No more Stanby line for A&E?

[momof2n2]

They also knew the magic answer with Rapunzel and Flynn. They removed Flynn. I'm betting the A/E line would die down substantially if they removed Elsa.

That would get folks out of line, I'm sure. But would they shop more or just move to 7DMT line?

 

[ErinsMommy]

I'm really going to caution anyone against making any sort of strategic plans based on how Disney is running this test. If/when the new system is implemented, it likely won't look much like how things are currently done.

Did you make a FP+ reservation for A&E that day already?

That's what I figured -- and no, so far we haven't been able to get FP+ for that day at all. We did get them toward the end of our stay although we had planned to not be in the parks at all that day, but we're re-working our plans to now make sure we're there.

 

[lovethattink]

Return times now given for 1:15 to 1:45. We were asked how many. Cm are wearing fp+ shirts that are giving them out

 

[Mad Hattered]

now that you mention it.......

My mom has never smoked a cigarette in her life. I wouldn't want nasty rumors to be started about my mom!! But in that picture you can tell that my mom had that "patented" Disney smile that Josh frequently speaks of. She was way ahead of her time.

 

[Planogirl]

Do I understand correctly that there is still a standby line after all? I thought that it was only open as a free for all early in the morning originally.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

Return times now given for 1:15 to 1:45. We were asked how many. Cm are wearing fp+ shirts that are giving them out

So an hourish after park opening and returns are 1:15-1:45. Not bad in my opinion.

 

[Bugdozer]

Return times now given for 1:15 to 1:45. We were asked how many. Cm are wearing fp+ shirts that are giving them out

Do they fill out your Das card when they give you the return ticket?

 

[Missyrose]

Do I understand correctly that there is still a standby line after all? I thought that it was only open as a free for all early in the morning originally.

Yesterday, Disney gave out return tickets with return times up to 8 p.m.. Then at 8 p.m., they re-opened the standby line.

 

[spewey]

You know, I'm a stats guy by nature, and I'm trying to do the math on this, and see how much it actually affects people who are not in the park early. It seems to me that if they have crunched the numbers properly - i.e. how many FP+s have been booked, the number of people held in the 30-minute standby line, and the throughput of the M&G, being given a return time shouldn't really alter much, except that you're free to go do other things.

What I mean is, again, if the numbers are correct, if you get to the line at, say, 11AM, and are given a return of, say, 3PM, that indicates that if you had to stay in the standby line you would have had a 4 hour wait, and wouldn't have gotten through till 3PM anyway. There is a limit to how many patrons can get in in one day. They have to cut off the line at some point - right? Assuming a constant flow (which is, admittedly, a big assumption) if you showed up at 5PM (a real late sleeper, like me 10 years ago) you might be SOL even with an unlimited standby line.

I'm not factoring in the number of people that bail from a never-ending line, as that is pretty unpredictable, but other than that, what am I missing? The dip in patron flow that occurs later in the evening that people have alluded to earlier in this thread as something they could count on vis-a-vis getting in standby might be the reason they are (could be) re-opening that line at 8PM.

I know it's a work in progress, and seemingly changing things up on the fly will always unsettle people (me included) but this just might be a real positive move. Just my $.02.

 

[Figment Mom]

You know, I'm a stats guy by nature, and I'm trying to do the math on this, and see how much it actually affects people who are not in the park early. It seems to me that if they have crunched the numbers properly - i.e. how many FP+s have been booked, the number of people held in the 30-minute standby line, and the throughput of the M&G, being given a return time shouldn't really alter much, except that you're free to go do other things.

What I mean is, again, if the numbers are correct, if you get to the line at, say, 11AM, and are given a return of, say, 3PM, that indicates that if you had to stay in the standby line you would have had a 4 hour wait, and wouldn't have gotten through till 3PM anyway. There is a limit to how many patrons can get in in one day. They have to cut off the line at some point - right? Assuming a constant flow (which is, admittedly, a big assumption) if you showed up at 5PM (a real late sleeper, like me 10 years ago) you might be SOL even with an unlimited standby line.

I'm not factoring in the number of people that bail from a never-ending line, as that is pretty unpredictable, but other than that, what am I missing? The dip in patron flow that occurs later in the evening that people have alluded to earlier in this thread as something they could count on vis-a-vis getting in standby might be the reason they are (could be) re-opening that line at 8PM.

I know it's a work in progress, and seemingly changing things up on the fly will always unsettle people (me included) but this just might be a real positive move. Just my $.02.

I think that there are probably many people who will get the standby passes now that wouldn't have been willing to wait in a 3 hour (or 90 minute+) line.

So my guess is that, probably, people who arrive late to the park but would have been willing to wait in a standby line may not be able to get passes. They are really the ones the new system is negatively impacting. Does that make sense? Although I think Disney is mitigating this some by reopening standby at night.

I know the numbers don't compare, but I want to use JTA as a comparison because ds has no interest in A&E so we won't wait in line, get a standby pass, and haven't tried for a FP+ for them, but JTA is probably the thing he most wants to do during our entire trip. I know that the way JTA is set up, we pretty much have to get there at RD to get a spot. And that doesn't bother me at all because I know what to expect!

I think if this A&E system continues, that overall it is about as fair as it can get. The people I feel bad for are the ones that showed up on the 23rd in the afternoon, had planned to just wait in a really long standby line, and were shut out.

 

[lovethattink]

Do they fill out your Das card when they give you the return ticket?

Bug, I didn't even think to ask, sorry. I'll be back Monday night. I'll ask then.

