New Al Lutz: DCA Attendance Records, Removal of Nemo Subs?, New 3rd Marvel Park?

maybe they will jsut redo the rides to make them better idk, but also remember some where in Anih some one is closeting a big amount of are close to dl over moeny issues. They could buy that and make it a parking garage maybe to hold more cars in side and on top of one another to make more cars able to park. I never have used the parking spots so i dont know what they already have.
Ok late here this is last post till tomorrow night all
 
No Marvel, please! :sad2: I'm not against reaching out to franchises for inspiration, but Marvel branding is completely linked with Six Flags. It would be a shame that Disney couldn't think of any concept more creative and original to place inside Tomorrowland than something that another park already does, even if Disneyland spends 10x the amount on effects. What Disneyland does has to feel like nothing else, anywhere in the world.

Yep..I don't really like rollercoasters and would hate to see Disney just plop a mess of them somewhere do draw the thrill audience. Disney has the creativity, technology and dollars to do better. If you want a bunch of coasters you can go to Six Flags. The new Universal ride sounds interesting... Disney could certainly do a great job with a hybrid of simulators and motion. I like the sound of the Tron ride. I like exciting fun rides not big masses of steel coasters and hope Disney doesn't go that route.
 
Disney does not want to look like Six Flags and will not build a park with a bunch of thrill coasters. It is just not going to happen.

While it is hard for me to see how a Marvel park would work, if Disney did it then it would be more like Disney and not Six Flags.
 
I think the collective wisdom of the crowd has pointed out a few things... obviously any "third park" would be a huge undertaking, with additional parking requirements, the city of Anaheim being involved, presumably total redevelopment of a large parcel of land plus a new parking structure... it's a big deal and not something that would happen quickly.

Conversely, the area at the back of FL would be super easy to redevelop, it's even got access from the back for construction equipment, and you could build back there without disrupting most of the park.

Other than the planning phase -- which could take a long long time, given it's Disney, and they do sweat the details -- a couple of world class rides could go in there in a 18-24 month time frame. So, in the grand cosmic scheme of things, quickly. Probably they could start construction in 2014 or 2015 and open in 2016ish, if they had a vision for what types of rides they wanted to add and what kind of theming they thought would make sense.

TL would be medium term. It would require some effort and planning to figure out how to carve out that part of the park and leave Space Mountain able to be used during the construction. I would think that they would strongly consider taking out the theatre for EO and/or upgrading it to be able to have live entertainment like the Hyperion and/or upgrading it to be able to do something like the Muppets 3-D or It's Tough to be a Bug.

It's probably logical to do as much as possible all at once, given the disruption, so I'd think you'd see Autopia, Innovations, Nemo, the old dock area, and the People Mover all taken out. That's a LOT of space, probably 20% of the land in DL, and it could easily fit three or four new attractions.

So, between the design and logistics, it would be hard to even start construction any quicker than three to five years from now i.e. I'd be surprised if the first shovel happened any sooner than 2017. On the flip side, they'd probably do what they could to finish the project quickly with an 18-24 month schedule, even though it is more ambitious than the FL project.

Just some blather from reading these posts and Al's post... I am very excited about the concepts -- even a Marvel themed group of rides could be cool -- and I agree that while you don't want to plunk down a bunch of thrill rides with theming slapped on them, I think it's correct that they'll be looking to put some more exciting offerings in there aimed at the late teenage and college type crowd, also the older thrill seeker crowd.

The excitement is leavened though by the realization that it's really unlikely we'll be riding anything new until 2016 or 2017 at the earliest, and that's likely to be one new ride, possibly two, at the back of FL. Total redevelopment of Tomorrowland -- unless they've got very detailed plans from a while back that were put on the back burner -- is something we're not likely to see for close to a decade, in terms of actually being on a ride... and the third park is the kind of thing we might not see for fifteen years, realistically.
 

Athough I would love to see a revamp of Tomorrowland..li have to say that one of my kids favorite rides is Autopia. We have to go on it a few times every visit. they are 9 and 8...

Even though it may seem a bit boring to us...the kids just LOVE it from the time they were really small. I think though, like other here, changing out the cars and going away from those sinky gas motors they have would be a plus!!

I do hope they keep Autopia in some form!
 
i dont think we will see anything till 2015 but they may already have plans and just not telling us about them. They may have already been working on what to do with FL, because the lady on the Lilly bell said it had been a plan in the works for 10years to develop the back of FL and she said they are jsut about to start working on it. IE they must have plans set up. Also the tomorrow land could be sectioned off leaving the space and star tours alone and just walling off the rest to the left section (i just hope they dont mess up Matthorn )
 
Isn't there a plan to make a slight makeover to FL in DL?
Or is that WDW?
Or did I have another disney park related dream?
 
Isn't there a plan to make a slight makeover to FL in DL?
Or is that WDW?
Or did I have another disney park related dream?

WDW's MK is redoing their Fantasyland. The current rumored plans for DL involve expanding Frontierland.
 
