NEW VGF Building

So it may take longer than 9 months, even if they significantly discount off the current $255.
Sure, I suspect it will sell much faster than phase 1 but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think it will take more like 18 months or even longer. It’s hard to predict these things.
 
The original VGF offering only averaged 102k points per month in sales. It didn't directly compete with another resort the entire time, and was priced $100 per point lower than today. So it may take longer than 9 months, even if they significantly discount off the current $255.

But the rest is pretty accurate. DVC always has multiple options available to them. It's just a matter of finding the best balance of a project that fits needs of the hotel unit and profitability for DVC. They're only making these decisions once every 2-3 years.
2013 was like another epoch. If the roaring 20's are here for a few years anyway, they may get snapped up ?
 

The amount of time left of VGF is super appealing to me. I’ll just have to add a paper route to my 9-5 job in order to pay for it.

My significant other keeps saying let’s wait, but things just seem to be getting worse (more restrictive) and more expensive with DVC.
 
2013 was like another epoch. If the roaring 20's are here for a few years anyway, they may get snapped up ?

Anything is possible. But DVC is pretty good at manipulating demand via prices and incentives. If they sell over 1.5 million points at VGF in 9 months--with competition from Riviera--it tells me VGF was under-priced.

I'd bet on 15-18 months. If the economy is strong, DVC will be looking pretty healthy if they sell about 75-100k points per month at each of VGF and Riviera. (Or some other split that adds up to about 150-200k total.)
 
The thing is, with sold-out resorts, DVC members are paying the operating cost of those resorts.

With active resorts, Disney is carrying the cost of those non-sold points.
Yes, with active resorts Disney is carrying the O&M costs of those non-sold points. But they are also gathering the revenue that comes from CRO.
Every DVC location over the last 20 years—except for Kidani and the first part of VGF—involved subtraction of cash rooms for the addition of DVC.
Really? When did BWV go on sale? When did BCV go on sale? SSR? Seems to me that they were more recent than 20 years ago. But my memory may be failing.
 
Really? When did BWV go on sale? When did BCV go on sale? SSR? Seems to me that they were more recent than 20 years ago. But my memory may be failing.

Boardwalk was 1996--25 years ago. VWL and Beach Club were both additions. Those were right on the cusp of my 20 years. One may only be 19 years old.

SSR opened in 2004. It replaced the Disney Institute, fairway villas and later treehouse villas.
 
I get it. There are preferences. But Riviera isn’t out in the middle of the Sahara desert. We were staying at BCV and made it to RIV for dinner in 10-15 minutes. I also stayed at VGF that trip. Lovely resort and I’d like to buy there.

Maybe not the Sahara, but RIV is not in an actual deluxe location, like BC/Yacht Club or VGF. Neither are OKW/SSR, but their cost/charts reflect that.

A theme park view VGF building (and probably in O14!) is a big course change from 900 rooms far from a park, and one that I like! I would expect Disney to return to the previously scheduled programming when the demand picks up again.
 
They same way they used to before Riviera, and the same way Wyndham, Bluegreen, etc. do now: by having people in the sales role who are very good at their job.

It's not as though a sharp divergence between retail and secondary markets is suddenly a new thing.

That's because until recently the sales guides could offer far more benefits from buying direct than they can now.

Buy direct and you can book at our new resorts coming online soon or in the future. Well you'd have to be living under a rock as a DVC buyer not to know that prospect is likely dead in the water for a long, long, time.

Buy direct and you'll get a nice fat discount on your Annual Pass. Dead.

Buy direct and you'll get nice merch discounts if you happen to be in the parks on the fifth Tuesday of the month between this time and this time. Disney: the masters of LOOKING like they're giving the members something when in reality they're giving almost nothing (unless you're lucky).

And the big one: buy direct and you're buying from DISNEY - the "gold standard" - you're REALLY in the club now and get the blue card. If the pandemic has done one good thing - it is my hope that this illusion has been forever shattered. Yet judging by some of the comments on this board, there appears to be more than a few cases of confirmation bias regarding direct purchase. However, on the flip side, I have read a number of threads where there is plenty of acknowledgement that direct purchase ain't what it used to be - and there's far more value in resale.

My point is: DVC buyers are not stupid. You gotta offer something to get most buyers to shell out an extra $75 a point - and they don't have a lot to offer right now over resale.

