Never again

[DCLMP]

Have we decided that the inappropriate behavior is just inappropriate in our own culture? That maybe elsewhere it is normal and acceptable?

You make a good point.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Can you point out where you said we should turn our backs?

I'm not going to police other peoples kids, but those that want to can certainly do that. I will be in the adult area enjoying my cruise.

Not going to argue semantics with you. The question was raised ‘should Disney provide more enforcement of rules? I argued they should. You said ‘

The OP's complaints were mostly regarding parents not managing their children. Kids are going to be kids. It's the adults job to correct bad behavior.

That’s saying it’s not for Disney, but parents. Turning your back.

and I disagree. I’m not talking about kids playing. I’m talking about more dangerous behavior and about theft. But whatever, kids will be kids. Shrugs.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Have we decided that the inappropriate behavior is just inappropriate in our own culture? That maybe elsewhere it is normal and acceptable?

Some people are talking about more than inappropriate behavior but behavior that violates ship rules.

 

[tink1970]

Have we decided that the inappropriate behavior is just inappropriate in our own culture? That maybe elsewhere it is normal and acceptable?

Theft (taking alcohol from the concierge lounge) is, I believe, penalized and frowned upon in most if not all cultures. The underage drinking is a little more nuanced. "Teens" consuming said alcohol onboard DCL is against the stated rules-despite their culture of origin, Disney Cruise line is quite specific that their definition of legal consumption is 21 (the US legal age). I would think (but am not sure since those days have long passed me by and I don't drink) adhering to the drinking age is part of the contract that everyone signs prior to boarding and consuming stolen booze is quite different from consuming a glass of wine (or other spirits) with family at home with (ideally) non purloined adult beverages.

ETA-apparently 18-20 year olds would be allowed to consume alcoholic beverages if the appropriate forms were filled out...I stand corrected -thank you

 

[DCLMP]

Not going to argue semantics with you. The question was raised ‘should Disney provide more enforcement of rules? I argued they should. You said ‘



That’s saying it’s not for Disney, but parents. Turning your back.

and I disagree. I’m not talking about kids playing. I’m talking about more dangerous behavior and about theft. But whatever, kids will be kids. Shrugs.

What dangerous behavior are you referring to?

 

[DCLMP]

Theft (taking alcohol from the concierge lounge) is, I believe, penalized and frowned upon in most if not all cultures. The underage drinking is a little more nuanced. "Teens" consuming said alcohol onboard DCL is against the stated rules-despite their culture of origin, Disney Cruise line is quite specific that their definition of legal consumption is 21 (the US legal age). I would think (but am not sure since those days have long passed me by and I don't drink) adhering to the drinking age is part of the contract that everyone signs prior to boarding and consuming stolen booze is quite different from consuming a glass of wine (or other spirits) with family at home with (ideally) non purloined adult beverages.

Disney should probably lock up the alcohol in the lounge if it's that big an issue. Adults should not leave unopened beer on deck 4 for anyone to grab and keep an eye on the stash they have in the room. Kids that steal alcohol are probably stealing it and drinking at home. Your not going to change kids behavior on a cruise. If you see a kid stealing alcohol you are free to report it.

The drinking age in Europe is 18 and 16 in some countries like Germany. On other cruise lines anyone over 18 can purchase alcohol on a European cruise. Even the the unlimited drink package if they want to. Disney also allows 18 and above to drink if a cruise begins and ends in Europe.

 

[auntlynne]

Some people are talking about more than inappropriate behavior but behavior that violates ship rules.

Theft (taking alcohol from the concierge lounge) is, I believe, penalized and frowned upon in most if not all cultures. The underage drinking is a little more nuanced. "Teens" consuming said alcohol onboard DCL is against the stated rules-despite their culture of origin, Disney Cruise line is quite specific that their definition of legal consumption is 21 (the US legal age). I would think (but am not sure since those days have long passed me by and I don't drink) adhering to the drinking age is part of the contract that everyone signs prior to boarding and consuming stolen booze is quite different from consuming a glass of wine (or other spirits) with family at home with (ideally) non purloined adult beverages.

ETA-apparently 18-20 year olds would be allowed to consume alcoholic beverages if the appropriate forms were filled out...I stand corrected -thank you

I was thinking more about running and being loud - that type of what I think of as civilized. I would not be one to say theft, underage drinking, violence… was okay in any culture.

 

[DCL Repeaters]

Have we decided that the inappropriate behavior is just inappropriate in our own culture? That maybe elsewhere it is normal and acceptable?

