No Fifth Park at WDW?

Exactly what I was thinking! We were @ the POP in April (First time staying on-site), and looking over to the unfinished side was kind of depressing! LOL! Although....I wonder what Icons could be used for 50 years that included 2 wars and a depression! LOL!


Until next time,
John
 
When we were at WDW two weeks ago one of the bus drivers said they were planning on 2 new parks and 10 new resorts by 2010. Maybe he was including the new park opening in Hong Kong, although he kept talking about how much property they own there in Orlando. Then I saw that article in the Orlando Sentinel. I too would like to see them add some new rides in the existing parks.

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HesATramp said:
Exactly what I was thinking! We were @ the POP in April (First time staying on-site), and looking over to the unfinished side was kind of depressing! LOL! Although....I wonder what Icons could be used for 50 years that included 2 wars and a depression! LOL!
Until next time,
John

John,

LOL! but the 50's, 60's and so on...had some wars too (disney does look the other way on that).
Just recently on these boards, someone posted at Dis artist conception of what the 30's would look like....it was BIG Monopoly boards..etc.

Hey sounds like a new thread in the making...."when the POP Century decides to finish the early years...what should the icons be????? Whadda ya think? :cool1:
 
The article makes a good point but so much of Disney's strategy is something by surprise. Disney knows exactly what it needs to do and right now, Disney is not short of money or crowds. In fact, this will probably turn out the be the best profiting year since the new millenium, probably the last decade. In any case, Disney is still the number 1 vacation destination in America.
 

Maybe we are different than many Disney repeat visitors but it seems that , although we ablsolutly love the theme parks, we are looking at the resort end of the vacation more closely. What I mean by that is that we want the nice restaurants and clubs(great food, nice drink good music etc), we want to spend more time doing resort activities (swimming, boating ,fishing, biking, etc,) and spend more time relaxing. Therefore, adding a new twist and cleaning up the 4 theme parks is just fine with us. So the vacation is much different than 20 years. What do any of you think?
 
Trying to get guests to stay longer and spend more?

Hence:
the DVC discount on Annual passes,
the opening up of Disney Dining to out of state AP holders,
the Best Rate program for AP holders
the expanding windows for special events
the MYW ticket options

coincidence or calculated strategies ?
temporary juicing for the 50th, or part of a longer term plan designed to increase lenght of stays while spending more over their stay?
 
I read recently that the reason Pop has not been completed is that it is very difficult to hire employees with the unemployment rate so low in central Florida.
That could be another reason Disney will not be building another theme park in the near future (besides the massive cost).
I agree with everyone else that they should concentrate on improving the current parks and updating areas like Tomorrowland in the MK.
They also need to add more sit down restaurants in and outside the parks.
 
I like the idea of not building a 5th park, instead building a 3rd water park and a few "minor" attractions...
 
Personally, as much as I'd like to see another park area added, I think it's more important for Disney to concentrate on improving the current parks (hiring back CM's that were laid off awhile back, performing whatever maintenance work that may be needed, adding a few more attractions to existing parks, etc.). After these things have been done, then maybe they can start thinking about adding a new park.
 
What they should do is figure out a way to manage the crowds--they might not be able to do what universal does with front of the line access, but they should offer some sort of perk to guests staying onsite. Of course, I don't have any solutions!
 
A lot of things to discuss with this...

First, its curious that, according to the article, visitation to the area is at record levels, yet WDW's attendance is not. Meaning that tourism is most definitely no longer the issue, its rather the competition is taking business away from Disney.

Now, Disney would have us believe that this proves that building a new park will not generate proportionate growth. After all, they built AK but have lost market share and failed to reach attendance levels of only a few years ago.

But how can we be sure that its really just a case of the market dictating that 4 parks is enough? What if Disney had built MGM to the same scope as MK/Epcot? What if they had done the same with AK? Forget whether we like what is there, I'm just talking about the scope of the park. The size, the number of things to do, etc. Certainly they had the capital to do so, as they invested billions in other business areas, some with "sub-par" results.

One of two things would have occurred. The company would have you believe that they would have been simply throwing away more money. But the other possibility is that greater growth would have been attained. And if that had been the case, a 5th park would not be such a ridiculous proposition right now.

Its a hypothetical that is impossible to answer definitively, of course. But I truly believe that sticking with the original, proven philosophy of raising the bar, and trying to exceed guest expectations would have yielded better returns than building parks sized to meet a specific marketing goal.

But, since we are where we are, I agree that the current parks should be the focus. Partly because MGM and AK were opened with far less than they ever should have been opened with. Partly because Epcot has been allowed to stagnate far more than it every should have. And partly because current management obviously does not see the true fault with the "build a park to add a day" philosophy.


On the "growth through marketing strategies", I don't have a problem with that per say. However, it has to be remembered that the bottom line is people come for the product, and changing pricing strategies does not change the product. So sure, its fine to re-price things and make offers to get people to stay longer, but that has to happen along with keeping the demand up for the product itself. And that can only happen through capital investment.

