don't post articles that are contrary to what they are stating.

Does anyone have the list of the 200 stores they announced they would close in August 2019? I wonder if we can match any.
Well, the person writing the article didn't do their homework. But I suspect it may have only been one factor in the closures, not the entire reason. But at least here, Walgreens are a shoplifting magnet. The one closest to me keeps getting hit by the two same women. The employees are not allowed to even call the police. But our Neighborhoodwatch folks always manage to get stills from the security camera.
 
No reason to do a report. If the District Attorney won't prosecute, and with most stores threatening to fire employees who detain shoplifters, it's as if it doesn't happen. It has been a huge source of frustration in my community. Customers try to stop shoplifters and employees tell them to let them go because if the employee gets involved, they could lose their job.

My husband owns a business and he’s caught several vehicle break ins in the parking lot. He filed police reports and sent the police the license plate info of the burglars and nothing was done. He’s super frustrated that these people are getting away with these crimes. An employees bike got stolen even though it was locked to the bike rack. The thief bought bolt cutters and cut the lock.
 


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