No room on points but available for cash?

[rwatson626]

I'm staying at a studio in BLT in Aug and I know there's no availability but when I look on Disneys website I see I can book with cash? How is that possible isn't the resort all DVC so how can they hold back rooms for cash? Always wondered that.

 

[BillPA]

Yes.

 

[RescueRanger]

I'm staying at a studio in BLT in Aug and I know there's no availability but when I look on Disneys website I see I can book with cash? How is that possible isn't the resort all DVC so how can they hold back rooms for cash? Always wondered that.

The short answer... Disney owns a small percentage of points. Also, whenever a member uses their points for a Disney Collection Hotel, Disney Cruise, etc.. Disney rents out that room for cash to pay for it.

 

[tbjam01]

I'm staying at a studio in BLT in Aug and I know there's no availability but when I look on Disneys website I see I can book with cash? How is that possible isn't the resort all DVC so how can they hold back rooms for cash? Always wondered that.

Members can book for cash at a 25% discount

 

[Deb & Bill]

Members can book for cash at a 25% discount

But that 25% discount isn't available through Disney Reservation Center. Only through Member Services. And it's not always available.

As long as DVC offers the opportunity for direct members to book the Disney Collection, you'll see DVC villas for rent on the DRC site.

 

[disneynutz]

Disney does what's good for Disney, they move rooms around, offer DVC discounts, what ever it takes (we assume within the rules) to make as much money as possible. That is the job if the revenue accounting team.

Bill

 

[crisi]

The biggest two reasons there are rooms available for cash and not for points:

1. Points that Disney owns - if points have been foreclosed on, if they have not yet been sold, or if they are otherwise owned by Disney, they are Disney's points. Just like any owner,
Disney can rent out those points. I have no more right to those points that I have to your points - its just that I can't see what you are doing with your points - I can see Disney trying to rent theirs through the web site.

2. Points that have been used by another member, but just not at the resort. Use your points to cruise or stay at Disneyland Paris? To pay for that trip, DVC gives those points to CRO and CRO sells them for cash. Those points have been used, they have just been used by someone that is going to be sitting on the deck of the Disney Wonder.

There is a third category that is smaller - 60 days out, unused rooms go to CRO as "breakage" - those rooms can be reclaimed by DVC. If those rooms are sold for cash, they offset dues. That wouldn't be the case for BLT in August - its farther than 60 days out, and DVC is going to turn over very few BLT nights in this fashion over the course of the year.

 

[chalee94]

isn't the resort all DVC so how can they hold back rooms for cash? Always wondered that.

As crisi said, the rooms are booked on points (whether pts owned by Disney directly or managed by Disney to pay for DVC member trades for cruises or ABD or Disney hotels.) Since the villas are already booked with pts, they cannot be booked again with your pts or my pts.

 

[rwatson626]

Thanks everyone I figured Disney had those points for those reasons but so hard to wrap my head how Disney cannot make them available for DVC. Shouldn't they just be another DVC member and have to play by the same rules if they are just renting out their points it's first come who gets the room.

If Disney is using their points and renting out the room for cash (Just the same as we have an option for) why is it only available for cash. Shouldn't Disney have to use the same guidelines as the members?

Is there anything legally Disney has the first option at rooms?

Also, if Disney can't get cash for that room do they at some point put it back in inventory for DVC? I'm sure they wouldn't want the room to sit empty.

What stops Disney from taking let's say all the rooms (or a lot of rooms) over a very busy time like Christmas week and renting those out with all the points they have to rent. What would stop them? Giving DVC members less of an inventory.


Thanks
Ron

 

[disneynutz]

Much of how Disney operates is not made public and we guess on how they do things and we assume that they play by some rule. In reality they probably bend the rules to their benefit. We would never know if they took rooms from inventory for some VIPs which I understand does happen just like we don't really know how they come up with our dues budget.

Bill

 

[rwatson626]

Much of how Disney operates is not made public and we guess on how they do things and we assume that they play by some rule. In reality they probably bend the rules to their benefit. We would never know if they took rooms from inventory for some VIPs which I understand does happen just like we don't really know how they come up with our dues budget.

Bill

Thank, been a member for a few years and not sure why it just hit me like a ton of bricks that this was happening.

 

[striker1064]

What stops Disney from taking let's say all the rooms (or a lot of rooms) over a very busy time like Christmas week and renting those out with all the points they have to rent. What would stop them? Giving DVC members less of an inventory.

In my (admittedly limited) understanding, this wouldn't actually be as big of a deal as it may seem. Disney has 1-2% of the points at a resort. They could rent those out for cash if they wanted, but that wouldn't be taking inventory from current DVC members.

A resort has a limited number of points. They aren't - as far as anyone knows - taking points out of thin air for cash reservations. As long as a DVC member is booking within the 11 month window, there's enough inventory. Disney's 1-2% inventory were never available anyway, nor were the points traded back to DVC for cruises or Disney collections.

