News Round Up 2016

[skier_pete]

This is it to a T

What? We agree again. I am much disturbed.

 

[beer dave]

The cheapest regular studio at OKW can run you between 10 points a night and as high as 26, though typically between 10-19 per night outside of high season. The most "expensive" studios at Poly and Grand Floridian (lake view) are 20-42 points per night, depending on the season.

. Even if you went with smaller accommodations, they aren't going to want to sell less than 8-16 points per night - the cost would just be TOO low. . I don't want to come off like a DVC snob or anything, because we spent a lot of years staying at moderates and enjoyed them very much, but doubt they very much want to add a DVC property that's a "lesser" property. They also would have to price it SOOO low. In order to make it compare favorable to just renting a moderate room, you would have to price it so the point costs per night only come out to $50-125 per night in maintenance fees costs - and quite honestly Disney would not look at that as profitable enough.

What I more picture is a resort similar to OKW or SSR - not a true moderate, but not as luxe as say VGF or Poly. Points would be in the same range as those resorts - not some lower rate.

And what that would do for Disney would be to add points for sale at a lower point per stay home resort, such as SSR, OKW,? (which they have only RFR stock, if any). For years they have been heading towards the more elite stays, but maybe are trying to round out the options. This would also help them with peoples desire to buy resale for less expense.

Hey-- if you buy 100 points at CBR, you can stay for 10 nights at your home resort with the 11 month booking, not having to fight for availability, and you get full benefits of DVC (whatever that is worth is subjective)

And for only 16k--- Sounds like the sales pitch writes itself.....

 

[lockedoutlogic]

What? We agree again. I am much disturbed.

We have actually never been in more complete agreement on this one...symbiosis

I just know what I know about DVC...myself...the history...

Even if the old guard says "we'll try it once" and says "it was nice..." After they stay...

...they will go back to OKW, beach club, blt in a New York minute (no pun intended)...

So how do you engineer this to work? Honestly...the best way is lower tier points that can't be traded out...maybe a "surcharge"
For OKW and ssr and a "premium" for the others to discourage non-home bookings?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

And what that would do for Disney would be to add points for sale at a lower point per stay home resort, such as SSR, OKW,? (which they have only RFR stock, if any). For years they have been heading towards the more elite stays, but maybe are trying to round out the options. This would also help them with peoples desire to buy resale for less expense.

Hey-- if you buy 100 points at CBR, you can stay for 10 nights at your home resort with the 11 month booking, not having to fight for availability, and you get full benefits of DVC (whatever that is worth is subjective)

And for only 16k--- Sounds like the sales pitch writes itself.....

I'm sure they'll try...

But did anyone see the guy who bought "kenpollack.com" in April when they yanked the benefits from resale?

It's all spelled out beautifully there...they sold half as many points monthly at $160 a point than they did at $135...with no major overall economic upheaval.

That's the truth under the smoke: they have overpriced the points and now that's gonna take time to catch up to "expand the program"

Unless...they start to lower the price/quality of the product.

It's time to have a seance and get savedisney.com back up again...

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Just an FYI that the Star Wars Dessert Party is now bookable through the end of July and starting July 10th the actual party will take place inside the Star Wars Launch Bay and they you will be escorted out to the viewing area

Wonder if this means the actual roped off viewing area is changing in size to allow for more room with good view for other people

I am actually kind of excited for it to be inside the launch bay - be even cooler if characters are then part of it (but no mention of that)

Edit, per the HUB: Guests are immersed in the Star Wars experience, surrounded by photo opportunities, exciting exhibits and thrilling character encounters.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

And what that would do for Disney would be to add points for sale at a lower point per stay home resort, such as SSR, OKW,? (which they have only RFR stock, if any). For years they have been heading towards the more elite stays, but maybe are trying to round out the options. This would also help them with peoples desire to buy resale for less expense.

Hey-- if you buy 100 points at CBR, you can stay for 10 nights at your home resort with the 11 month booking, not having to fight for availability, and you get full benefits of DVC (whatever that is worth is subjective)

And for only 16k--- Sounds like the sales pitch writes itself.....

Timing wise it could be interesting too if they are trying to "lock in" people at a lower price point before Universal gets a 3rd gate (or 4th if you count Volcano Bay) and becomes a full week long destination

 

[lockedoutlogic]

$175 a point
6/Pts week night
$4.50 maintenance fees

Over 7 years (standard) DVC pay back, comes to $177/night for an updated moderate. Not great not bad for customer.