Is $1 billion enough to actually maintain that demand? Is it realistic to "limit spending below the lofty $1 billion level that the division enjoyed in earlier years", when there are more parks and resorts on which to spend, and as those parks and resorts age?

I seriously doubt it.


Regarding the parks cyclical nature due to economic and tourism downturns, coupled with high fixed costs, I agree with that. Its true that the movie and tv divisions are not impacted as much by these. However, its also true that the parks benefit from upturns more than these other divisions. The parks are also not as susceptible to the wild year to year swings that the tv and especially film divisions can experience.

Again, something to keep in mind when considering current investment. Cut it too short and it can take years of spending to catch up.
 
NO new Park NO new ship I guess what they say is true "THERE IS LIFE AFTER DISNEY" . I still go to Disney, but not like I use to, there are just to many other things to do and life is short! As the above poster said the parks are aging. Also thier two cruise ships are getting worn and old. They need to build a new ship soon as it takes an average of 3 years before it can sail. I still have a weak spot for the parks that will always be there :earsboy:
 
I was just in Disney in July and on one of my many bus rides to and from the parks the bus driver was talking about the size of Disney with another bus passenger who was astounded at the sheer size of the land that Disney owns and he was telling her that there were plans for a fifth park in the making but after 9/11 the park was put on hold. He didnt say anything about the theme for the park or if it would ever be built, but there definitely were plans for one. I dont know how true this is because as with anything Disney if you ask 12 CMs the same question you get 12 different answers. Just try asking the boat captains at POR what is being done, if anything, with the TreeHouse Villas. They each have a different theory, answer, rumor, etc.
 
One thing you can assume is that ALL plans are being rethought now that Disney is Under New Management. My guess is that, with MGM and Animal Kingdom unfinished and the international area of Epcot stagnating, management will see more value in improving those areas than in opening up yet another half-day park.
 
The reality is that they have far more information about us than we have about them. There is a lot of logic in four parks being enough -- heck, I'd have guessed that three parks were enough. Beyond a certain point (i.e., the amount of time people have available for vacations, based on what their jobs and personal situations would permit), more attractions won't make most people stay longer. Also, there is no question that there will be a point of diminishing returns beyond which more attractions won't increase attendance enough to make it the most profitable use of capital. If the issue was capacity, the best use of resources would be to increase the capacity of existing attractions, not build new ones.

So, the only question is what is that certain point, and again, they know more about us than we know about them.

I have full confidence that Disney under Bob Iger will continue the responsible management practices of Disney under Michael Eisner, and not fall victim to any "more is always better" philosophy.
 
rocketriter said:
One thing you can assume is that ALL plans are being rethought now that Disney is Under New Management. My guess is that, with MGM and Animal Kingdom unfinished and the international area of Epcot stagnating, management will see more value in improving those areas than in opening up yet another half-day park.
I concur with the fact that Disney is now under new management and certain projects that were put on hold need to be reinstated and/or projects that were "scrapped" need to be reconsidered and put those projects back on the drawing board. Wouldn't be interesting if Disney actually created surveys for the general public or at least Annual Passholders via online or postage mail to get different views and pespectives on all of the projects that Disney has post-Eisner?
 
mo3 said:
What they should do is figure out a way to manage the crowds--they might not be able to do what universal does with front of the line access, but they should offer some sort of perk to guests staying onsite. Of course, I don't have any solutions!
In regards to the "Front of the line" access that Universal Studios offer, Disney is considering a similar idea in conjunction with the current Fastpass system with a few twists. Read more here.....
 
Wouldn't be interesting if Disney actually created surveys for the general public or at least Annual Passholders via online or postage mail to get different views and pespectives on all of the projects that Disney has post-Eisner?
I've been solicited for feedback about recent WDW trips twice in the last few years. I have no reason to believe that Iger will stop such surveying.
 
DISNEY4FUN said:
I agree that a fifth park isn't needed at the moment. It's impossible to see it all now. I always thought that AK wasn't finished yet. I assume there is a lot of work still to be done in AK.
Even though Animal Kingdom isn't completed, the plumbing issue that the park now faces will really put future plans on hold.
 
wdwgoofeeee said:
I read recently that the reason Pop has not been completed is that it is very difficult to hire employees with the unemployment rate so low in central Florida.
That could be another reason Disney will not be building another theme park in the near future (besides the massive cost).
I agree with everyone else that they should concentrate on improving the current parks and updating areas like Tomorrowland in the MK.
They also need to add more sit down restaurants in and outside the parks.
There is a possibility since Disney is outsourcing overnight cleaning jobs for the resorts, that outsourcing, when employess are hard to locate, could solve Disney's issues in terms of finding more employees to fill vacancies.
 


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