(No politics!!) how impacted will Guardians in Epcot be now?

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Again -- Disney isn't his best friend who owes him a second chance as a person! This is a business. They made a risk/reward calculation.

And he was what... 42 when he tweeted those things? I think that past the "young person" exception. :)
With due respect Disney IS a business. Yes there were outcries when the "Masses" heard, but since that, the roar has died down. Add to that, the fact that I personally believe Disney felt they HAD to react due to what they did prior with Roseanne.

I have a personal difference than you probably on the significance of what he tweeted, He was stupid yes, he was going for shock factor yes, but that is what it was....and I am still of a mind since he has apologized for it that there is room for him coming back.

The man wrote the script on this popular entrance for this group movie, him out of the equation COULD make this not as favorable in the future.

2nd chances can be had, and in some cases are deserved
 
With due respect Disney IS a business. Yes there were outcries when the "Masses" heard, but since that, the roar has died down. Add to that, the fact that I personally believe Disney felt they HAD to react due to what they did prior with Roseanne.

I have a personal difference than you probably on the significance of what he tweeted, He was stupid yes, he was going for shock factor yes, but that is what it was....and I am still of a mind since he has apologized for it that there is room for him coming back.

The man wrote the script on this popular entrance for this group movie, him out of the equation COULD make this not as favorable in the future.

2nd chances can be had, and in some cases are deserved

I believe in 2nd chances as well. But for a company who markets toward children to have someone employed who made pedophilia remarks( that is now front page news)..I think the 2nd chance is much more difficult to give.
 
Agree to disagree then. I think if it’s a problem now it should’ve been a problem when they hired him.
That’s like saying “bad publicity is irrelovant to a business”.

There was no bad publicity before. There is now. Different business calculus — that’s not really a matter of opinion — those are different business realities.
 
I believe in 2nd chances as well. But for a company who markets toward children to have someone employed who made pedophilia remarks( that is now front page news)..I think the 2nd chance is much more difficult to give.
Exactly this.

Like I said: Disney isn’t a friend who kinda owes him a second chance as a human being. It’s a business that markets to children firing someone who joked about pedophilia — and that fact has now been widely publicized.
 

That’s like saying “bad publicity is irrelovant to a business”.

There was no bad publicity before. There is now. Different business calculus — that’s not really a matter of opinion — those are different business realities.
There was bad press before. Sure it wasn't on TMZ and the evening news but it was known. I understand Disney is a business and what goes along with that. I have taken business classes in college. If Disney has issues with this now they should have either never hired him or made him delete those tweets when hired. Leaving them there for the world to see only made things how they are today. And now you have the big star studded cast in support of him and not Disney.
 
There was bad press before. Sure it wasn't on TMZ and the evening news but it was known.
You keep saying this as though that doesn’t change just about everything! How widely something is known matters a great deal. The masses matter here.

How UNBELIEVABLE would he have to be for Disney to take the chance of keeping him??

And I personally couldn’t care less if the cast supports him. The same basic crowd that abetted Weinstein et al for years?? Can’t imagine the masses would care about that. A small set of Marvel ultra fans might be moved by that — because they care more about the product — but the masses won’t lend their endorsement much credence. At least that’s my prediction.

ETA: And their choice wrt Roseanne — and her recently drawing attention to what she termed hypocrisy around Gunn — made this a live story again. And there’s no reason to think she’ll stop saying that. All choices Disney made — business choices — based on risk/reward calculations: hiring Roseanne and Gunn despite past tweets, firing each of them.
 
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You keep saying this as though that doesn’t change just about everything! How widely something is known matters a great deal. The masses matter here.

How UNBELIEVABLE would he have to be for Disney to take the chance of keeping him??

And I personally couldn’t care less if the cast supports him. The same basic crowd that abetted Weinstein et al for years?? Can’t imagine the masses would care about that. A small set of Marvel ultra fans might be moved by that — because they care more about the product — but the masses won’t lend their endorsement much credence. At least that’s my prediction.
Agree to disagree. Personally I think its a thing to look at if the cast supports him. Casts weren't supporting Weinstein.
 
Agree to disagree. Personally I think its a thing to look at if the cast supports him. Casts weren't supporting Weinstein.
Do you really think the average person out there cares that a bunch of actors support this guy?

I’d bet that their support getting coverage will get more people to Google the exact details of what Gunn actually tweeted!! It’s why I did — I was ignoring this before. I can TOTALLY see why they fired him now.