For Disney they get on a point / maint fee about 18% cash to cash. Deluxe DVCs are closer to 25% - but without the food and deluxe amenities? I can see them giving this a go. I'm going with sub 8 point value season studios and points priced the same.

$177 a night for Caribbean is frankly insane. It is and will continue to be for some time.

The people are so desperate to be happy they drink the sand...

I am shocked that people line up to pay $200+ a night for moderates to get "free dining". That's Hampton Inn quality for intercontinental pricing.

I estimate my first studio (beach club) booked under our contract (for a wedding that was a near repeat of ours years before where I made the California grill bar "bleed"...good story for another day) was about $140 ish a night in relative costs.

There's just little value there...especially since they turned the crank on the tickets, the food, the cost for air...

 

[Iowamomof4]

Everyone keeps talking about how they could connect the new dvc resort to Epcot. I wonder if this could be related to the Star Wars expansion. With the new DHS entrance going in, CBR will be just across the road from there and there aren't really any resorts that are currently connected to DHS. I know the Epcot area resorts are, but they're much closer to Epcot. This one could be marketed to fans of all the new things coming to DHS. Just a thought.

 

[skier_pete]

And what that would do for Disney would be to add points for sale at a lower point per stay home resort, such as SSR, OKW,? (which they have only RFR stock, if any). For years they have been heading towards the more elite stays, but maybe are trying to round out the options. This would also help them with peoples desire to buy resale for less expense.

Hey-- if you buy 100 points at CBR, you can stay for 10 nights at your home resort with the 11 month booking, not having to fight for availability, and you get full benefits of DVC (whatever that is worth is subjective)

And for only 16k--- Sounds like the sales pitch writes itself.....

This is a risky balance though - part of the appeal of DVC is "luxury accommodation at moderate prices". In this secnario, what they are selling is "moderate accommodation at moderate prices". A dangerous choice: Even in year scenario of 100 point contracts, are people going to spend $17,000+ to buy in to a moderate accommodation? It's the exact OPPOSITE of what DVC has been doing the last 5-6 years.

Even if the old guard says "we'll try it once" and says "it was nice..." After they stay...

...they will go back to OKW, beach club, blt in a New York minute (no pun intended)...

I agree (again) - the savings of 10 points versus 14 points a night - people that are already bought in won't want to downgrade. Will the owners at CBR be willing to upgrade?

It's all spelled out beautifully there...they sold half as many points monthly at $160 a point than they did at $135...with no major overall economic upheaval.

That's the truth under the smoke: they have overpriced the points and now that's gonna take time to catch up to "expand the program"

Unless...they start to lower the price/quality of the product.

Lowering the price is the only option - lowering the quality is dangerous. They are unlikely to do either.

Timing wise it could be interesting too if they are trying to "lock in" people at a lower price point before Universal gets a 3rd gate (or 4th if you count Volcano Bay) and becomes a full week long destination

I think you give Disney too much credit. I still think what we will see is that they will use the infrastructure of CBR but build a separate resort of higher quality. As I said - picture an SSR level resort. Having direct access to epcot would be a big sell point.

 

[Fantasia79]

There's no way they're building a new moderate resort at the new pricing model.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Everyone keeps talking about how they could connect the new dvc resort to Epcot. I wonder if this could be related to the Star Wars expansion. With the new DHS entrance going in, CBR will be just across the road from there and there aren't really any resorts that are currently connected to DHS. I know the Epcot area resorts are, but they're much closer to Epcot. This one could be marketed to fans of all the new things coming to DHS. Just a thought.

A connection to studios is a defacfo connection to Epcot as well.

I think that's where they'll go

 

[lockedoutlogic]

There's no way they're building a new moderate resort at the new pricing model.

That's the big question...isn't it?

 

[AnnaKat]

They could...

But here's the problem: they created this system based on their own hotel "tiers"...

...they can no longer sell their deluxe rooms at the rates. Out kicked their coverage there about 10 years ago.

So they convert to DVC...but jack up the costs and the points...

From recent rumors...that may not be doing well either anymore. Poly is not flying off the shelfs and they are committed to wilderness lodge.

So now...go "backwards"? Sell Caribbean at $75 a point...charge 6 points a night?

Nope...they'll want $150 a point and want you to book at 10 or 11 a night and tell you what a deal it is...

The water is starting to leak through the cracks of the DVC damn.

