News Round Up 2016

In the northeast time is money...high rent means "get open quick"

I think he's talking about the new wegmans on the top of pikes peak...

Lots of "blastin" there. :)

I agree. We're in the northeast and completed a 183,500 sq ft, 4 story building in about 24 months. Have a $75 million project started this month on 150,000 sq ft that has to be done in 18 months and this isn't a giant empty box store. High tech lab space...
 
Spirited Rumor Update

This isn't my words these are spirits words from wdwmagic.

Phil Holmes DHS VP is on a visit to California to check out the DL parks and WDI.

Phil's itinerary has him first at DCA to look at Hyperion Theater and its new Frozen musical, World of Color, the Carthay Circle Restaurant and Lounge, and Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, and then looking at nearly everything at Disneyland. He's also spending time in Glendale to get an overview of Disneyland's Star Wars Experience plans since that land opens first. DL's version looks to open in 12-18 months. DHS's sometime in 2020.

But Phil will be getting a complete rundown by Imagineering on WDW's SWE plans and, as well as Disneyland Entertainment's plans to massively upgrade and freshen Fantasmic when it returns next summer. This is part of a strategy direct from Chapek as Chapek favors the Anaheim way of doing things and according to someone with direct knowledge ''thinks the WDW operation has gotten sloppy and lazy and their execs need to spend more time in California to learn how the DLR is managed and operated. It's a message that is hard to swallow for many WDW folks, but Chapek is unrelenting and has made it clear he thinks Anaheim is doing it better. Phil Holmes is only the first in a series of WDW execs who will be making a pilgrimage to Anaheim soon.''

This really is major news because typically WDW execs simply don't visit the SoCal parks.

Phil MAY well be on scene for some much bigger news to drop regarding the future of DLR's President as well. It does appear that Mary Niven's quite amazing climb from being the only major Cynthia Harriss era survivor to Queen of the Kingdom appears about to become official.

If so, that obviously means the end of Michael Colglazier's tenure as DLR Prez. One largely met with a collective yawn by those who work for him and with him and the paying Guests.

At least he won't have to freak out every time someone leaks a story about turning the ToT into a cheap Marvel attraction (get in your rides by Labor Day to be safe, closing day looks to be 9/12 for reopening May of 2017) or a reporter looks at public documents and realizes that DL is adding another resort hotel or has bought additional property etc.

A few other DLR tidbits:

Parks on the left coast have also been very uncrowded this summer. One must wonder if Disney has finally hit the ceiling on what US consumers can or are willing to pay for a day of MAGIC.

No decision has been made on just how many years the 'Season' of the Force will run, but TDA planners are running up against a major deadline for deciding internally whether to remove the wildly popular Hyperspace Mountain overlay for the typical fall Ghost Galaxy overlay. Since GG is a major selling point of DL's Halloweentime event, planners are working up alternate cheap entertainment to toss in the park if management decides the Force will remain in Tomorrowland.

Other Spirited morsels:

Don't know if any of you paid attention last week to Herb Allen's mogul conference in Sun Valley, but "the oddly waifish man of anaemic personality" AKA Tom Staggs not only showed up for the event, but arrived with Disney execs, including the head of ESPN. One can only wonder if there was some sort of not so subtle message to Bob ... you know ... a "Have a MAGICal Day!" message from both his current and former execs.

Michael Eisner was there and told a few folks that he felt slighted for not getting a shout-out (and likely an official invite) from Disney on the Shanghai opening. He was not shy about telling others that Bob still made a mistake by not getting a media penetration deal in exchange for the park.

SDL appears to be on solid footing, but is not attracting the spectacular attendance or interest that Disney hoped for. Way too early to draw any conclusions beyond you really don't want to be in China in summer.

At least things will remain consistent with Steven Spielberg and his very odd relationship with Disney as The BFG is turning into another disaster for Disney, and one they anticipated and helped bring about. Having 87 tent poles a year leaves little room for films that need space and time. But just like Disney let The Good Dinosaur and Alice Through the Looking Glass fail so that "more important to Bob's ego" films like The Force Awakens, Zootopia, Jungle Book, Cap America Civil War and Finding Dory could make their billions, the same is true of this movie that has no buzz at all. Disney does have hopes for Pete's Dragon, but certainly does't care about it like a Moana or a Rogue One. It's all about making sacrifices.