 

[chalee94]

Thanks everyone I figured Disney had those points for those reasons but so hard to wrap my head how Disney cannot make them available for DVC. Shouldn't they just be another DVC member and have to play by the same rules if they are just renting out their points it's first come who gets the room.

They are "just another member" w/r/t booking villas so far as anyone can tell.

I believe you were asking about a villa in August (three months away). If you expected BLT to still have availability, I'm not sure why you think that is a reasonable expectation. Where are you getting the notion that Disney stepped in front of BLT owners to book that stay?

Would you think it was fair if Disney took a stay that you booked with your pts away and decided to rent that stay for cash? You are essentially arguing that you ought to be able to take a reservation away from Disney that they booked with pts they own.

If Disney is using their points and renting out the room for cash (Just the same as we have an option for) why is it only available for cash.

So if I book a stay with my pts and offer to rent the room for cash, you think you should be able to take away my reservation and book it with your pts? As I said above, Disney is already using pts to book those stays, so I don't get your logic that says they should still be available to book with pts *again*...

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Thanks everyone I figured Disney had those points for those reasons but so hard to wrap my head how Disney cannot make them available for DVC. Shouldn't they just be another DVC member and have to play by the same rules if they are just renting out their points it's first come who gets the room.

If Disney is using their points and renting out the room for cash (Just the same as we have an option for) why is it only available for cash. Shouldn't Disney have to use the same guidelines as the members?

Is there anything legally Disney has the first option at rooms?

Also, if Disney can't get cash for that room do they at some point put it back in inventory for DVC? I'm sure they wouldn't want the room to sit empty.

What stops Disney from taking let's say all the rooms (or a lot of rooms) over a very busy time like Christmas week and renting those out with all the points they have to rent. What would stop them? Giving DVC members less of an inventory.


Thanks
Ron

All members including you have the option to rent out your points so that's nothing special that DVC is doing. It's not going to be made available for a point rental a second time (to a member who wants it) as it's already booked by another owner who happens to be DVC. The other part is the cash rentals done when a member trades out. The payment for the trade has to come from somewhere so the room is rented for cash. In essence it's already been booked by the member for a trade into a different location.

Disney has to have some metrics and some ethics in the rooms they choose to rent for cash. If not that would eventually catch up to them.

 

[crisi]

Like any other member would do, they are simply making a spec reservation in the hopes of renting it out for cash - same rules you are following.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Thanks everyone I figured Disney had those points for those reasons but so hard to wrap my head how Disney cannot make them available for DVC. Shouldn't they just be another DVC member and have to play by the same rules if they are just renting out their points it's first come who gets the room....

Also, if Disney can't get cash for that room do they at some point put it back in inventory for DVC? I'm sure they wouldn't want the room to sit empty.

What stops Disney from taking let's say all the rooms (or a lot of rooms) over a very busy time like Christmas week and renting those out with all the points they have to rent. What would stop them? Giving DVC members less of an inventory.


Thanks
Ron

Disney doesn't mind if a DVC villa that a member owns stays empty. It's already paid for. If a member traded in their points for the DCL, they need the money to pay for that trip the other member took using the points that the villa you see empty represents. They aren't going to give it away for points which means no money for them. If it's part of the 1-2% they own, they use it to cover the villas taken out of inventory for renovations or maintenance. If it's a foreclosure, they may need it to help pay the bills. If it hasn't been declared yet (at a new resort), the developer owns those points until they are sold.

If you have GFV points that you are trading out for an RCI trade, they convert those points to SSR one bedrooms to offer to RCI because that's probably the last villa being booked for cash or points.

 

[rwatson626]

I guess it's hard to write what I'm trying to say. I might be coming across wrong. If Disney has the points from various reasons than and they reserved the room I don't expect them to give it up to me or anyone else. I was trying to say it's hard (not impossible) to find a DVC room for cash that is sold out. So does Disney have that many points to book the rooms to rent out? For example I can pay cash for a studio for the entire month of August with no sold out dates.

Sorry I came off wrong. I don't think I'm entitled to anything. Just shocked Disney would have so many points to reserve every type of room at every resort for all year.

Thanks

 

[disneynutz]

Again, we don't know what they do or how they do it. Anything posted about room availability is a guess at best. They don't tell us for a reason.

Bill

 

[Woody412]

I may be wrong, but I think the root of OP’s question is; how does Disney determine the specific dates that they will try to rent a room out for cash? If a member uses points outside of DVC, does Disney rent out their rooms during the corresponding dates or do they get chosen at random?

 

[disneynutz]

I may be wrong, but I think the root of OP’s question is; how does Disney determine the specific dates that they will try to rent a room out for cash? If a member uses points outside of DVC, does Disney rent out their rooms during the corresponding dates or do they get chosen at random?

Post #18 above pretty much explains it all. There may be printed info on what happens to points but we do not know if the printed info is followed.

Bill