New policy for reservations based on check IN date

[Maistre Gracey]

I don't think so. I think simply making each a cancellation and rebooking fixes most of what people are concerned about and everything that I personally feel is important in this area. It keeps it simply and puts everyone on a level playing field. It still may favor 7 days over less, something I feel it appropriate for the system. Apparently they do need to fix the WL no matter what but that was true before as well.

It's been a mystery as to why you're a fan of this abomination.
You've been pushing for this for some time. It seems as though you want DVC to more align with other timeshare systems. It's truly baffling as to why.
You have also touted knowing people on the inside at DVC. I'm curious, did you personally push for this?

I can see how this policy will benefit a Member who rents. You could book a whole week at a time...

MG

 

[Dean]

i have dreamt of retiring to MCO & being a DVC TS agent now, im not so sure

maybe i could get my CDL & drive a mears bus then i'd know when all the new DVCs would be opening

The problem with being an insider is you can't really talk about what you do know. Plus I understand working for/at Disney is not always what it's cracked up to be. Wouldn't you rather just try out all the options and write a travel book about Disney?

 

[Dean]

It's been a mystery as to why you're a fan of this abomination.
You've been pushing for this for some time. It seems as though you want DVC to more align with other timeshare systems. It's truly baffling as to why.
You have also touted knowing people on the inside at DVC. I'm curious, did you personally push for this?

I can see how this policy will benefit a Member who rents. You could book a whole week at a time...

MG

Flattery will get you everywhere but I don't deserve the credit. As I've said I see this as a better move for the members as a whole and the system itself. While I don't have any problems with a member who used DBD to reserve as it was within the rules, I think it was counterproductive for DVC overall. Likewise, I don't have any problem with one who walks a reservation if it's allowed but I also see that as counterproductive to the system which is why I think it will be stopped.

 

[keishashadow]

The problem with being an insider is you can't really talk about what you do know. Plus I understand working for/at Disney is not always what it's cracked up to be. Wouldn't you rather just try out all the options and write a travel book about Disney?

in my next life i'll be reincarnated as an imagineer

have wondered why there isn't a DVC-geared travel book out there though

 

[Kathi OD]

I really hope this thread lives a long life. I know DVC reads it, and it really shows them just what a disater the new policy is.

Keep it coming!!!

MG

Actually all it shows them is that a group of people who post on an internet bulletin board are speculating that the new policy will be a disaster.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Actually all it shows them is that a group of people who post on an internet bulletin board are speculating that the new policy will be a disaster.

It also shows them all the potential errors in the system.
After all, they winged it and came up with this ststem with no thought process.
On the other hand, some of us here on the DIS have no life, so we just sit here and think of all the unintended consequences of the new system.

We're kinda doing their work for them..

MG

 

[jdg345]

DVC saw the old system as broken as we've discussed already in this thread. IMO, the new system will be better than the old one even if it doesn't satisfy some posters definition of fairness. Making each reservation a cancelation and rebooking will stop walking and create a level playing field for everyone other than the advantage currently of a 7 day reservation over a shorter reservation for the same timeframe. It is my opinion that DVC will make sure this change decreases phone calls. They may reverse it but I sincerely doubt it. It think members are simply going to have to accept the changes or vote with their feet. If I truly felt this were unfair, I would lobby to change it, being unsuccessful, I would sell. It's just that my general timeshare experience makes me reserve the term unfair for more serious matters as I realize the developers make the rules. Actually it's funny to use the word timeshare and fairness in the same context, can we say used car sales.

 

[jdg345]

Are you saying that you didn't call day-by-day for your Christmas Week Boardwalk View 2BR?

Curious on this as well ?

 

[jdg345]

Actually all it shows them is that a group of people who post on an internet bulletin board are speculating that the new policy will be a disaster.

The new policy is a disaster ... it's obvious this is the case ... if it wasn't, people wouldn't be trying to think up additional rules and tweaks to 'fix it', and DVC wouldn't be "monitoring it for abuse".

At the end of the day, the high probability is that people who DBD'd will now walk exactly 7 days in advance ... maybe a day or two more. It creates no additional calls that they wouldn't have made otherwise, and it works on the same principle (one booking as a 'departure' for every day in your stay). Sure, those with larger point banks are at an advantage, and those with the desire to book further in advance are at an advantage ... oh, and spec renters, it seems they have an advantage as well.

Now, spec renters don't book during the slow periods, so if you don't visit during prime times, then it likely doesn't affect you. Unless, of course, your vacation plans change in the future. The argument has been that some don't go during prime time and they can now book their entire stay with one call -- but they could do that before! In slow times, there was no reason to call anytime before 11 months to your departure date.