So Rose and Crown is following Le Cellier, Chefs de France and Crystal Palace with an all-day, screw the Guests, menu. That is how you increase revenue despite filling fewer tables and serving fewer people. Disney still doesn't fundamentally get this strategy can only last so long.

As to WDW and O-Town crowds, relatively speaking, this reminds me an awful lot of 2008. The economy had long crashed, credit markets were dry, homes were being lost, the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind was happening and ... I took my usual visit to WDW in late October, after spending months in China, and the parks were packed. It seemed like business as usual because those trips were paid for, those credit cards that were going to go unpaid were going to go unpaid and those houses were going to be lost. People were having a bang before the bust. I returned to WDW in February of 2009 and it was a ghost town. Trips in July (including over the 4th) and December followed and the parks were, by O-Town standards, dead. Just a prediction but I think 2016 is the last bang before the next bust for a lot of people. And you can't keep having jobless recoveries as they are an oxymoron.

Sooner or later, the disastrous business model employed by WDW Co. will come home to roost and all the new timeshares they can build won't make a bit of a difference. I wonder what Disney Springs will look like when half of those new tenants are gone within 18 months of opening.
So Star Wars land at Disneyland is going to open probably within a year and a half from now?
 
What they did to Infinity is near criminal and is a bigger reflection of the new Disney than anything else is is my mind.

The announcement was almost shock. I still sometimes don't believe and forget this is happening.

I never played Infinity before, were all the sets/versions/whatever you called them backwards compatible. Could you play Disney Infinity stuff on the Disney Infinity 2.0 disc? Was each version of Disney Infinty a new disc? Around $60?

Sorry if my ignorance is showing, I'm just trying to see how often people would shell out $60 plus whatever the characters cost in a single year. Were the versions relased yearly?
 
DL hires fewer people and their parks are smaller in area than WDW parks and there is also a different dynamic of the cms because they dont have sort term international or college program employees.

Just for the record. The Disney College Program does place kids at DL. The parks just aren't as big so there aren't as many for them.
 

I never played Infinity before, were all the sets/versions/whatever you called them backwards compatible. Could you play Disney Infinity stuff on the Disney Infinity 2.0 disc? Was each version of Disney Infinty a new disc? Around $60?

Sorry if my ignorance is showing, I'm just trying to see how often people would shell out $60 plus whatever the characters cost in a single year. Were the versions relased yearly?

No back compatability. The characters from Disney 1.0 and 2.0 could be played on the 3.0 version, but the 3.0 characters could not play on the 2.0 version. It's was the main obnoxious thing about the game - that each version you had to buy a new $70 "base" version. I think because of that, and the fact that the version with the most variety was the FIRST version, it sort of made sales drop off every year, and Disney can't tolerate something that doesn't make a billion dollars.

I liked the game a lot, but the problem is even though we bought all 3 versions, I just never had the free time to get involved with the open source "toy box" and really learn how to build. There was lots of fun stuff in there - and it really is a shame that Disney stopped putting out new sets. There was no reason they couldn't have kept generating new play sets and make them downloadable.
 
What they did to Infinity is near criminal and is a bigger reflection of the new Disney than anything else is is my mind.

The announcement was almost shock. I still sometimes don't believe and forget this is happening.

As someone who picked up the entire collection, power discs, etc for my kids & I to play together, it may have actually been for the best.

We also started playing Lego Dimensions, and honestly, it is a better game all around. My biggest gripe with Infinity was the limit they put on which characters could interact with which playsets. When my daughter was in her Elsa phase, that is the only character she wanted to be. That absolutely killed most of the games functionality, as we were severely limited to where we could play. I had to basically download toyboxes and hope they were half decent.

For those who haven't played before, Elsa didn't come with her own "playset", which means, like many of the 'orphaned' characters, she could only be used in the main hubworld, in your own homebuilt levels, or in downloaded levels other folks made. Towards the very end of the lifepsan they released a storypack mission that actually allowed all characters to work together on a single plot line, but that alone wasn't enough to justify owning all these characters that had no playsets associated to them. Essentially, if you wanted to play a star wars level, you could only use star wars people. A Marvel level forced marvel people. Lone Ranger playset? You could only use one of the two lone ranger figures. In other words, it completely undermined the entire point of a game with dozens of characters.