WDW's MK is redoing their Fantasyland. The current rumored plans for DL involve expanding Frontierland.

thank you for the clarification.
at least I didn't make this up in a dream. Like when I told my wife I read that they were going to remodel indy during our vacation. She nearly beat me...
 
no not just frontier land according to the cm on lilly bell in may yes they are adding to FL in DL the back part isnt used and they can add alot more to it.
 
when I was readin about the parking issue to my hubby he mentioned taking Pinociho's parking lot (the lot next to mickey and friends that isn't enclosed) and build it up from there just like another mickey and friends parking stucture. I mentioned that they need room for RV's and busses which need high clearance and he said well can't they have the lower floor then have a higher clearance and I said engineering wise I'm not sure that would work having a higher overhang/clearance on the bottom would put more pressure on the bottom supports thus leaving it to possibly collapse, NOW I am NOT an engineer but demonstrated what I was talking about using my son's legos.
Any engineer's here that can verify what I am talking about?

With the subs they are too new to go but they don't have to lines they used to, I noticed the article said nothing about the Captain EO theater, what about leaving the subs alone and using the real esatate over there, what about the people mover?!?

I think useing the chairs in Walle that the humans used on the people mover would be great then you have all these robots come out and "serve" you like in the movie.
I think the Captain EO theater would be great for a Phineas and Ferb thing

whatever they do they HAVE TO MOVE THE ROCKETS! Having them at the entrance causes a huge traffic flow problem especially during a parade.
 
I loved Autopia as a kid, but my children just aren't impressed with it. I think it just isn't appealing to their generation, i.e. it isn't novel.

Innoventions is a snore fest for me, but my kids like it. Go figure.

I personally like the subs, but they are a minor attraction for me due to the long wait time to board them.

An entire Marvel themed park would not be appealing to my family at all.

A change in Tomorrowland would be exciting, but I hope they keep the retro feel to it.

Autopia, ditto.
Innoventions, ditto (good for a/c on a really hot day).
Really really hope the subs don't go- depending on WHAT went in, there's still a lot of land if you combo innoventions/autopia/old area that was Donald's Boats.
Marvel, ditto.
Tomorrowland, ditto.
 
Somehow, if Autopia were to be removed I have a feeling that the same type of ride would be built in Carsland on a smaller footprint. It just seems so perfect.

As for Marvel, I originally hated it. But after seeing concept art (not Disney) for a proposed park in Dubai, I think it could be quite interesting. Here’s the link

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2010/09/now-that-dlp-ceo-revealed-that-dlp.html

Thanks for the link! It does look like it could be quite incredible. It's hard for me to imagine a disney theme park featuring comic book characters to have that warm fuzzy "disney feeling"... but it's certainly an interesting concept.
 
Somehow, if Autopia were to be removed I have a feeling that the same type of ride would be built in Carsland on a smaller footprint. It just seems so perfect.

Right now there's really no space for something like that in Cars Land unless they took out A Bug's Land and used that instead. Then again, I don't think that A Bug's Land would be too terribly lamented if it went away, since its lightly themed off-the-shelf rides seem to be one of the last vestiges of the old "cheap" DCA...

They've done quite a bit of messing around with Autopia over the years, with as many as three different versions at once. I could see a shorter version surviving, especially as there seems to be a lot of empty space in between the tracks. I think a bigger issue with developing on this part of the park is the fact that the Monorail tracks go over it several times, and I think there wouldn't be a lot of options besides moving the tracks around or building around them. Then again, a third gate could require a completely new monorail (similar to the one between the TTC and Epcot) anyway...
 
I mentioned that they need room for RV's and busses which need high clearance and he said well can't they have the lower floor then have a higher clearance and I said engineering wise I'm not sure that would work having a higher overhang/clearance on the bottom would put more pressure on the bottom supports thus leaving it to possibly collapse, NOW I am NOT an engineer but demonstrated what I was talking about using my son's legos.
Any engineer's here that can verify what I am talking about?

Yes, the support structures on the bottom floor would need to be engineered for more strength. But that would be well within the capabilities of modern materials. Just a matter of engineering.

-Bob
 
i ahve always thought bugs land should be re done its not one we ever go to maybe some times the bugs 3d but thats the only thing my fam even thinks of going to
 
Somehow, if Autopia were to be removed I have a feeling that the same type of ride would be built in Carsland on a smaller footprint. It just seems so perfect.

As for Marvel, I originally hated it. But after seeing concept art (not Disney) for a proposed park in Dubai, I think it could be quite interesting. Here’s the link

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2010/09/now-that-dlp-ceo-revealed-that-dlp.html

Very interesting pics. Thanks for posting! After seeing them, however, I really can't see an entire park dedicated to marvel. Like many others have said, there could be some great rides (i.e tron) but not the whole park...
 
I’m a little saddened by the idea of a tomorrowland makeover. I’m a WDW veteran that has recently discovered DLR and have fallen in love with it, mainly because of the things that make it unique compared to WDW. And the 1959 Tomorrowland is one of those things with the careful integration of the Matterhorn surrounded by the submarine lagoon, and the Monorail, Peoplemover and Autopia weaving around above the lagoon. Now if only they would bring the People mover back online. Compared to its Florida counterpart the Autopia is quite a little gem, I hate seeing that go.

I don’t care about the Innoventions building let it crumble.
 


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