And even if people were upset and thought Disney should keep Gunn — do you really think them firing him will actually hurt Disney in the short or long run? If not, it’s the right business decision - easily.
 
Do you really think the average person out their cares that a bunch of actors support this guy?

I’d bet that their support getting coverage will get more people to Google what Gunn actually said!! It’s why I did — I was ignoring this before.

And even if people were upset and thought Disney should keep Gunn — do you really think then firing him will actually hurt Disney in the short or long run?
Well they were just talking about the actors supporting him on TMZ so obviously someone cares.

I really don't care whether it hurts them in the long run. My point since the beginning is if its a problem now why wasn't it earlier. I truly believe Disney should not get a free pass for firing him. They knew about these tweets long ago whether they admit it or not.

We obviously don't see eye to eye and thats okay. We aren't going to change each others minds.
 
Well they were just talking about the actors supporting him on TMZ so obviously someone cares.

I really don't care whether it hurts them in the long run. My point since the beginning is if its a problem now why wasn't it earlier. I truly believe Disney should not get a free pass for firing him. They knew about these tweets long ago whether they admit it or not.

We obviously don't see eye to eye and thats okay. We aren't going to change each others minds.
Of course TMZ will cover it. My question was whether actors’ support of Gunn would cause the public to punish Disney in some way for firing him — would the masses be moved by actors’ endorsement of this guy who joked about pedophilia over Twitter in his 40’s. I’d guess no — no harm to Disney. Thus the right risk/reward calculation to fire him.

We certainly don’t need to see eye to eye! And that of course is ok!! You don’t seem to think that massive bad publicity (vs a VASTLY smaller number knowing) legitimately should change a company’s decision-making. I think it’s an obvious business reality that it does.

And if you or I were on the hook in the way their management team is, I can’t imagine why we’d decide any differently. To be nice? Because forgiveness is a virtue? Because maybe we shouldn’t have hired him to begin with, but darn it we did so we should stick by that decision and keep him? That wouldn’t be our job.

I’m happy to leave it here - I’ve more than put my two cents out there! :)
 
Of course TMZ will cover it. My question was whether actors’ support of Gunn would cause the public to punish Disney in some way for firing him — would the masses be moved by actors’ endorsement of this guy who joked about pedophilia over Twitter in his 40’s. I’d guess no — no harm to Disney. Thus the right risk/reward calculation to fire him.

We certainly don’t need to see eye to eye! And that of course is ok!! You don’t seem to think that massive bad publicity (vs a VASTLY smaller number knowing) legitimately should change a company’s decision-making. I think it’s an obvious business reality that it does.

And if you or I were on the hook in the way their management team is, I can’t imagine why we’d decide any differently. To be nice? Because maybe we shouldn’t have hired him to begging with, but darn it we did so we should stick by that decision and keep him? That wouldn’t be our job.
I am not saying he shouldn't have been fired. I am more or less saying if it is an issue he should've never been hired to begin with. Again I don't believe Disney should be looked at as the hero here. I think we have exhausted this discussion and this is my last reply to this direct conversation.
 
I am not saying he shouldn't have been fired. I am more or less saying if it is an issue he should've never been hired to begin with. Again I don't believe Disney should be looked at as the hero here. I think we have exhausted this discussion and this is my last reply to this direct conversation.
“Last reply” — ok. :)

Just FYI, we agree that Disney isn’t a hero. They took a chance and they got bitten. Now they’re backtracking. Business.
 
So what if it was 8 or 10 years ago. This man was 40 something tweeting rape jokes about children. I really find it disgusting how people are defending him. Oh please on the growth excuse. It’s no coincidence that he stopped tweeting these disgusting unfunny jokes right around the time he got a huge gig and knew he would gain a following. I hope the FBI investigates him. Years making unfunny pedo jokes and friends with a convicted pedo.

I just find it hilarious how most of the people defending him had so much to say about what others did years ago and had their pitchforks out for them but hey let’s give the 40 something year old man who finds it funny to make unfunny jokes about children being raped a 2nd chance because he directs a hit franchise.

People are such hypocrites when it comes to somebody or something they like. That’s an even bigger problem than “cancel culture”. People playing dumb when their favorite is involved but very vocal when someone they don’t like does the same thing.

Disney hiring him in the first place is problematic and I wouldn’t be shocked if an investigation happens with them (after their little stunt with LA Times)and they have more creeps like Gunn being exposed. I will agree that it is cowardly to hire scum like this and fire them because of backlash. They knew what they were getting into.

I think you're missing a lot of points.

