No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[ronandannette]

I have yet to find an adblocker that works on my mobile version of Chrome (Android or iOS).

You may be right. I use Chrome on my laptop and Safari on my iPad - adbock plus works great on both of them.

 

[SensesFailed]

Actually, the lighter and matches not being allowed is no longer a “thing”. You can board an aircraft with all of the above. The TSA keeps everyone on their toes! Lol. I fly almost weekly and things change frequently but the lighters and matches have stayed on the OK list for at least the past 5 years.

The only lighters I know you can't bring on are Torch lighters, filled or not. Other than that, like you said, they should be allowed, but with TSA, you get that one guy and suddenly you are out lighters, matches and whatever else.

 

[Col.W.Deering]

I just realized that the reason for only giving 30 days notice about the smoking ban, is tied into profits.
Summer is filled with people who already made their plans, and August will be filled with Star Wars fans. So no economic changes will be noticed by the smoking ban.
Smart Disney...very smart.

 

[DISNEY1975]

Yeah. Do you really think drug addicts don’t have jobs? They may not be bus drivers but I know attorneys cpas admins etc who have or had a drug problem and still worked. And when it’s treated as a medical condition and not a crime are treated differently

Clearly they have never watched the Wolf of Wall Street!! Or follow TMZ !!

Calm down - all you need to do is install an adblocker. You can download one for free - just google it. And FWIW, you would not be seeing tooth ads (or toenail fungus ads @TipsyTraveler ) if you hadn't searched for similar things on your own computer at some point.

Im sure I have never searched for either of the above and I get the tooth implant AD occassionally! I also get Belks ads at the top though! I kind of like that!

Additionally, my Aunt is a manager of a very popular nationwide retailer. Their employment policy strictly states that no store employee should ever try to stop or engage with anyone shoplifting, even if they are blatantly walking out with a TV. They are to call police and never engage for the above reason. Termination is immediate for anyone who tries to engage a shoplifter because it puts the whole store, all employees and customers at risk of unknown dangers.

I work at the HQ of a very popular nationwide retailer and its the same policy at our stores (which your aunt may work at..probably not, we dont sell TVs), but they can follow them around the store and sound the door alarm at the entrance to check a receipt.

Your approach is fabulous. I think it’s shameful for all of that hate put on “smokers” in this thread. It hurts my heart that people just because they don’t like it or don’t agree can belittle and throw out their thoughts, opinions, solutions so rudely. (There have been some that had lovely and compassionate replies so credit given where credit due <3).

I agree. I always try to put myself in everyones shoes. While I think the ban is fine, I know I can only say that because I dont smoke. Instead of everyone saying "Great...you should quit anyway etc.." Try "Im sorry about the new ban, I know it will be difficult for you". Simple. But people will always be people.
In a perfect world, Disney would have given more notice. As much as people are saying they dont have to..they can do what they want... Would it be the same if they just dished out $7000 + on their vacation and Disney decided to go dry next month? Some enjoy a glass of wine at dinner, especially on vacation! What if Disney said starting next month, we will only accept credit cards as a form of payment? Ive seen many many posts of people questioning how to use their gift cards and how much of a hold on their debit card etc... Regardless of what the change is, it will affect some people and others should have a little sympathy.

 

[luvsJack]

Yeah, my DF/USMC and a smoker ( later quit cold turkey), would bring home "c" rations and they had a pack of 4 cigarettes in them. He passed away at the age 0f 86 5 years ago. His Dad and Brother both died of lung cancer.

My dad died but not from cancer. Heart attack. Doc said it could have been the smoking but just as likely it was hereditary since both of his parents died close to the same age and from heart issues. The smoking of course didn’t help at all.

But he smoked from the time he was about 18/19 and joined the USAF until the day he died. He tried to quit. Said he felt miserable and he would rather not spend his life miserable. He did stop cigarettes for a long time and smoked a pipe. Apple tobacco. Always loved the smell of that stuff.

 

[Colleen27]

What a horrible classification!!! So presumptive! I know far more white collar professionals that smoke than blue collar. Probably because smoking is an expensive habit!

My father smokes and you can’t get anymore white collar than he. When I was younger I would “bum” a smoke once in awhile when out with friends and even at that “younger” stage (mid 20’s) I had a graduate degree and was already making deep into 6 figures with zero debt.

