Neighbor complaints about dog/considering rehoming

I'm not a dog owner. I love them but have never wanted the extra responsibility that takes to own one. But for the love of all that is holy before you decide on getting a dog, make sure you are willing to put in the work of having one. If you feel like you are too busy with child rearing and a job to daily walk your dog DON'T GET ONE. Maybe a hamster or goldfish is a more appropriate pet.
Oh dear, please don't suggest a goldfish as an easier alternative to a dog. They, like all fish, have very specific requirements, grow a foot long, and have a 25 year lifespan.... Or at least they would if anyone ever bothered to take care of them properly. Having spent nearly my entire life caring for both fish and dogs, I wholeheartedly believe dogs are the easier of the two for the average person. :fish::dogdance:
 
This is really not helpful.

I've had dogs for the last 35+ years. Yet a dog like this could totally throw me. There are times that you may end up with a pet that needs more than you anticipated. Sure, you adjust. And that's what the OP is trying to do. But the adjusting she's done hasn't helped. This has been such a helpful and kind dialogue. There really is NO reason to take it off the rails.

The OP has said she won't exercise her dog everyday. So, she is limited in how she's willing to help the dog. Sorry, I'm not going to sugar coat it.
 
Oh dear, please don't suggest a goldfish as an easier alternative to a dog. They, like all fish, have very specific requirements, grow a foot long, and have a 25 year lifespan.... Or at least they would if anyone ever bothered to take care of them properly. Having spent nearly my entire life caring for both fish and dogs, I wholeheartedly believe dogs are the easier of the two for the average person. :fish::dogdance:

I knew as soon as I replied that I would get this type of response. lol You may be right. I've never owned a fish or a hamster. And to be honest, I don't think fish belong in tanks in people's homes. I'd rather they be left in their natural water however if you say it's harder to care for a goldfish vs a dog I will take your word for it.
 
I knew as soon as I replied that I would get this type of response. lol You may be right. I've never owned a fish or a hamster. And to be honest, I don't think fish belong in tanks in people's homes. I'd rather they be left in their natural water however if you say it's harder to care for a goldfish vs a dog I will take your word for it.
And I wasn't trying to pick on you. I know the "get a goldfish" comment is more a common refrain than actual suggestion, it's just one that's always driven me crazy because fish are just about the last animals that should be suggested as something requiring minimal care. And I understand your sentiments about certain animals being kept in captivity in the first place -- it's a complicated issue for sure. But some fish species, like the goldfish, have no wild waters to call home. They're as domesticated as the poodle. :)
 
Excellent points, but not happening.

I know the OP (and probably almost all dog owners if we are being honest) is not going to spend hours each day training and exercising the dog.

That’s why I was trying to give suggestions of things that someone (OP, kids, or even a paid dog sitter) could do for 5-10 minutes at a time that would tire the dog out.

The OP has to try something, so these are the easiest techniques I can think of. The only other options are to either be miserable with the out of control dog in the house or get rid of him.
 
I posted earlier about my experiences with my high energy lab, and the physical exercise I give her.

I completely forgot about the mental exercises I work on with my lab. It's so second nature, that I forget it's a part of her daily routine.

1. Rapid fire commands! Sit, speak, roll over, shake, sit, lay, speak, speak, shake, kisses, etc. I just rattle them off. She loves this sort of "competition"!

2. Hide and seek. I'll take one of her favorite toys and hide it. Then I will ask her, "Hatley, where's cow-cow?" She starts sniffing all around, usually finding it quick. But if she needs help, I'll have her "watch me". She will follow visual hand signals to find it.

3. Hatley "helps" do jobs around the house. She takes the garbage and recycling down with me, and often carries an empty water bottle to put in the container. She also helps me unload the dishwasher. She helps pick up her toys and bring them to the basket where we keep them. Basically anything really.
She just needs to feel as if she's doing a job, and I give her HUGE praise for being a great helper!

She really thrives on feeling included! Her favorite thing is to be around us...so we try to incorporate her into anything possible.

I'll see if I can come up with anything else.
 