As for the 8-or-10 years ago thing, the issue there isn't just that it was a long time ago, but that it was a time when horrible shock humor was incredibly common and popular (again, Family Guy was at its zenith at that time) and as evidenced in the article Boski linked, he had already publicly said he regretted those tweets and saw them as damaging and immature before there were consequences. Meaning he had changed as a person and as a storyteller.

I'll get my pitchfork out if what somebody did years ago actively hurt another person, like sexual harassment or abuse. But for making stupid, bad jokes that they later walked back--without prompting or consequences--because experience and learned empathy made them rethink their earlier callousness? Not so much.

Why would there be an investigation into Disney hiring him? Gunn's previous work was public knowledge. He was known in the movie industry specifically for making shockploitation films. He was semi-known on the comics side for writing the occasional gross, "playfully sexist" article (I know I wasn't thrilled with his being hired because of that).

As far as favorites being involved, let me be clear--on a personal level, I really don't care if James Gunn directs GotG3 or not. He did arright with the first two, I guess (there was still some "playful sexism" in the first one that he seems to have grown past in the second). I bet Taika Waititi could turn out something amazing for the third movie. Or really, plenty of other directors.

What worries me is that these tweets got pushed back into the public eye because of a bad-faith actor (again, an accused rapist who has publicly and proudly stated that there's "no such thing" as date rape, so...not someone who actually cares or is upset about any of Gunn's tweets) as a personal vendetta for political reasons, and who seems very likely to do that again and again (and let's face it, all comedians have some troubling jokes in their past. Should Disney not have hired Robin Williams?)

The entire cast is stupid for publicly defending him. Especially since they have young children, really can’t act , and publicly went against a giagantic company like Disney. Disney is about to own 60% of the media. They could be blackballed over this.

Huh. Then it seems like they must really believe what they're doing is right, if they're willing to publicly go against a massive company who is indeed, unfortunately, about to own the lion's share of American media. You can call that stupid, I guess. How dare they "disrespect" their corporate masters....
 
“Last reply” — ok. :)

Just FYI, we agree that Disney isn’t a hero. They took a chance and they got bitten. Now they’re backtracking. Business.

Serious question - is the last word just really that important to you? You seem to delight in badgering people with differing opinions until threads become unreadable. :confused3
 
Rumor

Disney is going to sit down with James Gunn and discuss some things, but Disney is taking its time with this.
 
Perhaps waiting to see how long the story sticks.

I think Disney is re-evaluating as they could easily see everything collapse when others start calling out Sarah Silverman, Patton Oswalt, Danny DeVito etc ... Based on what they booted Gunn for, Disney could easily look hypocritical for who they continue to choose to work with. I think they're going to pivot on this issue before it completely tanks them.

In my opinion Gunn was just bait for a bigger issue and Disney fell for it ... and now they're potentially stuck in a major trap. Cartoon Network/Adult Swim seems to have handled things much better when people went after Dan Harmon's (Rick & Morty / Community) past.
 
I think Disney is re-evaluating as they could easily see everything collapse when others start calling out Sarah Silverman, Patton Oswalt, Danny DeVito etc ... Based on what they booted Gunn for, Disney could easily look hypocritical for who they continue to choose to work with. I think they're going to pivot on this issue before it completely tanks them.

In my opinion Gunn was just bait for a bigger issue and Disney fell for it ... and now they're potentially stuck in a major trap. Cartoon Network/Adult Swim seems to have handled things much better when people went after Dan Harmon's (Rick & Morty / Community) past.
Could be! Are there really that many people in Hollywood joking about pedophilia, though? Seems like a family entertainment company might reserve some extra sensitivity for that when they think about brand... but perhaps not!
 
Could be! Are there really that many people in Hollywood joking about pedophilia, though? Seems like a family entertainment company might reserve some extra sensitivity for that when they think about brand... but perhaps not!
I think a significant number of popular comedians made blue jokes of one kind or another in electronic forums in the late naughts and early 2010 area. It was popular back then. Maybe not pedophilia, but certainly things that are considered more off limits today. I think a Zero Tolerance Policy for things from 10 years ago would leave Disney open to a lot of "gotcha" moments with all kinds of actors, voice talent, directors and more. And there is no shortage of people willing to dig this stuff up because they have an axe to grind. As I said in a previous post, I have no problems with what Disney did, but I can understand them reconsidering as well. However, I think that reconsidering just makes this a bigger story, and it seems to me to be the type of story Disney probably wishes would just go away. I expect they will handle a similar situation the next time differently.
 
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