New MGM Ride in the Works?

[DisneyKidds]

To drive him away would be a detriment to this board. And quite frankly, you can enjoy your Screamscape bullcrap without me as well.

Wow, appears as though I've created quite the incident . The concept that anyone could be driven off by this 'stuff' is either rediculous, or a clear indication that someone takes it way too seriously. Heck, it appears I am taking this garbage way too seriously as well.........now where is that door . I wonder how many other people are going to stomp out of the room .

Really, nobody is trying to 'enjoy any Screamscape bullcrap', just trying to come to the best source to see if there is anything behind the info from Screamscape that is consistent with chatter I had seen elsewhere, including this very board.

I agree on AV and the info he brings to the table. I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean I should have to put up with being lectured and spoken down to just to get it. It may not have been intentional, but that is how it came across (to me at least - but if you weren't the one the lectures were aimed at I can see how you might not read it that way).

'Nuff said.........................I hope.

 

[mitros]

Hey, youv'e got my support!

 

[DisneyKidds]

Originally posted by mitros
Hey, youv'e got my support!

Thanks for the moral suport......................but let's not set up camps and factions and escalate this 'war' (don't worry, I'll be back with some more smilies to keep AV happy - but I just have to access the darn site that has 'em ).

Now, to try and get back OT, anybody else have any info to share regarding the (now exposed as completely rediculous) possibility that MGM might have a short list of projects that might fit into the backlot area?

 

[YoHo]

I had something long written out in response, but I decided nuff, said should be respected a little.

The short short version. Yes, you shouldn't have to be lectured to, but you don't exist in a vacuum. Your comments whether you want them to be or not are colored by the thoughts and comments of everyone else here AND everyone else here previous to you who has said the same or similar things. You should perhaps cut him some slack with the understanding that he and many others have been driven to using the tone they have in their replies and it becomes incumbent upon you to prove that you deserve better.

Not very fair, but the world isn't and again you aren't in a vacuum.

 

[mitros]

You got it!

 

[mitros]

The "you got it" was for you, YoHo snuck in ahead of my post. {I've got to learn to type faster}

 

[Planogirl]

DisneyKidds, I have to add my two cents here. I enjoy reading your comments even though they seem a little distorted by a pair of rose colored glasses to me. And that's the point! You sound totally rational to yourself while I sound rational to me and the Baron sounds rational to himself and so on. We learn and develop our ideas by listening to all of these varying viewpoints. (I hope that I don't sound condescending!)

AV, in my opinion, tries to explain his own perceptions of what's really going on and does so in an entertaining way. I don't feel that I have to agree but each and every one of his posts but they all cause me to sit back and think about the subject at hand. And that's a good thing while we try to figure out this convoluted mess known as Disney. AV has never sounded condescending in any way to me but has simply stated his ideas and observations and I personally have a lot of respect for those.

I won't leave but I can tell you honestly that AV leaving is a big blow to this board just as the frozen headed guy and the pirate leaving were. I have to hope that AV will reconsider and come back just as they did.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Boy - I feel really sorry for those who might turn in to find an MGM rumor..............but anyway...................

AV, in my opinion, tries to explain his own perceptions of what's really going on and does so in an entertaining way. I don't feel that I have to agree but each and every one of his posts but they all cause me to sit back and think about the subject at hand. And that's a good thing while we try to figure out this convoluted mess known as Disney. AV has never sounded condescending in any way to me but has simply stated his ideas and observations and I personally have a lot of respect for those.

Hey, I pretty much completely agree. It is just unfortunate that it appears to be AV's observation that he is the only one who knows that the World is full of rumors that will never be, and probably shouldn't even be rumors. It is unfortunate that it is his observation that I jump all over every rumor I see. Perhaps that isn't what he intended to say, but his comments in direct response to my post make it a pretty easy connection. Maybe he was just trying to be 'entertaining', but was there really a need for the entire first half of his post? He typed a whole page before he even got to the rumor at hand, and it seems that page was dedicated to pointing out how foolish it is to believe every rumor and that some people know better. Heck, I hadn't even said I believed this rumor and I was just looking for some info. Maybe his dissertation on the dangers of jumping on every rumor weren't directed at me, but if they weren't he picked a heck of a place to get on his soapbox.