Excellent points, but not happening.

The OP has said she won't exercise her dog everyday. So, she is limited in how she's willing to help the dog. Sorry, I'm not going to sugar coat it.

Did you both miss this:

I also like the idea of hiring a dog walker to come during the day, I hadn't thought of that. I'm not trying to be lazy, but working full time and then kids and activities make it hard for me to walk him daily, but if I can pay someone to do it during the day while we're at work that would be wonderful.

I don't know if you mean to, but you both come across as fairly strict in your interpretation of what a dog owner should be/do. Just because she isn't able to do the walks, it doesn't mean that they won't happen. She came here looking for ways to make this work and seems to be genuinely interested in doing just that.

Also, the OP was going off of prior experience when she got this dog, and her other dog (same breed) is much more relaxed. I think it's a fair assumption to think that the level of care needed for the new dog would be similar, but reality has turned out differently. Personally, I give her credit, not snark, for facing the situation and looking for solutions that will work for the family and the dog.
 
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I don't know if you mean to, but you both come across as fairly strict in your interpretation of what a dog owner should be/do. Just because she isn't able to do the walks, it doesn't mean that they won't happen. She came here looking for ways to make this work and seems to be genuinely interested in doing just that.

Also, the OP was going off of prior experience when she got this dog, and her other dog (same breed) is much more relaxed. I think it's a fair assumption to think that the level of care needed for the new dog would be similar, but reality has turned out differently. Personally, I give her credit, not snark, for facing the situation and looking for solutions that will work for the family and the dog.
Is there some dog advice in here, or just criticism of how you think we should post?
 
I don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but another thing you might try to wear your dog out faster is to have him wear a weighted vest on his walks and while doing his activities.
 
So yesterday our next door neighbor stopped by and complained that he can hear our dog barking inside of our house (windows closed) from the inside of HIS house. He said that when we are not home, the dog barks endlessly and it's loud enough that he can hear it inside his house. I believe him.

This is the second time he has complained about our dog barking. Even though I don't particularly like this neighbor, I do give him credit for approaching us directly and not acting belligerent. He was very calm. The first time he complained, we had left our windows open in the summer and the dog barked at him while he and his family were in their backyard. We felt terrible and made it a point to always close the windows when we left the house. We didn't realize his barking could be heard inside of another house (these are single family homes, not townhomes).

Here is my dilemma. The barking is not the only issue we have with our dog. He's a 3 year old lab, very rambunctious. Due to the noise complaints, we will now be locking him and our other dog in the basement every time we leave the house to try to muffle the noise. I'm not sure what other options we have besides a collar that would zap him every time he barks? We've tried a professional trainer (see below).

He has anxiety issues (the barking, and he also nibbles constantly on toys, pillows, mattresses, and he constantly has to be pet and follows me around). He overreacts to things outside, whether it's a person walking by or a squirrel. His bark is SO loud and he absolutely will not calm down once he starts barking. He will bark for several minutes, even after the person or animal has long passed by the window. He's aggressive with other dogs (we can't take him to a dog park), he's a hot mess on walks (yelps and pulls, breathes heavily, walks side to side like a drunk man). When my daughter has friends over we have to put him away because he scares the other kids. We paid for a professional trainer that came to our house four different times to try to help. Her best solution was a collar that we can issue a warning beep with a remote if he starts barking. That's fine when we're home but that doesn't solve my issue of when we're away.

He also destroys things (which we initially dismissed as puppy behavior but now I think it's part of his anxiety), he bit the neighbor dog, and starts fights with other dogs at the dog park.

I guess I'm just feeling a little exhausted from dealing with him. My heart aches even considering the idea of rehoming him and DH was very opposed when I mentioned the thought. He's part of our family, but I'm starting to wonder if we are the best family for HIM and vice versa. DH and I both work so he's home all day for 9-10 hours. We have another dog that is very well behaved and hasn't had any of these issues.