 

[DisneyKidds]

I'd imagine equal numbers of people will be helped and hurt by this. Who will it really help? This all assumes groups that couldn't get FP+. The group that benefits the most are the ones who wanted to to see A&E but said 'no $&@"ing way am I waiting in line for 4 hours'. Now they don't have to, all they have to do is make sure they show up in time to get a return pass. Those that are hurt the most? The poor wretched souls who were willing to show up at 1:00 in the afternoon and wait for 4 hours. IMHO that is misguided in sooooo many ways, but people did it. Who am I to judge? Those people are truly SOL. You gotta admire the dedication and commitment (or need to be committed) of those people, and I feel for them. However, this new system will create as many (or more) fans than it does detractors.

Another group that may benefit are those with a FP+ who may be willing to go for the Standby Return ticket, get a reasonable time, then scrap the A&E FP+ to get one somewhere else. It's like adding a 4th FP+, with a little longer line on return. I might consider that, but I would never use both. I can't see why someone would need to see them twice, especially at the expense of someone getting to see them at all.

 

[ziravan]

You know, I'm a stats guy by nature, and I'm trying to do the math on this, and see how much it actually affects people who are not in the park early. It seems to me that if they have crunched the numbers properly - i.e. how many FP+s have been booked, the number of people held in the 30-minute standby line, and the throughput of the M&G, being given a return time shouldn't really alter much, except that you're free to go do other things.

What I mean is, again, if the numbers are correct, if you get to the line at, say, 11AM, and are given a return of, say, 3PM, that indicates that if you had to stay in the standby line you would have had a 4 hour wait, and wouldn't have gotten through till 3PM anyway. There is a limit to how many patrons can get in in one day. They have to cut off the line at some point - right? Assuming a constant flow (which is, admittedly, a big assumption) if you showed up at 5PM (a real late sleeper, like me 10 years ago) you might be SOL even with an unlimited standby line.

I'm not factoring in the number of people that bail from a never-ending line, as that is pretty unpredictable, but other than that, what am I missing? The dip in patron flow that occurs later in the evening that people have alluded to earlier in this thread as something they could count on vis-a-vis getting in standby might be the reason they are (could be) re-opening that line at 8PM.

I know it's a work in progress, and seemingly changing things up on the fly will always unsettle people (me included) but this just might be a real positive move. Just my $.02.

You're missing the number of people that will take a pass, but wouldn't have otherwise waited in line.

I've thought about this for a few says now, and I've finally figured out what bothers me so much about this new system.

If only 2-5% of MK guests can possibly see the sisters each day, then it should be reserved for those MOST motivated to do so. Standing in line is an investment. Paying for onsite and logging in at 60 days at midnight (and all the time spent getting up to speed to figure out the best strategy to secure a FP+) is an investment.

Picking up a pass doesn't require any investment. This means that getting in is now much more chance than motivation.

Yes, if you're really motivated, you can be there at rope drop (and the practical effect of this is to increase crowds early. They won't all go to the long line at 7DMT. A good chunk of them are going to grab their passes and head to SM). The bottom line is that every person that grabs a pass just because they can takes a spot from somebody willing to wait (and thus more motivated).

If they are going to keep this, then they need to make Akershus a 2 credit Sister Breakfast. They need some other venue for those motivated to access the girls.

 

[lovethattink]

Did anybody mention where to pick up the tickets? I was under the impression it was on the other side of the carousel. It's not. It's at the corner where the gift shop use to be when the snow white ride was there.

 

[maddiebee]

Has anyone posted what the "moderate wait" has been like

 

[ArwenMarie]

Yesterday, Disney gave out return tickets with return times up to 8 p.m.. Then at 8 p.m., they re-opened the standby line.

That's interesting...did the standby line then get a huge wait?

Maybe that's a good compromise. Sort of a last chance for the day for the late arrivals.

 

[Good Morning Dewdrop]

That's interesting...did the standby line then get a huge wait?

Maybe that's a good compromise. Sort of a last chance for the day for the late arrivals.

I agree doing "regular" standby 8 pm and later gives the 'sleepers in' a chance at seeing them too..


Alternatively maybe next week we can test a new system- split the sisters up into different areas of Fairytale Hall - Anna meets with Rapunzel via one line and Elsa with Cinderella via another and see what that does to the lines

 

[lovethattink]

That's interesting...did the standby line then get a huge wait?

Maybe that's a good compromise. Sort of a last chance for the day for the late arrivals.

A couple pages back, someone posted a video of the line after 8pm last night.

 

[spewey]

You're missing the number of people that will take a pass, but wouldn't have otherwise waited in line.QUOTE]

No, I considered this. Just as there are (as has been pointed out) people who will take a pass, change their mind, and never use it. But that doesn't matter - the total number of patrons who can access the M&G stays the same. Who can (probably) changes. This system does not lower capacity - if done right.

Those most affected - again, theoretically - are those (as mentioned above) that planned on arriving in the afternoon and waiting in standby for 3-4 hours, only to find out that is not an option, and that all the return times are gone (or, wait 'till 8PM). But I've gotta believe that if you're willing to do that, you're probably willing to get to the park early enough to get a Standby+.

This will still shut out those who are unaware of the new system. I would hope Disney would make an effort to publicize this change, should it become permanent.

 

[lovethattink]

Here is the ticket distribution area: This is looking at the exit

Closer view, again, the exit.

CM explaining to DS how it works.

The tickets were handed out in order.