It'll be interesting to note how many people feel this policy is okay and feel that the speculation and concern of others is unwarranted. Until, of course, the new policy affects their capacity to book a reservation -- and then I'm sure the witch hunt will be on for anyone walking, or DBD'ing, or pre-booking, or spec renting, or whatever.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

It'll be interesting to note how many people feel this policy is okay and feel that the speculation and concern of others is unwarranted. Until, of course, the new policy affects their capacity to book a reservation -- and then I'm sure the witch hunt will be on for anyone walking, or DBD'ing, or pre-booking, or spec renting, or whatever.

This is the crux of it all. Everyone will love the ease of booking 7 days at a clip... until it bites them personally in the behind.

MG

 

[jdg345]

This is the crux of it all. Everyone will love the ease of booking 7 days at a clip... until it bites them personally in the behind.

MG

I just noticed your signature! You should add the little walking man to it!

Did you already start booking for NYE 2009 / NYD 2010 ?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I just noticed your signature! You should add the little walking man to it!

Did you already start booking for NYE 2009 / NYD 2010 ?

You got a little walking man?? I'll add it.

Perhaps some fellow walker with some graphic skill can make a walking thingy like the resorts club logos...

MG

 

[DisneyKidds]

I don't think so. I think simply making each a cancellation and rebooking fixes most of what people are concerned about and everything that I personally feel is important in this area. It keeps it simply and puts everyone on a level playing field. It still may favor 7 days over less, something I feel it appropriate for the system. Apparently they do need to fix the WL no matter what but that was true before as well.

I have to disagree with you on this. The best feature of DVC has always been it's flexibility....much of which is lost with this new system and with what you advocate. Futhermore, favoring 7 day reservations may be appropriate for most other traditional timeshare systems....but DVC was never sold as a traditional timeshare system. Disney had something that was different, something somewhat unique, something very flexible, and something that allowed members to enjoy above average success rates in obtaining the timeshare vacations they wanted.......and yet Disney saw the need to fix the system? to make it more like all the other myriad timeshares offered out there? As with many things Disney this past decade, that just makes no sense.

 

[Doctor P]

A VERY simple fix as a start would be to simply say that no reservation may be made for any night in Premier season until 11 months before the checkout for that night. IMHO, that would take care of most of the issues without throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also would be quite easy to program.

 

[rantnnravin]

A VERY simple fix as a start would be to simply say that no reservation may be made for any night in Premier season until 11 months before the checkout for that night. IMHO, that would take care of most of the issues without throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also would be quite easy to program.

so, "in order to simplify the reservation process for the members, we have added additional rules and procedures that must be navigated." Did we miss a government take-over?

 

[jade1]

A VERY simple fix as a start would be to simply say that no reservation may be made for any night in Premier season until 11 months before the checkout for that night. IMHO, that would take care of most of the issues without throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also would be quite easy to program.

Agreed. As soon as you get your points chart-those areas would be highlited. Even if you never read it-you will find out when you call.

 

[Doctor P]

so, "in order to simplify the reservation process for the members, we have added additional rules and procedures that must be navigated." Did we miss a government take-over?

If one didn't want extensive rules and procedures to protect the collective one should never buy into a timeshare/vacation club program.

 

[jarestel]

Everyone will love the ease of booking 7 days at a clip... until it bites them personally in the behind.
MG

The old system nipped me a few times as well. Never took it personally.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Originally Posted by dvcdisney
I never thought of it, but I think for those members who are nervous about booking, it would give them a "look" at the availability for their preferred dates.

And I agree, it will definitely add to the call volumes. I guess another possible issue that DVC didn't intend.

To those that suggested we just go back to the old system....I say, Definitely! So we can end this whole mess about "walking". (Again, although I am not planning on "walking", I can understand that others may since the system allows it.)

I guess we might be in for a new 'enhancement' to curb these types of calls as well. Something tells me this would take a little longer to do than just adding Day2+ of a DBD ressie.

Actually, once they get on-line booking, that will be a moot point. Joy seemed fairly certain on-line booking was coming sooner rather than later.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I have been reading this thread with interest over the last week or so and although I can see both points of view, I thought it best to wait and see over the next few months how easy/hard reservations actually prove to be under the new policy before contacting MS with my comments.

I had prepared my family for potential disapointment yesterday prior to my 9am phone call to MS to attempt to book that elusive AKV concierge room for our 1st trip home next year but pixie dust was flowing my way because I got the 6 nights that I wanted in a 1 bedroom with no walking.

Now my luck may well be due to the fact that the new policy has not yet been publised yet & I may well not be so lucky in the future. On the other hand, I have tried day by day booking for a March studio concierge for friends and I'm still waitlisted for one day right in the middle of their stay (despite calling at 9am on the dot every day). This will mean they will need to change rooms twice which they are fine with but it's obviously not ideal.

I thought I should post to let people know that walking was not required for concierge(on this occasion anyway) and I'm really keen to hear how everyone else gets on with their own reservations under the new policy.

Well, if you were booking the 11 month window yesterday, that would mean you are staying next June, and that would be a much easier ressie to get than early December or a holiday time. I don't think many of us are worried about the non-peak DVC times for much of anything.