Also, I'm leary of this neighbor and could see him slapping us with a lawsuit over something. Whether it's aggression towards his dog, or noise issues, etc. As I mentioned he's been nice enough to confront us directly up until this point. But I kind of sense that this was probably our final warning before he calls the police or takes further action. The neighbor has young children and I worry that they could approach our fence and the dog would scare them and the neighbor could turn that into a complaint as well.

I have an appointment with the vet to discuss his anxiety issues, perhaps we can try some medication. My eyes tear up by even thinking about rehoming him but I feel like it's an option that we have to start considering.

Has anyone been in a similar situation?

Oh yea...chiming in from being away for weeks and not reading any other posts.

You have a 3yo LAB that needs exercise, exercise, exercise, stimulation, training, etc.... HIRE a dog walker. PAY for him to be walked and exhausted daily with a trainer.

There are also "boot camps" for dogs you can send them too.

Any time he barks, rips up stuff, walk that dog. You walk him constantly.

Get a pinch collar. He will not be able to drag or pull you with that. Get trained on how to use it properly.

There is more, but this is the basics. You do not have to rehome if you WANT to put in the work.

It IS exhausting. Rehome if you do not want to work with him. He needs a family that can care for his special needs. Sometimes you have to do right by the dog.

My special needs dog is almost 13 and knocking on heaven's door now. He is sweet but he is exhausting. I will not miss that. He is also on Prozac. Not sure if it helped or not really. I get it through Walgreens with their 20 buck special. Vet writes script. Don't pay at the vet they overcharge for the pills.
 
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Did you both miss this:



I don't know if you mean to, but you both come across as fairly strict in your interpretation of what a dog owner should be/do. Just because she isn't able to do the walks, it doesn't mean that they won't happen. She came here looking for ways to make this work and seems to be genuinely interested in doing just that.

Also, the OP was going off of prior experience when she got this dog, and her other dog (same breed) is much more relaxed. I think it's a fair assumption to think that the level of care needed for the new dog would be similar, but reality has turned out differently. Personally, I give her credit, not snark, for facing the situation and looking for solutions that will work for the family and the dog.

I don't think exercising your dog daily is a very strict interpretation of dog ownership. As for already having a dog of the same breed, I would say, like children, they have different personalities and needs. Although, I stand by my opinion of not buying a dog if you aren't willing to walk your dog daily, which is surely a basic need for most dogs. Being in the house all day alone without exercise and then the family comes home and nobody can take the dog to the park or for a walk. Yet drugging the dog is a solution?

For anyone thinking of getting a dog, please research carefully and make sure you have the time and energy to give your pet a forever home.
 
I don't think exercising your dog daily is a very strict interpretation of dog ownership. As for already having a dog of the same breed, I would say, like children, they have different personalities and needs. Although, I stand by my opinion of not buying a dog if you aren't willing to walk your dog daily, which is surely a basic need for most dogs. Being in the house all day alone without exercise and then the family comes home and nobody can take the dog to the park or for a walk. Yet drugging the dog is a solution?

For anyone thinking of getting a dog, please research carefully and make sure you have the time and energy to give your pet a forever home.

Agree but the lab sounds like he has a case of separation anxiety. That is a SUCKY thing to deal with.

My dog was taken from his mother at 2 weeks and then we think abused at the rescue place. He is mentally messed up. We trained the CRAP out of him. Did not stop his aggression. It is "baked in" so to speak.
 
I don't think exercising your dog daily is a very strict interpretation of dog ownership...
Although, I stand by my opinion of not buying a dog if you aren't willing to walk your dog daily, which is surely a basic need for most dogs.

While I completely agree with you that walking (a good distance) is a basic need, I do not think it is the norm for most dogs.

Hardly anyone I know walks their dog daily (and many of those who do consider 15 minutes to be a “walk”). Many dogs are never walked their entire lives because people consider letting the dog out in a fenced yard to be adequate exercise.

And just for the record, I’m not simply talking about “lazy” pet owners. I’m including people working with various rescue organizations (volunteers and fosters), people involved in training (both class participants and instructors), and other therapy dog owners/volunteers.