Horrible, horrible, horrible!

It is a generalization based on data, not a personal judgment or condemnation. The smoking rate for Americans with a GED is NINE TIMES the rate for Americans with a graduate degree. Income-wise, the rate for people earning less than $35K/year is twice what it is for people making $70K or more. There are, of course, exceptions - someone makes up that single-digit percentage of educated, higher-earning Americans who smoke - but smokers as a whole are a lower-income, less educated group than the population as a whole.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I forgot to mention, if any smoker, wagon user or ice bringer has a Cali Grill brunch ADR for 3 on 08/11 or 08/18, I highly suggest you cancel your trip and boycott Disney (just let me know when you do)

 

[LSUmiss]

I'm with you. Not happy about this. The only saving grace is next time we go, my youngest will over 7. I can't even imagine trying to handle 3 kids under 7 while my husband has to go out the gates to smoke, then wait for him to come back. I hope they have a special entrance so the smokers can get back inside quickly to their families.

Doubtful. I think the point is to highly discourage smoking & make it as big a PIA as they can. There are some who are so addicted that they’ll go through whatever hoops necessary to smoke but a lot won’t. I think it’ll cut down on the overall amount of smokers in the DSAs.

 

[Col.W.Deering]

It is a generalization based on data, not a personal judgment or condemnation. The smoking rate for Americans with a GED is NINE TIMES the rate for Americans with a graduate degree. Income-wise, the rate for people earning less than $35K/year is twice what it is for people making $70K or more. There are, of course, exceptions - someone makes up that single-digit percentage of educated, higher-earning Americans who smoke - but smokers as a whole are a lower-income, less educated group than the population as a whole.

Why all this talk about the economic classification and generalizations about people who smoke?
It's almost as if people are responding with these economic "facts" as a reason why there won't be any impact on Disney's bottom line.
Perhaps it somehow justifies the condemnation of smokers. It's as if it is being suggested that lower socio-economic groups need to be "guided" in their personal substance choices.
Disney treated these people with no regard. Giving 30 days notice is a joke.

 

[Magical2017]

Doubtful. I think the point is to highly discourage smoking & make it as big a PIA as they can. There are some who are so addicted that they’ll go through whatever hoops necessary to smoke but a lot won’t. I think it’ll cut down on the overall amount of smokers in the DSAs.

It DEFINTELY sounds like a PIA, and with small kids I would also not want to deal with it (but I am not a smoker). I do think it is a matter of getting used to the rule. Also, there are plenty of families that handle parks like the San Diego Zoo, which is smoke free. I read that you cannot even smoke in the parking lot. Over 4 million visited the zoo in 2018 (and 1.5 million visited the Safari, also smoke free). While this is only a small fraction of visitors who visit the Disney parks, it can be managed.

 

[Summer2018]

I forgot to mention, if any smoker, wagon user or ice bringer has a Cali Grill brunch ADR for 3 on 08/11 or 08/18, I highly suggest you cancel your trip and boycott Disney (just let me know when you do)

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It DEFINTELY sounds like a PIA, and with small kids I would also not want to deal with it (but I am not a smoker). I do think it is a matter of getting used to the rule. Also, there are plenty of families that handle parks like the San Diego Zoo, which is smoke free. I read that you cannot even smoke in the parking lot. Over 4 million visited the zoo in 2018 (and 1.5 million visited the Safari, also smoke free). While this is only a small fraction of visitors who visit the Disney parks, it can be managed.

While not in the same fashion of going to theme parks it's honestly interesting to me when my family and friends talk about the days of smoking in restaurants. It's been a while but not ridiculously long ago that you were asked "smoking or non".

In terms of places around here cities without the ban became havens for those who still wanted to smoke until inevitable those cities adopted the bans too. An adjustment period did for sure happen but now it's actually hard to remember those olden days.

Now the new thing is raising the purchasing age which some cities in my area already have from age 18 to age 21 though you are still able to smoke at age 18 just not purchase it in those cities. I don't know if all the cities though will become purchasing age of 21 though.

In any case I'm sure they will treat the no-smoking procedures with fluid action. Could be they adjust where they are located at outside the parks, could be they adjust the reentry area, etc as they observe guest behaviors, guest complaints and guest appreciations with this new norm.