In Lego on the other hand, you pick anyone, anytime, and everyone has a handful of abilities unique to them (or a small group of like-built characters).

Dimension's second year of figs slated for this fall is *heavily* geared towards 80's movies. Gremlins, goonies, & beetlejuice to name a few.

Keeping in mind that Lego and Disney have quite a working relationship these days, that could mean potentially getting Disney figs over in Dimensions. Star Wars & Marvel also both have years of history with Lego. So while it would be slightly obnoxious to rebuy many of the infinity characters, the option of having them playable in a world filled with so many other licenses is potentially exciting.

Where else could you potentially have Batman, Gandalf, Dr. Who, a flying monkey, and Homer Simpson interacting with Mickey, Luke, The Hulk, and Belle?
 
No back compatability. The characters from Disney 1.0 and 2.0 could be played on the 3.0 version, but the 3.0 characters could not play on the 2.0 version. It's was the main obnoxious thing about the game - that each version you had to buy a new $70 "base" version. I think because of that, and the fact that the version with the most variety was the FIRST version, it sort of made sales drop off every year, and Disney can't tolerate something that doesn't make a billion dollars.

I liked the game a lot, but the problem is even though we bought all 3 versions, I just never had the free time to get involved with the open source "toy box" and really learn how to build. There was lots of fun stuff in there - and it really is a shame that Disney stopped putting out new sets. There was no reason they couldn't have kept generating new play sets and make them downloadable.

Thank you for the information.

I can understand a 3.0 character not working with a 1.0 disc, but the fact that you had to buy a new base is pretty crazy. I guess I don't understand the new technology, but I can't imagine it differs from chracter figure to character figure.

I would think the base from 1.0 (that allowed character to be played on the 1.0 disc) would also allow characters from 3.0 to be played on the 3.0 disc.

Basically, I understand having to buy a new disc, because that's where the data for the new levels are stored...but having to buy a new physical base for each release doesn't make sense to me.
 
Thank you for the information.

I can understand a 3.0 character not working with a 1.0 disc, but the fact that you had to buy a new base is pretty crazy. I guess I don't understand the new technology, but I can't imagine it differs from chracter figure to character figure.

I would think the base from 1.0 (that allowed character to be played on the 1.0 disc) would also allow characters from 3.0 to be played on the 3.0 disc.

Basically, I understand having to buy a new disc, because that's where the data for the new levels are stored...but having to buy a new physical base for each release doesn't make sense to me.

No, you didn't need a new base. The base was the same for all three releases. But you did have to buy the new disc (game). And they didn't sell that by itself until several months after the "bundle" had been out (bundle being the game, base, and a few people).

I went back and edited my previous post to add more info about the limitations of characters in the various worlds.

Apart from the character limitations, the fact they didn't put the old worlds in the new games was just stupid. For example, in infinity 1 there was a pixar world that had monsters, toy story, and cars. Then there was a pirates world, and a few others. So say you have all the characters from Cars. Well, thats great for playing the Cars toybox. But now you get infinity 2.0, which has Marvel playsets. Well, thats great, but what do you do with the Cars people now? Or the Toy Story people? Or the Pirates of the Caribbean? Technially you can use them in infinity 2.0, but their worlds don't work with the new game. If you want to go to cars land, you have to boot up 1.0 again. And since the world no longer works in 2.0, you can only use your 1.0 people in the main hub world. Then 3.0 comes out and you have all these characters from 1.0 and 2.0, but none of their worlds come over.

Whats the point of bringing the characters up, but leaving their worlds behind? Stupid stupid stupid. It's not like they were protecting sales of old games. The old ones were on dirt cheap clearance the second the new one released.

Hence my hope for Disney properties showing up in Dimensions. It's a better game all around.
 
Good luck! Tried to periscope Illuminations last night and no one was broadcasting. Though, there may have been storms.
 