You sound totally rational to yourself while I sound rational to me and the Baron sounds rational to himself and so on. We learn and develop our ideas by listening to all of these varying viewpoints. (I hope that I don't sound condescending!)

I agree (and no, you don't sound condescending ). However, I wasn't attemptig to sound rational in professing my belief that an attraction was coming to MGM. I asked a question about the possibilty that a new attraction was in the works (and it isn't like I ask the question often - last time was a few months ago when I posted similar info about 'Forbidden Mountain' ) and I was told (to paraphrase AV) that the World is full of all kinds of rumors, I should stop jumping all over every rumor I read, and a new attraction is unlikely for MGM in the near future for this reason and that reason. Frankly, I would have much preferred he just told me he didn't think an attraction was likely and why.

(There, that sounded rational...................to me at least )

I can tell you honestly that AV leaving is a big blow to this board just as the frozen headed guy and the pirate leaving were. I have to hope that AV will reconsider and come back just as they did.

I agree. I hope AV has not gone to the great freezer in the sky, or sailed into the sunset. However, if he has he has got to have better reasons than this.

 

[raidermatt]

What is it they say about opinions and some holes?

Since everybody's got 'em, here's mine.

AV's post had one sentence that I think could come off as a bit preachy, which was the "But if you jump..." sentence.

However, I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant that way, and probably wasn't even directed at any particular individual, but was instead a general statement.

DK, I don't think your original post was particularly rose-colored, other than the comment about this rumor beind ONE of the reasons for you to stay in car 2 (which, by the way, we all know is a classic case of denial )

That comment is probably what precipitated the "But if you jump..." sentence. Sounds like an even trade of general statements that may or may not be directed at any individual or car, and both should probably be cut some slack especially given the imperfections of this medium. Certainly I don't think anyone really was trying to offend anyone else.

So, hopefully, NOBODY feels the need to take anything more than a temporary break from our discussions.

As for the original topic...

I have no idea. I can only speculate. I'd like to think Disney knows they can't let MGM go largely untouched for another 5 years or so. Further, as I said, while spending is most certainly decreasing, its still possible that the exisiting parks could get more investment than in recent years due to the construction of new parks sucking up less than in the recent past.

So its possible that decreased spending and this 'additional' MGM attraction might not be mutually exclusive. Based on Scoop's post, it seems pretty clear something is at least under consideration (note, he said WDW, not MGM, so that leaves a lot of possibilities open), but as AV also points out, that doesn't necessarily mean it will move ahead.

Another thing to consider is that Epcot is still sitting there in need of something more than M:S, no matter how good M:S turns out to be. While MGM shouldn't be ignored for the next 5 years, Epcot can't be ignored either.

Then there's DCA, and rumors of DL getting another E-ticket in 3-4 years... There's a lot of hands fighting for the shrinking pool of park investment dollars.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by DisneyKidds
I guess it may not matter though, as.......................

........................as it appears I may have scared off another important poster .

So it is you that determines for everyone who the important posters are? I'm sure you did not mean it to come off like that....



back to MGM, how could you people want more stuff in MGM after all we just got a Giant Hat, a Walk through of Walt's old stuff and a great new parade.

 

[DisneyKidds]

So it is you that determines for everyone who the important posters are? I'm sure you did not mean it to come off like that....

Hey, just because I may think AV is 'important' doesn't mean I think anyone else is not. We are all important. Combine that with the Crickets mystery over the big one that got away, hence the lost important poster comment. I know, I know - I get your point.....................you could have read it that way and misinterpreted, etc., etc., etc.

If you really want my opinion, I do consider AV more important a poster than myself. If one of us had to be banished I'd prefer it be me since AV does have sources for some inside info. Everyone's opinion is important, but some people have access to more goods. Make of that whatever you like.

As for MGM, when did RnR open up? Has it really been that long since there was a real addition? Was Fantasmic pre or post RnR?

 

[Walt's Frozen Head]

To drive him (AV) away would be a detriment to this board

That depends on who you ask.

There are some people here who would rather not hear the things AV has to say, because it would force them to reconsider their own faith. They come here to hear about more Magic, not business reality.

