New car seat law in Florida..?

[dae3dae3]

My kids have never been in a taxi (& I spent my childhood riding around in my grandpa's pick-up bed - we're country .

I'm checking into the Bubblebum seats but it looks like they are only available in the UK..? They're available on Amazon but are $80 a pop!!! Target sells them on-line but not in stores & won't deliver to Canada.

I'm thinking this is more hassle than it's worth - we have early ADRs at MK, CM & Akershus - we should be able to make these coming from AoA if we are at the bus stop for 6:30 right? They are all for between 7:45 & 8am last week of Aug.

TIA!!

I see them on Amazon for $29.99. Maybe Canada has different pricing. Anyways, here is the link in case it helps.

http://www.amazon.com/BubbleBum-Inf...TF8&qid=1406135320&sr=8-1&keywords=bubble+bum

 

[Crl1817]

Sorry, but no. Taxis and cars for hire are exempt. This is fairly standard across the U.S.

ETA: And if you look at the definitional statute, a parent or guardian couldn't be ticketed because they don't meet the definition of an "operator" of a motor vehicle in cases of taxis. All paragraph 6 is saying is that the parent is responsible for ensuring the safety of their children.

Your interpretation would render the last sentence meaningless, which violates a basic premise of statutory interpretation. Got a citation?

 

[Madame]

I see them on Amazon for $29.99. Maybe Canada has different pricing. Anyways, here is the link in case it helps. http://www.amazon.com/BubbleBum-Inflatable-Car-Booster-Seat/dp/B00AQYZCXK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406135320&sr=8-1&keywords=bubble+bum

Thanks - Amazon.com won't ship to us. I tried your link but it won't recognize the shipping address. The Canadian version of Amazon will ship here, but is more than double the price - probably because they are not approved for use here, so even if we bought them it would be illegal to use them at home. We'll just stick with the bus system

 

[jtowntoflorida]

Your interpretation would render the last sentence meaningless, which violates a basic premise of statutory interpretation. Got a citation?

You really can't interpret a statute without looking at the definitions that apply to it. One of my favorite law school professor's favorite phrases was, "The first rule of stautory construction is: read on." I give you section 316.003 of the Florida statutes:

(25) OPERATOR.—Any person who is in actual physical control of a motor vehicle upon the highway, or who is exercising control over or steering a vehicle being towed by a motor vehicle.
(26) OWNER.—A person who holds the legal title of a vehicle, or, in the event a vehicle is the subject of an agreement for the conditional sale or lease thereof with the right of purchase upon performance of the conditions stated in the agreement and with an immediate right of possession vested in the conditional vendee or lessee, or in the event a mortgagor of a vehicle is entitled to possession, then such conditional vendee, or lessee, or mortgagor shall be deemed the owner, for the purposes of this chapter.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.003.html


Since a parent who is also riding in a taxi for hire could not possibly be the operator of the vehicle, section 316.613 doesn't apply to them.



Also, I'm not sure if you continued to follow our conversation from last week, but I did find a citation for you for Southwest's written policy on headphones on aircraft. I'll C&P from that thread for you:

Luckily, I was on a Southwest flight today. I don't know if it's a rule, or policy, but clearly stated in their onboard magazine, Spirit, it says: "Please use headphones for all audio and video."

Here's a link to the online version. Page 171, in the far left column under the headline "Please abide by public announcements from Flight Attendants concerning electronic devices."
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/pace...t_201407/#/172

(I also enjoyed the article in there on One Hit Wonders. It was pretty interesting.)

You're welcome.

 

[Disfan1968]

Thanks for the feedback from you all. Most interesting to me, really, is that this is not an issue that has been researched and definitively proven one way or the other already here on DISBOARDS. This most certainly is not the first time it has come up. I'm almost surprised there is no sticky on transportation that board on this either way.

 

[Crl1817]

You really can't interpret a statute without looking at the definitions that apply to it. One of my favorite law school professor's favorite phrases was, "The first rule of stautory construction is: read on." I give you section 316.003 of the Florida statutes:



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.003.html


Since a parent who is also riding in a taxi for hire could not possibly be the operator of the vehicle, section 316.613 doesn't apply to them.



Also, I'm not sure if you continued to follow our conversation from last week, but I did find a citation for you for Southwest's written policy on headphones on aircraft. I'll C&P from that thread for you:



You're welcome.

I don't find your statutory analysis all that compelling, given that it renders the final sentence meaningless. Again it is a basic principle to assume that the legislature meant something by the words it enacted. Perhaps there is legislative history that would clarify. Or case law. Others have posted finding varying interpretations on the point.