I’m usually considered to be a freak because I walk my dogs for a minimum of two hours daily (5+ miles). And, there are definitely occasions where I would like to have the option of just letting the dogs out into a yard rather than walking them.
 
While I completely agree with you that walking (a good distance) is a basic need, I do not think it is the norm for most dogs.

Hardly anyone I know walks their dog daily (and many of those who do consider 15 minutes to be a “walk”). Many dogs are never walked their entire lives because people consider letting the dog out in a fenced yard to be adequate exercise.

And just for the record, I’m not simply talking about “lazy” pet owners. I’m including people working with various rescue organizations (volunteers and fosters), people involved in training (both class participants and instructors), and other therapy dog owners/volunteers.

I’m usually considered to be a freak because I walk my dogs for a minimum of two hours daily (5+ miles). And, there are definitely occasions where I would like to have the option of just letting the dogs out into a yard rather than walking them.

That's really interesting. We haven't had a dog in many years now but when we did he was generally walked daily for at least half an hour, along with plenty of time in the yard when it wasn't raining, snowing, too cold or too hot. He didn't have much of an issue understanding the rain or snow keeping him inside, but he would pout if it was sunny and we were allowing him out and then calling him back in quickly when it was too hot or too cold. Sometimes he would be stubborn and flop himself down in the snow or on the lawn if he felt we were being unreasonable about keeping him indoors when the sun was shining in his yard. He enjoyed a good amount of time in the mornings and in the afternoons out in his yard and would roam and patrol, keep an eye on who was passing by out front and even snoozing in the shade some. When he was truly ready to come in for a nap he'd make sure to show himself at the kitchen windows and give a little woof to announce he was ready to come in.

Seems that most of the friends and family I'm aware of these days with dogs are most likely to have smaller breeds who do not spend time in the yard and are walked several times daily to relieve themselves and get exercise. The only two that come to mind right now with larger breeds live in remote, wooded areas where the dogs are allowed free reign. I know they do take them out on hikes in the woods, but I don't think it's daily. Although from what I understand it's not uncommon for both dogs to be sort of MIA on their property for kind of long stretches of the day.
 
Unfortunately I've injured my dominant hand and wrist and cannot type very well right now. Ugh. But I will try. It may not be to the degree of my usual posts. Waiting for the ibuprofen to kick in and my DH just went to to try to find me a splint. :sick:

I've said from the beginning of this thread that I think that life for a dog with working or otherwise low key people is probably ok for most dogs. It is THIS dog we're talking about, though. The OP asked for ideas and solutions because his behavior is problematic and they have come to a crossroads about how to deal with it. It's not a stretch to say that literally this problem could ultimately cost the dog his life. I take that seriously. I have also spent most of my life working with and training dogs so I well understand the sometimes extreme challenges they can present as well as the joy that a well behaved dog can bring - and everything in between. If I can share that information to help people and dogs, then I will.

Unfortunately the information is not always easy to hear. And people have lots of ways of dealing with dogs and dog behavior. Some are ideal, some are fine, some border on inhumanity, while still others are downright cruel, depending on each given dog and situation.

There are laws on how to treat dogs, but they often deal with just a physical state - food, shelter, medical care. There aren't a lot of laws on whether something that's legally ok to do is necessarily humane. We have humane and other societies, which were started more than a century ago in response to widespread cruelty, who work tirelessly to try to educate people so dogs and other pets and animals will have a better quality of life as people are educated to their needs. But not everyone follows their recommendations and it is not required to do so. It becomes a choice. And this is where it gets tricky.

Not unlike parenting advice, dog advice can, not surprisingly, lead to all kinds of disagreements.

So the OP has two dogs, one of whom seems perfectly fine with life as is. Then we have the other dog who is acting out his displeasure with life as is, to the point where he has become destructive, a nuisance, and even developed some potentially dangerous behaviors such as aggression towards other dogs and unreliability around people. These are problems of socialization and training. Not every dog has these. But some do, and this dog is one of them.