 

[dish rag]

Why all this talk about the economic classification and generalizations about people who smoke?
It's almost as if people are responding with these economic "facts" as a reason why there won't be any impact on Disney's bottom line.
Perhaps it somehow justifies the condemnation of smokers. It's as if it is being suggested that lower socio-economic groups need to be "guided" in their personal substance choices.
Disney treated these people with no regard. Giving 30 days notice is a joke.

I think what Colleen is pointing out is that a good percentage of smokers in the United States are low income earners. That’s a fact. Low income earners typically aren’t taking vacations to the Disney parks. Nothing she said did I take as condemning any one. She stated that her own husband smokes.

 

[superme80]

Doubtful. I think the point is to highly discourage smoking & make it as big a PIA as they can. There are some who are so addicted that they’ll go through whatever hoops necessary to smoke but a lot won’t. I think it’ll cut down on the overall amount of smokers in the DSAs.

I don't think so. People will just have less family time because they are out smoking, or more will just light up wherever.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

I wonder if DCL will ban it altogether at some point as well. That would be great!

I don't understand the concern that foreign visitors will now abandon the parks because other parts of the world are more used to being able to still smoke around the general population. If those foreign visitors are at DW, doesn't that mean they had to tolerate a many-hour plane flight without their "fix" ? Therefore, they shouldn't have an issue. Further, if US park visitors are so upset that now they will just go to Disney Paris, since smoking is more okay there for now, don't they also need a 7-8 hour plane flight (where they will not be able to get their fix)? How will they manage that if they can't manage a few hours in the Orlando parks?

 

[amberpi]

I wonder if DCL will ban it altogether at some point as well. That would be great!

I don't understand the concern that foreign visitors will now abandon the parks because other parts of the world are more used to being able to still smoke around the general population. If those foreign visitors are at DW, doesn't that mean they had to tolerate a many-hour plane flight without their "fix" ? Therefore, they shouldn't have an issue. Further, if US park visitors are so upset that now they will just go to Disney Paris, since smoking is more okay there for now, don't they also need a 7-8 hour plane flight (where they will not be able to get their fix)? How will they manage that if they can't manage a few hours in the Orlando parks?

They sleep during flights and wear patches. It’s not pleasant. But that’s not day after day. I’m the one who has most mentioned dlp, but only because we will be traveling to Paris annually anyway, or at least starting next year when we think the kids can do it. 2 young kids and a smoker dh, that’s going to be a great flight.

 

[Diznygrl]

I dunno, I’m getting tooth implant ads too and I’m positive I haven’t ever searched for that. I do think ads can be targeted towards key words in thread discussions. I’ve noticed before that I’ll start getting ads for luggage on travel-related threads, etc. One time someone was complaining about ads of the “adult variety” and of course everyone ridiculed the OP for bringing it upon himself but, sure enough, soon those types of ads were popping up for me on that thread.

Sorry to go off topic but yeah, people are always saying that the ads have to do with your search history, but I have yet to have a single ad on these boards that has anything to do with anything I've ever searched for. Mostly they're just completely random or either something to do with key words in whatever thread you're reading. I'm thinking the tooth implant ads people are seeing here probably have to do with the fact that this is a thread about smoking (messes up your teeth).

 

[mnrose]

30 years ago when I started, the idea of smoking as a health-hazard was just starting to emerge (think about your Surgeon General's report in the late '80s). Although it wasn't encouraged, smoking was totally not presented as the huge, stupid risk we now know it to be. Certainly many people opposed it but mostly on moral or visceral grounds.

Seriously? I was WELL AWARE of the dangers of smoking from the time I was a teenager. I am 60. So, since at least 1976..or 40+ years ago.

 

[PlainJane]

And then go to your job?

I know a lot of former addicts (members of a recovery program at my old church), and it is not at all uncommon for an addict to have a job. They would of course have to have a job that doesn’t do drug testing.

It wasn’t even unheard of to have a high paying job.

 

[LSUmiss]

I think what Colleen is pointing out is that a good percentage of smokers in the United States are low income earners. That’s a fact. Low income earners typically aren’t taking vacations to the Disney parks. Nothing she said did I take as condemning any one. She stated that her own husband smokes.

I also thought about the demographics of smokers & when I first heard thought maybe it was an attempt by wdw to control who is in the parks. If it’s not a direct attempt to do that, I don’t think they are concerned at all about whether this demographic is upset about the change.