I have no idea why you are dragging a completely unrelated thread into this one so you can continue to be rude to me. That's pretty lousy.

 

[Canuckbiggs]

This is my recommendation as well. There is also the option of doing a booster rental with the car, if you don't want to lug your own on the plane with you (this is what we do). If you are really concerned about having a booster in the cab (which I would be at 6 and under), then I think having a car with the seats in it would be the way to go since I would have no idea how you'd get around the issue of lugging boosters around WDW with you at whatever destination the cab is taking you.

I am not sure what the OP is looking for?

Are they concerned with safety or the low probability of getting a ticket?

I don't see a child riding on a bus (not in a car seat) any safer than a child riding in a cab (not in a car seat).

Either take the car seats and use them or don't. The chances of a ticket are extremely low. The more important issue is the child travelling safely.

Personally, we always rent a car (as we stay off site) but I always bring our personal car seats (even when it was 2 full size Britax seats). Rental cars are super cheap, super handy to have and allows me to know my good quality child seats are properly installed.

JMO.

For the Cdn looking for shipping options. You can use any UPS store for their "Ship to Service" in the US. I have probably had 100 packages shipped from online orders to the UPS store in Niagara Falls NY. Works wonderfully. You could do the same to a UPS store in Orlando, or near Disney if you needed something. Plus Walmart has a "ship to store" option that you can pick items up at any store you pick in the US.

 

[Mfisc]

For the Cdn looking for shipping options. You can use any UPS store for their "Ship to Service" in the US. I have probably had 100 packages shipped from online orders to the UPS store in Niagara Falls NY. Works wonderfully. You could do the same to a UPS store in Orlando, or near Disney if you needed something. Plus Walmart has a "ship to store" option that you can pick items up at any store you pick in the US.

Or I would just have the items shipped to the Disney resort... Is the problem on the US site is that it will not take a Credit Card with a CDN billing address??

 

[Love Tink]

I don't see a child riding on a bus (not in a car seat) any safer than a child riding in a cab (not in a car seat).

I am past my years of worrying about car seats (and we always just brought backless booster seats or gate-checked ours) but:

There is actually a huge difference between the type of collisions cars have and the types of collisions buses have. Buses are built to withstand impact differently, are bottom heavy, and there isn't the same risk of being thrown from the vehicle. Seat belts (and car seats) on buses actually increase the possibility for head and neck injuries.

 

[MrInfinity]

Thanks for the feedback from you all. Most interesting to me, really, is that this is not an issue that has been researched and definitively proven one way or the other already here on DISBOARDS. This most certainly is not the first time it has come up. I'm almost surprised there is no sticky on transportation that board on this either way.

Lots of good info out here. I'm more comfortable w cabs and kids now...

I'd say there's no sticky because it's not really a Disney topic. It's kind of a "when you take a cab in general" topic -- better asked of the FL DMV than of internet strangers if having a positive legally binding answer matters to you.

Kind of like if you asked... "what's the best way to take care of your lawn while away on a 2-week Disney vacation"... is not really a Disney issue, it is more of a post for a forum like gardenweb.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

I don't find your statutory analysis all that compelling, given that it renders the final sentence meaningless. Again it is a basic principle to assume that the legislature meant something by the words it enacted. Perhaps there is legislative history that would clarify. Or case law. Others have posted finding varying interpretations on the point.

I have no idea why you are dragging a completely unrelated thread into this one so you can continue to be rude to me. That's pretty lousy.

I wasn't going to respond, but since so many people are interested in the topic, I just want to clarify one thing. I didn't say that the last sentence of section 316.613 was meaningless, but I don't think that it has the meaning that you think it does. It does not impose criminal penalties on the parent, the purpose of it is to shift responsibility for failure to secure a child in a carseat while in a taxi for hire from the operator of the taxi to the parent, in order to protect the taxi driver from liability in the event that an accident were to occur. So, if you as a parent choose not to put your kid in a carseat in a taxi and there is an accident, you cannot turn around and sue the taxi company for not making sure your kid is secured in a carseat. Because a parent, guardian, etc. is excluded from the definition of an operator, they can't be ticketed for failure to secure a child, but they also can't try to shove the responsibility for securing that child onto someone else. As I said earlier, ultimately, it is the parent's responsibility to ensure the wellbeing of their children.

 

[set1208]

I just bought a BubbleBum booster at Walmart for $25 and it folds up into a bag that's about 10 inches tall and maybe 8 inches around. Not the most comfortable seat for daily use but perfect for traveling and short term usage.