New Security Measures At The Parks

[kittyab]

Update. Back in MK today. They went up to 4 dectectors this morning.



I think we're COMPLETELY missing the point here. The point of all this is, allegedly, to stop a terrorist attack.

How in the world is a person wearing sunglasses or a hat a threat? When was the last time someone hid a gun under their sunglasses? How are a pair of Oakleys in any way necessary to attack a person? This is beyond absurd at this point.

The fear and paranoia shown by some on this thread is incredible. These people better not have a shower, or God forbid a bathtub in their home. Both kill more people per year in America than terrorists do. Certainly they wouldn't have set foot in a death trap known as an automobile either. Lol, it's truly pathetic.

Oh I totally hear you on the extreme paranoia. And this is exactly is what the terrorist want, they want us to live in fear.

 

[slickpoetry]

Lots of talk in here about Islamic terrorism. I hope you all realize you're far more likely to be killed by a home grown all-American psycho...

 

[lizzytizzy]

Ugh! I tried to fix a typo and just lost my whole rant!

You didn't lose your "rant", jnncooke. It showed up on my email. I'm just going to copy and paste it here. Hope I don't lose any of it:

So I usually just lurk and don't post but I can't keep my fingers from responding. I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I am reading on here. Let's use common sense. Of course, profiling serves a purpose. To say it is evil is just silly, ridiculous and theatrical. If you have a description of an individual or individuals whom are reportedly threatening to carry out an attack, why would you waste time searching or checking people who don't fit that description? Yes, you are going to pay attention to everyone, but of course you are going to pay more attention to individuals that fit that description. If the description happens to match my ethnicity and appearance then I would have no problem with law enforcement or security searching me or doing whatever necessary to keep me and my family safe as long as they do it RESPECTFULLY. In fact, a few years ago my husband's name was somehow on a no fly list and it caused quite the headache when we had to fly. But they worked it all out and we were glad they were being diligent in being sure that no one was flying who shouldn't be.
And of course you want police and military who are off duty carrying their weapons. Common sense again...if you are in a closed place in Disney like a theater, etc and there is a bad guy with a gun, my answered prayer would be a soldier or a police officer with a weapon beside me so that I don't have to wait on dozens of people to get shot before police can arrive and do something! And the comment about the OK Corral...like somehow it's worse to have a second shooter trying to kill the bad guy versus just one or multiple shooters trying to kill all the Disney guests...that makes no sense at all!
All of this ideology about living in a world with no profiling and no one carrying weapons would be great if we were in a world of flying unicorns and rainbows...but so far I haven't seen an unicorn and I surely haven't seen one fly. Wake up people! Sometimes you have to make hard choices and people may be inconvenienced for the greater good of all. But it isn't all about YOU..it's about every American and what's best for us all, as a whole, not individually.
And as far as the comment about this country being intolerant...really??? The only thing this country is intolerant of, is if anyone even thinks a thought that isn't PC. Otherwise, you are good to go. Our morals and ethics have been gone for awhile now. The intolerant comment was just funny.
And yes, I am now ready for all of the intolerance to my comments! Bring it on! Lol!

 

[Daisytiff]

I don't think this is fear and paranoia. And I don't think anyone, whether Disney, or someone who agrees with these security measures, is paranoid for thinking its a good idea to have metal detectors installed. It's just an extra safety measure and not a big deal. We wait in line for hours for Peter Pan, but we can't wait in line for our safety?

I don't think it's fair at all to call someone paranoid because they think extra safety measures could be taken. Especially Disney. I thank them for trying to ensure people's safety. Since when is wanting to be safe considered being paranoid?

And yes, getting into a motor vehicle accident is more likely, but if you knew there was something you could do to possible prevent that accident, you wouldn't do it? That is all that Disney is trying to do. It's smart, not paranoid. And in fact these security measures are doing the exact opposite of making me fearful and paranoid. They make me feel better about going to the parks. Yes they're not 100%, yes I know they could be better, but they are something, which is better than nothing.

Being aware of the current terrorism threats and the reality of them, and wanting to do something to try to prevent them, does not make one paranoid. I don't think anyone should disrupt or change their lives or constantly live in fear, however, waiting in line to go through a metal detector or not being able to wear a costume is hardly a disruption to my day.