I'm not going to make any rash judgements or recommendations that all dogs have to have nine walks a day and each must be three miles or greater. No. That is great if it happens (such fortunate dogs!), but most people who own dogs are not going to do that. Most dogs, however, are going to share part of their day with their human pack and have some sort of vigorous mental and physical stimulation at least daily or several times per week, and that's good enough for most dogs. Unfortunately, some dogs don't have even that, especially when their behavior has deteriorated to the point that they've become unpleasant to be around. And this is, if I'm understating correctly, what we are seeing here.

So now we have a dog whose needs are not being met in his living situation, his behavior is problematic, and there needs to be a solution found. Many dog enthusiasts have said, hey, I recognize that problem, a dog like a Labrador has instincts to work, and if he's woefully bored, then a good solution to the problem is simply to increase his physical exertion so he can drain some of the excess energy he has. It wouldn't have to be extreme, maybe just some daily play in the back yard, and you don't even have to do it yourself, you can actually pay to have someone else to do it! As long as it's done, that's the big point. That is a solution that's both complassionate to the dog's innate needs and humane. Win-win for everyone.

That is not going to be the first intervention, however. First is going to be to give the dog medication that alters his brain chemistry. And up for consideration is caging him in a relatively small crate for the ten hours a day that the OP is gone. Still humane and compassionate? Maybe, maybe not, depending on how you look at it. But wait, best idea yet, how about placing a collar that delivers a painful electric shock if he barks? Humane and compassionate? :confused3 No, it's not. Would the latter even cross into the territory of inhumane and cruel? Yes, quite possibly. Why, though, when these collars are perfectly legal and even trainers sometimes recommend solutions like this? Well, let's think about it.

You have a dog who has not been trained and socialized properly. Yes, same owner has another dog who seems to be perfectly fine, but this dog is not, so this dog's needs have seemingly not been met in this situation. And instead of starting with logical, humane solutions such as the giving of time and stimulation, which there is little time for, we go down the continuum to the method that is perhaps easier, but headed down a questionable path. Why do vets and trainers go along with these types of things if there are even questions about their being humane? Well, because vets and trainers know that, should these problems not be solved, the dog will likely end up in a bad situation, as in a shelter, or worse, euthanized if the bad behavior is past a point that anyone can work with it OR something bad happens, like a bite. So they feel that this type of solution is better than none at all. That's why. It doesn't make it the BEST solution, necessarily, just a solution that's legal and acceptable. Vets and trainers can offer other recommendations, but there are no guarantees that anyone will follow them. People aren't always willing or able to put the time in that it takes to have a dog healthy of mind and spirit. And honestly, lots of people don't really care, either.

For the record, as I've said earlier, I do think that the OP is not someone who doesn't care. I do think she's got a very busy life (many of us have been there, for sure) and the dog's special needs here, while not intended to be so, have become overwhelming. But we have to remember dogs are living, breathing, thinking, feeling beings who aren't statues who sit there looking pretty endlessly. They have needs. They just can't express them verbally to us. (Although they will express them non-verbally.) And because they're lower on the food chain, we sometimes think it's ok to overlook their needs. People who really care about their dogs' well-being take steps to have and keep a dog healthy, trained, socialized, and well-behaved. This is what we're seeing here with all the people who may not necessarily want to be out in the cold running with their dog or otherwise helping them get some exercise, but who do anyway. Or go out and kick them a ball, play with them inside, develop tricks and games just to curb some of the boredom, etc.

I've "known" The Mystery Machine here for many years, since her high maintenance dog(s) were young. I am very confident using her as an example of someone who has gone above and beyond in taking her commitment to her dogs very seriously. As she's mentioned here, she's worked tirelessly to curb her dogs' behavior, especially with one, and now that dog is nearing the end of it's natural life and has always enjoyed a great life with her despite her often very difficult life circumstances. (Many moves, family issues, MAJOR health issues, etc.) I'll say it here publicly, TMM, you have my utmost respect. Your dogs can't say it, so I'll say it for them. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE, ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND DEVOTION TO US! :flower3: I do believe there'll be special rewards for you some day. Christine is another with her dogs. Tolzkin. And many others here. Awesome dog owners and great examples. Thank you.
 












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