Hmmm.. I don’t know. June 2022 Greek Isles cruise, table of 8 or more teens throwing food at each other in Cabanas. Left a disgusting mess for the CM’s to clean up.

 

[auntlynne]

Hmmm.. I don’t know. June 2022 Greek Isles cruise, table of 8 or more teens throwing food at each other in Cabanas. Left a disgusting mess for the CM’s to clean up.

The Greeks do throw ceramic plates on the floor (in movies).

I imagine that’s a bread bridge too far from them, too.

Can I say what’s the deal with these kids?

 

[DCLMP]

The Greeks do throw ceramic plates on the floor (in movies).

I imagine that’s a bread bridge too far from them, too.

Can I say what’s the deal with these kids?

Sounds like there were a handful of rowdy kids on that cruise. I don't think it's the norm. In fact I know it's not the norm, but things do happen.
We cruised RCI in 2020 and the cruise before ours a brawl broke out in the teen club and there was some property damage. No issues on our cruise. NCL, RCI, Carnival all have 1am curfews for kids. Disney does not.

I'm not sure what the solution is other than not cruise on cruises that are geared towards kids. A lot of people choose to do just that. There's no way a cruise line can police all the the parents and kids on a cruise.

I don't think I would say never again based on one cruise. I've cruised in Europe many times on DCL and there were no issues. Maybe I got lucky or the OP was just unlucky.

 

[RedHead0186]

Teenagers being teenagers happens on every cruise. All of us have been teenagers so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is and has been that way for decades, and if you say it hasn't you are totally in denial. The drunk loud adults that act like teens is much more concerning.

Swiping booze from concierge is "teenagers being teenagers?" Yes, I was a teenager but never would have done something like that. Being noisy, in the hallways, I'd like to think that I was more courteous than that, but who knows. I don't mind a little noise in the hallways, but constantly running up and down the hallways and yelling is a bit much (especially at late hours).

I'm not arguing it hasn't been that way for decades. But, just because something has been a certain way doesn't make it right. My parents raised me to be respectful and follow the rules. Saying "kids will be kids" or "teenagers will be teenagers" is a cop out, in my opinion. No, kids will not be well behaved 100% of the time, but I don't think that's the point of this thread. It's the ongoing, more disruptive things that parents need to take some responsibility for that we're talking about here. And taking liquor from concierge definitely falls into that category.

 

[MomOTwins]

Swiping booze from concierge is "teenagers being teenagers?" Yes, I was a teenager but never would have done something like that. Being noisy, in the hallways, I'd like to think that I was more courteous than that, but who knows. I don't mind a little noise in the hallways, but constantly running up and down the hallways and yelling is a bit much (especially at late hours).

I'm not arguing it hasn't been that way for decades. But, just because something has been a certain way doesn't make it right. My parents raised me to be respectful and follow the rules. Saying "kids will be kids" or "teenagers will be teenagers" is a cop out, in my opinion. No, kids will not be well behaved 100% of the time, but I don't think that's the point of this thread. It's the ongoing, more disruptive things that parents need to take some responsibility for that we're talking about here. And taking liquor from concierge definitely falls into that category.

I mean… yes? Teens sneaking drinks from one of the kids’ parents liquor cabinets while the parents aren’t home is definitely a think that has been pretty commonplace for decades. And I could see how teens staying in concierge might see how their parents get free drinks from the concierge lounge and think it is not stealing because drinks are included in concierge fare for adults, and the fare is no different for an 18 year old than a 21 year old. As you say, not something I would have done as a teen but I could definitely see some of my high school classmates doing it. Definitely in the range of normal teen behavior, because teens do a lot of stupid things.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

What dangerous behavior are you referring to?

so theft is okay? just asking or did you concede my point there? As for dangerous behavior, did you miss the story last month of an underage person drinking and jumping overboard? look, you keep minimizing over and over bad behavior and all I am saying is that if it reaches the point it conflicts with the rules we all agree to when we board, then Disney could and should step in. are you saying they shouldn't?

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

I was thinking more about running and being loud - that type of what I think of as civilized. I would not be one to say theft, underage drinking, violence… was okay in any culture.

and I was saying running and being loud is not what some us are talking about... and it seems there are those that are trying to minimize the discussion to just that.

 

[yowcruiser]

A bit late to the party here as the thread was started about 10 days ago... but a few thoughts...