 

[Jennasis]

What is "best for everyone/for all Americans" is of course the best way to go...but "what is best" is very debatable.

 

[kittyab]

I disagree about we are OK with waiting for a line for a ride comparison to waiting for security. You can walk past a ride if a line is too long.

If I have to stand in line for a hour just to enter the park, I will probably will not go to the park.

 

[disneyfan55]

It's failure PR theater. Gun-free "safe" zones have always been an oxymoron. I don't carry, but as former military, I'm thankful for the tens of thousands who quietly do. They protect us and make us harder targets. Making it harder for them to quietly be the "deterrent" in the parks is short-sighted. The safest public places are ones where terrorists don't know who has the ability to stop them and have to assume all can. When seconds matter, security is always minutes away - that's a fact of life (since we can't pay the prohibitive costs of having them be seconds away).

 

[disneyfan55]

The above is so very True!

 

[mackay_j]

Well- I know which countries I feel safer wondering about in and is not the ones where anyone can have a gun. More people( to population ratio) die at the hand of a gun where there are more legal guns per head of population than the countries where they are not a standard accessory. Thats a fact- so no argument will persuade me it's safer. I do not want anyone near me with a gun except firearms officers and military (and I think it should be a sackable offence if these people while off duty take their guns into places where they are banned). I am happy with the metal detectors and would be even happier if every one had to go through them - if it takes an extra hr to get in so be it - If I can wait 1hr+ for peter pan and can easily wait the same to help protect myself and my family

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Can people wear that full burka thing to Disney?

 

[TwoMisfits]

Well- I know which countries I feel safer wondering about in and is not the ones where anyone can have a gun. More people( to population ratio) die at the hand of a gun where there are more legal guns per head of population than the countries where they are not a standard accessory. Thats a fact- so no argument will persuade me it's safer. I do not want anyone near me with a gun except firearms officers and military (and I think it should be a sackable offence if these people while off duty take their guns into places where they are banned). I am happy with the metal detectors and would be even happier if every one had to go through them - if it takes an extra hr to get in so be it - If I can wait 1hr+ for peter pan and can easily wait the same to help protect myself and my family

Feeling safer is not being factually safer. That's the whole point of failure PR theater - to give you a feeling of safety that the methods can't factually provide. The 3-4 metal detectors in an age of 3D printed plastic guns and easy terrorist bombs is just that - failure theater.

But, on a separate note, it is inevitable that at some point, some of us will be in a single crazy shooter or a multi-terrorist shooter/bomber situation (be it at Disney, a school, a movie theater, a mall, etc). At that time, if no one in the situation is armed (which makes the situation suckier for you), knowing what to do to save yourself and your neighbor will be crucial. Reliance on the security theater won't save you - knowing how to act and act instantly (without freezing) will. The worst mistake everyone makes in these situations is freezing. Fighting or fleeing (depending on circumstance) has to be an instant decision and everyone can help fight or help flee (even those who think they are too weak to do anything - you aren't). Anyone can distract or blind a shooter (hello flashlight app) and anyone can pick up a weapon that someone else might get off the shooter (or grab a detonator or cell dropped from a planned bomber). The best way to be safe is to know how to protect oneself and one's neighbor, whether you are pro or anti gun. Leaving that job up to pros will never make you safer b/c they can never be fast enough for all situations.

 

[DVCPAT]

Update. Back in MK today. They went up to 4 dectectors this morning.



I think we're COMPLETELY missing the point here. The point of all this is, allegedly, to stop a terrorist attack.

How in the world is a person wearing sunglasses or a hat a threat? When was the last time someone hid a gun under their sunglasses? How are a pair of Oakleys in any way necessary to attack a person? This is beyond absurd at this point.

The fear and paranoia shown by some on this thread is incredible. These people better not have a shower, or God forbid a bathtub in their home. Both kill more people per year in America than terrorists do. Certainly they wouldn't have set foot in a death trap known as an automobile either. Lol, it's truly pathetic.

Disney uses biometrics, so a photo of your face is like a fingerprint that's scanned into a database. Today I watched a guy ignore the CM direct him to the metal detectors and it was interesting to watch the second layer of security come forward. Disney is doing a great job screening the masses.