Quite simply...and I know it as well as anyone...Caribbean does not provide enough of an allure to the established DVC base. Neither the convenience or the facilities. Even canals to Epcot AND mgm may not be enough.

And the canal to Epcot would have to connect onto the crescent lake near boardwalk to get access. That could be long cruises.

I agree. So maybe Disney will create a Tier 2 DVC with the Caribbean Beach DVC.
They could promote & sell it @ "half" the cost of Copper Creek or the Poly--say $100 per point,
with only a 100 point buy-in required. Yes, & only 6 points per week night.

However, the canal(s) would not be enough of a draw.
They would have to say build a Storm Along Bay type mini-waterpark(with no pool hopping allowed),
maybe include a Trader Sam's -type lounge, & Dole whip stand.
And a special table service restaurant.

As a Tier 2 DVC, owners could ONLY book @ Tier 2(MORE Tier 2 such as FQ going DVC?).
AND to keep potential buyers from buying NON-direct DVC,
such as $100 per point for a 100 AKV contract that WOULD allow booking outside of home resort @ 7 months,
Disney would have to restrict Resales to HOME RESORT ONLY.

AND for the Caribbean Beach NON-DVC guests in the hotel rooms to SHARE amenities,
such as the SAB-type mini-water park, Disney would have to create a NEW tier of hotel rooms.
They would no longer be classified as moderates, but a NEW class between Deluxe & Moderate would be created.
The same rooms that currently go for $200-$300 would jump to $300-$450 per night!

IF Disney wants to keep selling DVC; making greater profit on their hotel rooms(incl having DVC take over some of the maintenance costs), THEN they might embrace such a future model.

 

[jlundeen]

Just an FYI that the Star Wars Dessert Party is now bookable through the end of July and starting July 10th the actual party will take place inside the Star Wars Launch Bay and they you will be escorted out to the viewing area

Wonder if this means the actual roped off viewing area is changing in size to allow for more room with good view for other people

I am actually kind of excited for it to be inside the launch bay - be even cooler if characters are then part of it (but no mention of that)

Edit, per the HUB: Guests are immersed in the Star Wars experience, surrounded by photo opportunities, exciting exhibits and thrilling character encounters.

Now that sounds much better than the one I did in April...does it say anything about seating - the outside one was standing tables only...oy...after being on my feet all day, then standing for two hours at the party before the FW show even started.....would be awesome to have seating at tables inside Launch Bay....

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Now that sounds much better than the one I did in April...does it say anything about seating - the outside one was standing tables only...oy...after being on my feet all day, then standing for two hours at the party before the FW show even started.....would be awesome to have seating at tables inside Launch Bay....

It didn't say explicitly what the set up would be but I think the expectation is that it will be similar and just be high-top tables, just now inside the Launch Bay

No idea even where in the Launch Bay it will be but seems like the whole Launch Bay will be open until 9 so as long as you have your braclet only you could go in and out and perhaps find benches or something elsewhere in the Launch Bay

So, lots of details still to emerge - but I think it is a nice change and the best part to me is that you don't need to line up an hour before just to get a table with the best view

 

[rteetz]

News

Petes Dragon preview coming to One Mans Dream

http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...ans-dream-to-show-preview-of-petes-dragon.htm

 

[rteetz]

Reminder

We have a thread started on the DVC topic. If we could take that discussion there that would be great Thank you!

 

[Reddog1134]

The whole moderate DVC thing is interesting for sure. Their plan is usually to build (or convert) rooms at an existing deluxe so that the DVC members can share the amenities of that resort. So if they build at a moderate, do they also build the amenities to go with it and just share the theme. Do they improve the existing amenities? Or do they just build the rooms thinking people will just accept what's already there.

 

[rteetz]

News

Concept images of cancelled Disney Infinity figures

http://wdwnt.com/blog/2016/06/concept-images-of-cancelled-disney-infinity-figures-surface/

 

[skier_pete]

Reminder

We have a thread started on the DVC topic. If we could take that discussion there that would be great Thank you!

Good point - getting a little too DVC focused here.

News

Petes Dragon preview coming to One Mans Dream

http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...ans-dream-to-show-preview-of-petes-dragon.htm

I know not a ton of people watch the One Man's Dream movie - but the last thing i am going to spend time doing during my theme park visit is watching a movie preview.

I can't say I'm super excited for this - but Pete's Dragon is exactly the type of movie that SHOULD be remade. There are fond memories of the original, but the fact is it isn't a very good movie.