• "Never again" is a bit harsh... Yes, it is a Disney Cruise so regardless of the cruise you're on, you will at least have kids "pass through" adult only areas, and this is in part due to how the original 4 ships are designed by having those areas pretty much in the middle of the ship. This is less of an issue on the Wish-class ships. Unruly kid behavior is not unique to DCL - there has been similar reports on other family oriented cruise lines...
• I have been on 16 sailings and I'd argue that only once...maybe twice, I felt that some kids were a little too much left to their own to cause issues.... so it does happen... but most sailings (Europe, US) this has been a non-issue... for us
• A Disney Cruise is not for everyone. DCL does all that it can to be "adult friendly"... but it isn't adult exclusive. Those looking for that... Virgin Voyages is starting to establish themselves and Celebrity is known to have less kids on board so "policing" is less of an issue
• Some particular Disney cruises are a little bit more "adult friendly" as there will be less kids on board... due to timing, destination or length of trip. For example, you are less likely to as many school-aged kids on a TATL crossing because it is a long trip, during the school year

 

[DCLMP]

so theft is okay? just asking or did you concede my point there? As for dangerous behavior, did you miss the story last month of an underage person drinking and jumping overboard? look, you keep minimizing over and over bad behavior and all I am saying is that if it reaches the point it conflicts with the rules we all agree to when we board, then Disney could and should step in. are you saying they shouldn't?

I’m not minimizing anything. I asked you a question. I don’t read an every post or every cruise related news story. Geez lighten up and stop inferring that I think theft is ok when I clearly never said that.
I cannot control what Disney does or does not do in regards to disciplining kids no more than I can control how long they make a pier or how badly they design a ship. If you think DCL needs to do a better job policing kids then write to them and voice your concerns. I haven’t had an issue with kids on a cruise. At this point in my life have nothing to gripe about.

 

[DCLMP]

Swiping booze from concierge is "teenagers being teenagers?" Yes, I was a teenager but never would have done something like that. Being noisy, in the hallways, I'd like to think that I was more courteous than that, but who knows. I don't mind a little noise in the hallways, but constantly running up and down the hallways and yelling is a bit much (especially at late hours).

I'm not arguing it hasn't been that way for decades. But, just because something has been a certain way doesn't make it right. My parents raised me to be respectful and follow the rules. Saying "kids will be kids" or "teenagers will be teenagers" is a cop out, in my opinion. No, kids will not be well behaved 100% of the time, but I don't think that's the point of this thread. It's the ongoing, more disruptive things that parents need to take some responsibility for that we're talking about here. And taking liquor from concierge definitely falls into that category.

You honestly think teen these days don’t drink or do drugs because you didn’t. You are either in denial or don’t have teens that communicate with you. Maybe that’s why kids are doing it because their parents are oblivious.
No one is saying it’s right. People are saying a cruise is no different than anywhere else when it comes to teen behavior. If you’re shocked by it cruise an adult cruise line.

 

[jdb in AZ]

What about stealing magnets off doors, or gifts from fish extenders?

What about setting your luggage out the last night and teens run by and "deposit" their ice cream cones in your nice luggage, all over your vacation clothes.

Stuff like that makes me think twice (or a third time) about cruising again. There are other ways to spend my vacation dollars.

 

[DCLMP]

What about stealing magnets off doors, or gifts from fish extenders?

What about setting your luggage out the last night and teens run by and "deposit" their ice cream cones in your nice luggage, all over your vacation clothes.

Stuff like that makes me think twice (or a third time) about cruising again. There are other ways to spend my vacation dollars.

It's pretty shocking the teen behavior you see on the news every night. The decline in our society and lack of morality can't be blamed on any cruise line.

 

[asgur5]

Theft (taking alcohol from the concierge lounge) is, I believe, penalized and frowned upon in most if not all cultures. The underage drinking is a little more nuanced. "Teens" consuming said alcohol onboard DCL is against the stated rules-despite their culture of origin, Disney Cruise line is quite specific that their definition of legal consumption is 21 (the US legal age). I would think (but am not sure since those days have long passed me by and I don't drink) adhering to the drinking age is part of the contract that everyone signs prior to boarding and consuming stolen booze is quite different from consuming a glass of wine (or other spirits) with family at home with (ideally) non purloined adult beverages.

ETA-apparently 18-20 year olds would be allowed to consume alcoholic beverages if the appropriate forms were filled out...I stand corrected -thank you

But isnt alcohol in the concierge lounge free? Therefore its not theft but just an underage drinking issue.