 

[MolonLabe]

Feeling safer is not being factually safer. That's the whole point of failure PR theater - to give you a feeling of safety that the methods can't factually provide. The 3-4 metal detectors in an age of 3D printed plastic guns and easy terrorist bombs is just that - failure theater.

printed guns still need metal parts and, for now, rounds have metal cases. If you plan on using the barrel more than a couple of shots you need metal as well. Magazines still need metal springs as well. I get your point but for Disney a carbon fiber knife would be much better. No metal, just getting into a queue and start stabbing and slashing.

But, on a separate note, it is inevitable that at some point, some of us will be in a single crazy shooter or a multi-terrorist shooter/bomber situation (be it at Disney, a school, a movie theater, a mall, etc). At that time, if no one in the situation is armed (which makes the situation suckier for you), knowing what to do to save yourself and your neighbor will be crucial. Reliance on the security theater won't save you - knowing how to act and act instantly (without freezing) will. The worst mistake everyone makes in these situations is freezing. Fighting or fleeing (depending on circumstance) has to be an instant decision and everyone can help fight or help flee (even those who think they are too weak to do anything - you aren't). Anyone can distract or blind a shooter (hello flashlight app) and anyone can pick up a weapon that someone else might get off the shooter (or grab a detonator or cell dropped from a planned bomber). The best way to be safe is to know how to protect oneself and one's neighbor, whether you are pro or anti gun. Leaving that job up to pros will never make you safer b/c they can never be fast enough for all situations.

You're asking people to take responsibility for their lives. Looking back at some of the responses here, that's a pipe dream, they don't value their lives or the lives of others. All they care about are their feelings.

You are correct about response times. If someone starts shooting or stabbing in the HM rooms, some people here would rather have off duty police unarmed and every one dead while waiting for the exact same people, but wearing a costume, come after Everyone is dead and take pictures and draw little chalk outlines. You can't fix that sort of disconnect from reality. It's called cognitive dissonance and generally an indication of other mental disorders as well, such as projection.

 

[prudence64]

Why should up I trust someone with a gun to be "a good guy" and not a clutz just because you say you are? You are a stranger with a gun, period. I have to assume that the gun is a danger. I like to diminish the chances of being shot - both purposely and accidentally.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Can people wear that full burka thing to Disney?

Disney can't discriminate against religions any more than anyone else can.

 

[mom2rtk]

Disney uses biometrics, so a photo of your face is like a fingerprint that's scanned into a database. Today I watched a guy ignore the CM direct him to the metal detectors and it was interesting to watch the second layer of security come forward. Disney is doing a great job screening the masses.

Sorry, but random checks just don't make me feel safe. If there's a threat, then let's redesign the entrances and put everyone through the metal detectors.

 

[mom2rtk]

Can people wear that full burka thing to Disney?

Disney can't discriminate against religions any more than anyone else can.

I don't have a problem with people wearing a burka into the parks if that's what their religion requires. I would just expect them to each be pulled out for additional screening by metal detector. All of them, not just random ones. I'm not convinced yet if that will be the case though. Hopefully, but it's a pretty charged issue, so I'm just not sure.

 

[disneyfan55]

Why should up I trust someone with a gun to be "a good guy" and not a clutz just because you say you are? You are a stranger with a gun, period. I have to assume that the gun is a danger. I like to diminish the chances of being shot - both purposely and accidentally.

But in a gun free Zone with an active shooter and them picking off the victims one by one I think most people would be ever so happy to have one of those among them to have a weapon to stop it. Not very often does one hear of. A concealed carry adult ever be the cause of the problem.

 

[DVCPAT]

Sorry, but random checks just don't make me feel safe. If there's a threat, then let's redesign the entrances and put everyone through the metal detectors.

it all depends on the threat level... Disney hosts 600+ million visitors annually so they invest in security wisely.

 

[prudence64]

I'm much more likely to be accidentally shot by an idiot who thinks he or she can be a hero than to be saved by an actual hero.

Wasn't too long ago that an idiot in my neighborhood restaurant accidentLly shot himself and his buddy while a family with young child sat at the next table. All he could say while waiting for the ambulance was "I have a permit. I have a permit". More worried about keeping his gun than anything else.

Why should I trust you with a gun? I don't know you. I don't trust you. I don't want to be around you if you have a gun.