We are relatively new direct owners at RIV (we also own a resale contract from earlier). Other than being able to book at the 11 month mark for the resort we own at (which is a bit crazy calling this a benefit) - I have been mightily struggling to name one benefit received by buying direct from Disney. No annual passes for newbies - so no DVC discount on AP's. For our upcoming June trip, had to pay for individual tickets, and the 4+2 discount we did receive EVERYONE received. For the dining reservations we have booked, I've been praying there's one that ONLY offers DVC discounts (to make me feel better about my purchase) - but a quick look thru our reservations shows we'll get the same discounts with our Disney Visa. Transportation to and from airport: all resort guests get it (until none of us get it next year). Merch discounts: again our Disney Visa card appears to give the same benefit. Go to Top of the World Lounge? Nope, closed. Some special care or concern from DVC about the AP issue? Nope, pretty much got ignored and peed on.

What benefit did we get from becoming a direct DVC owner? None. We'd been better off buying a BLT resale at about $40 a point cheaper and spending the savings on a new car.

One of the reasons I hang around these boards is to keep singing this song - although there's no need for most buyers - as I said, they're not dumb (but they do have different choke points).
 
Maybe not the Sahara, but RIV is not in an actual deluxe location, like BC/Yacht Club or VGF. Neither are OKW/SSR, but their cost/charts reflect that.

A theme park view VGF building (and probably in O14!) is a big course change from 900 rooms far from a park, and one that I like! I would expect Disney to return to the previously scheduled programming when the demand picks up again.

I guess my point is what difference does it make if you have a constantly loading transportation system that gets you to the front of Epcot in 10 minutes? SSR/OKW/AKL require a bus.
 
I guess my point is what difference does it make if you have a constantly loading transportation system that gets you to the front of Epcot in 10 minutes? SSR/OKW/AKL require a bus.
And, unlike the monorail, the Skyliner is actually faster than the bus. I did the math once upon a time and concluded that the Contemporary is actually the *least* convenient resort unless you spend over 50% of your time at the Magic Kingdom. You'll spend more time on Disney transportation staying at the Contemporary than you will at Animal Kingdom Lodge or Old Key West.
 
And, unlike the monorail, the Skyliner is actually faster than the bus. I did the math once upon a time and concluded that the Contemporary is actually the *least* convenient resort unless you spend over 50% of your time at the Magic Kingdom. You'll spend more time on Disney transportation staying at the Contemporary than you will at Animal Kingdom Lodge or Old Key West.

Absolutely. And I was staying at BCV in one of the rooms far down the hallway. I’m telling you: The time difference to get to Epcot from RIV is negligible when compared to BCV. I get that the skyliner can go down - that’s a fair criticism.
 
Absolutely. And I was staying at BCV in one of the rooms far down the hallway. I’m telling you: The time difference to get to Epcot from RIV is negligible when compared to BCV. I get that the skyliner can go down - that’s a fair criticism.
And just to be clear where I stand, I loathe Riviera itself. It feels like a fancy nursing home. The prices, both rack and points, are unforgivable. But the Skyliner, to me, negates any criticism of Riviera on the basis of location.
 
I will say that I really am surprised that Disney will not sell new discounted APs to direct purchasers. I would have thought they would have by now.
 
I suspect DVC will continue to "convert" hotel rooms to dvc like they did at poly, wilderness lodge. and now GF.

Much cheaper to convert a building then build. Disney gets all the profit on redo vs build. And it ensures occupancy remain high. Until the build a 5th gate...there is no reason to build any more stand alone DVC property. The don't need rooms, they need to ensure the rooms they have are full.
For WLV and PVB how much time did it take to change the room from hôtel to DVC ?
 
Honestly, picking a MK area resort is really hard for me. I've always felt to be giving up something with any choice, but BLT would have to be top choice because walking to a park is our #1 draw. But we are studio people and BLT studios kind of suck.

Would prefer Poly studios and theming. We don't care that it doesn't have 1 or 2 bedrooms. Poly is almost perfect, but I don't know if most would consider it "walkable".

VGF was never really on my radar until it got the walking path. Now it is getting 200 studios.

Game changer or not?

We were just going to buy SSR and shoot for a split stay anywhere in MK area - our BWV points getting us the other 1/2. Honestly, fine with SSR, too so it's not really a "risk". Now, I don't know. Maybe VGF needs to be considered an option. Or does it just mean we have even better chances at a MK resort studio on SSR points?

Decisions, decisions.
 
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