We also started playing Lego Dimensions, and honestly, it is a better game all around. My biggest gripe with Infinity was the limit they put on which characters could interact with which playsets. When my daughter was in her Elsa phase, that is the only character she wanted to be. That absolutely killed most of the games functionality, as we were severely limited to where we could play. I had to basically download toyboxes and hope they were half decent.

I didn't copy your whole post but I would mostly agree with you. We had the same problem that DD liked playing the girl characters, but the girl characters couldn't play in the worlds. They did eventually improve this to a degree with 3.0 - but yes, I agree you should be able to play every character in every playset.

While I like the Lego set - the problem I have there is the cost of the add-on worlds. My daughter got really into Back To The Future, so we bought that set for like $25 - it took us about 45 minutes to play through the entire level. The BTTF "World" that it also unlocks can take some time, but really in those worlds you do nothing but wander around and both my daughter and I get bored with that very quickly - I like the game levels WAY better. I bought the Simpson's one and it was a little better, but maybe an hour and a half. And then some of the "play packs" (like Jurassic World) don't even have a game level - just the open world area, which again to us gets old quickly. The playsets on Disney Infinity frequently took 5-6 hours to play though, even though they were maybe $35. For Lego Dimensions - I really enjoyed the base game, but I was so disappointed in the level add ons I just stopped buying them after those first two. Hoping that the 2nd round they make the adder packs more entertaining.
 
I have probably far too much to say about Infinity but the key to me was it was #1 in its segment (having overtaken the mighty Skylanders) and the pipeline and potential was huge. They already had characters and playsets developed that will now never see the light of day. That is wrong to the developers and fans. They even had a "fan" vote for a new character (Peter Pan won) and they even had developed the character and it was due to release in a couple months. Cancelled. They confirmed in March that they had new playsets and characters coming for Star Wars and Marvel and other Disney properties this year. They mapped out the future (no new game release this year just add-ons for 3.0, new 4.0 release next year). And then to reverse trends and cancel all of it?

The story is "money". They could never strike a balance between figure costs and production and demand. Yet, without a doubt, their figures were far above the quality (build, detail, structure, weight) of any other. So rather than refining the production process or finding a partner and keeping it going, they just killed it. Took the simple, accountant way out. They had the #1 product in a popular segment, they had a published pipeline (which was even deeper and thought out than they had publicly announced), they had struck a balance between kids and collectors, they had penetrated one of their "hardest" markets (gaming). And in what appears to have been a cost cutting move (Shanghai?), they killed it all. That to me is the criminal part.
 
I didn't copy your whole post but I would mostly agree with you. We had the same problem that DD liked playing the girl characters, but the girl characters couldn't play in the worlds. They did eventually improve this to a degree with 3.0 - but yes, I agree you should be able to play every character in every playset.

While I like the Lego set - the problem I have there is the cost of the add-on worlds. My daughter got really into Back To The Future, so we bought that set for like $25 - it took us about 45 minutes to play through the entire level. The BTTF "World" that it also unlocks can take some time, but really in those worlds you do nothing but wander around and both my daughter and I get bored with that very quickly - I like the game levels WAY better. I bought the Simpson's one and it was a little better, but maybe an hour and a half. And then some of the "play packs" (like Jurassic World) don't even have a game level - just the open world area, which again to us gets old quickly. The playsets on Disney Infinity frequently took 5-6 hours to play though, even though they were maybe $35. For Lego Dimensions - I really enjoyed the base game, but I was so disappointed in the level add ons I just stopped buying them after those first two. Hoping that the 2nd round they make the adder packs more entertaining.

I stopped paying full price for any of this stuff a while back. There has never been a rare infinity character or a rare lego character. At best, a few have been exclusive to a specific store. Rather, wait a few months and watch the buy 1 get 1 free deals start, and you can nab just about everything for half the price.

Lego's have always been a fairly ridiculous when it comes to pricing, but unlike actual lego sets, the dimensions stuff goes pretty cheap sometimes =)

I expect to see buy 1 get 10 free on infinity fairly soon. Local stores still have aisles full of them, and a lot of them go way back to the first game.
 
So Star Wars land at Disneyland is going to open probably within a year and a half from now?
According to spirit yes.

I would be stunned at this - they've been working on it for almost a year now, and there's nothing there but a pile of dirt and the start of a few foundations. No way this is ready in under 2 years time.
 












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