It is no wonder AV has left/is leaving/is considering leaving the boards: what is there to stick around for? The folks buying what he's selling are a tiny minority 'round here.

Unless he simply enjoys the semantic excercise of skinning stupidity alive in the mid-day sun (I understand that's the only reason some personalities still hang around the DIS), there is nothing for AV here.

For better or worse, the DIS is where people come to make and hear happy Disney noises. Another Voice, and several others, have never been welcome here for that reason... and that condition has gotten worse as Disney's own condition gets worse.

May your waves always remain tasty, dog.

-WFH

 

[mitros]

So,AV did not care for what some folks had to say, so he/she took his /her ball and ran home? Sorry I don't know if AV is male or female. Not that it matters

 

[OnWithTheShow]

Fantasmic opened in 1998.
Rock n Roller Coaster opened in 1999.

 

[raidermatt]

Never would have guessed that Scoop is really Martha Stuart.

 

[raidermatt]

Sorry, Martha!

Seriously, the post was a take on your last line "And that's a good thing". That's a signature of Martha on her show (You can pick up on it when Saturday Night Live does a parody as well... Their "Martha Stewart's Topless Christmas" was particularly strong)

 

[Walt's Frozen Head]

'Scoop,

You're definitely correct that the Rumors and News Board is indeed something of an oasis on the DIS for those of the Car-less-than-two persuasion. My reference to "'round here" meant the DIS in general, not so much the R&N board in particular. Much of the thanks for that goes to Sara and Luis and a certain amount of moderatorly restraint applying the "on-topic" rule to certain posts.

If I may egregiously abuse an analogy, it's sorta like telling us "you're not a minority, why, just look at how many of you there are here at the back of the bus," ya know?

-WFH
www.jjewell.com

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Scoop!

May I point out a small error in one of your recent posts? Really small. Insignificant almost, in letter count, but MONUMENTAL regarding content.

You said:

Heck, I've stuck around even though people think I'm either lying, blinded, or ignorant for believing what I do about the current state and future prospects of WDW.

You need to omit the word ‘either’ and replace the 'or' with an 'and'!!

Thank you!!

 

[Planogirl]

No way, my friend. Look at the regular posters. Many more agree with you and Baron and Voice and Larry and Matt and Bob and Europa and HBK and Plano and Hope and......

This is a Car #3 type dominated board. That's not necessarily bad either. Heck, I've stuck around even though people think I'm either lying, blinded, or ignorant for believing what I do about the current state and future prospects of WDW.

I think that a lot of people who never post read here too. And even if they don't agree, it gives them something to think about.

And scoop, I never have thought that you lied...

DisneyKidds, you're probably right about one thing. It's not just this little fuss that might have made AV leave. Just my view but sometimes too much pixie dust and "hugs" in the face of reality (admittedly MY reality) can get to a person once in a while. I'm not saying that is why AV might have gone away but maybe it added to the decision?

As for the original post... what was it again?

I assume they'd keep the back stage studio tour as they can't afford to lose an attraction

This part caught my eye. WDW has lost a lot of attractions, why not the backstage tour? The Studios aren't really functioning as a working studio any more so why keep up the facade? I think that area would house a coaster real nicely.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Originally posted by Walt's Frozen Head
That depends on who you ask.

There are some people here who would rather not hear the things AV has to say, because it would force them to reconsider their own faith. They come here to hear about more Magic, not business reality.

It is no wonder AV has left/is leaving/is considering leaving the boards: what is there to stick around for? The folks buying what he's selling are a tiny minority 'round here.

Unless he simply enjoys the semantic excercise of skinning stupidity alive in the mid-day sun (I understand that's the only reason some personalities still hang around the DIS), there is nothing for AV here.

For better or worse, the DIS is where people come to make and hear happy Disney noises. Another Voice, and several others, have never been welcome here for that reason... and that condition has gotten worse as Disney's own condition gets worse.

-WFH

Hey, let's see who else I can "offend" today . Sorry Head (if you can hear this) but any implication that this applies at all on the R&N Board is a crock . Every last word of it. Even your clarification after Scoop refuted the details hardly makes this post any more true.

WDW has lost a lot of attractions, why not the backstage tour?

Simply BECAUSE of the fact that they have lost so many attractions. Disney should be coming up with additions, and not just replacements.