Negativity on the boards

[BugsDaddy]

you are privileged and fortunate to have a job. Some don't have that and can't provide for their families never mind take them to a Disney park. All I see is whining and taking the opportunity to even be in a position to visit the parks on a regular basis for granted.

oh and whine away about working weekends, poor you, guess what , I worked 60 hour weeks for many years too!! You are not the only one who has to do this!!

So, what would be your solution to this great injustice? Should the whining, privledged, hard working folks subsidize those who cannot afford a trip? Or should we just be quiet and stay off of message boards altogether because even discussion of our apparent over-abundant and frivolous lifestyles is a black mark on society?

 

[BugsDaddy]

I'm saying I am seeing it as going both ways. It sounds corny, but 2 negatives don't make a positive. People are negative on both sides and each thinks they are justified in doing so. I'm including myself in this too. It's how we humans work I suppose.

ETA-I'm sorry this thread seems to be declining. There were some interesting observations.

It does seem to be declining. I think the original point has been made. Probably time for a mod to close this one out.

 

[Bolt4Life17]

You guys haven't seen a negative forum until you visit a specific sports teams forums (not a general sports forum.) I lurk here a lot and I participate in the Chargers.com forums daily, and lurk on a lot of other teams forums. THOSE are negative!

 

[BadPinkTink]

So, what would be your solution to this great injustice? Should the whining, privledged, hard working folks subsidize those who cannot afford a trip? Or should we just be quiet and stay off of message boards altogether because even discussion of our apparent over-abundant and frivolous lifestyles is a black mark on society?

the whining, taking visiting a Disney park for granted folks should step back, and take a minute to look around and see the happy faces on their children, make memories and happy times and just realise how fortunate they are to be regular visitors to an amazing place. So what if something goes wrong, so what if you have to wait in line instead of getting a fast pass, so what if you don't get taht reservation at a restaurant. So what if your favourite ride is closed. You are in a magical place with your family, experiencing something many will never get to experience. The world is far bigger than you

 

[BugsDaddy]

the whining, taking visiting a Disney park for granted folks should step back, and take a minute to look around and see the happy faces on their children, make memories and happy times and just realise how fortunate they are to be regular visitors to an amazing place. So what if something goes wrong, so what if you have to wait in line instead of getting a fast pass, so what if you don't get taht reservation at a restaurant. So what if your favourite ride is closed. You are in a magical place with your family, experiencing something many will never get to experience. The world is far bigger than you

I agree with the sentiment that people should appreciate what they have and should probably complain less about the little things however your viewpoint seems to be that those people should somehow feel guilty that they can afford to experience this while others cannot. I think that is an unfair assumption considering you have absolutely no history or understanding of the people you are referring to as "whiny" and "over privledged ".

 

[Astridia]

I agree with the sentiment that people should appreciate what they have and should probably complain less about the little things however your viewpoint seems to be that those people should somehow feel guilty that they can afford to experience this while others cannot. I think that is an unfair assumption considering you have absolutely no history or understanding of the people you are referring to as "whiny" and "over privledged ".

I would agree that visiting WDW was a privilege if the trip were free. But it's not. I pay a lot and when I feel I paid too much for what I experienced, I am going to "Whine".

 

[larryz]

 

[WillAustin]

So, what would be your solution to this great injustice? Should the whining, privledged, hard working folks subsidize those who cannot afford a trip? Or should we just be quiet and stay off of message boards altogether because even discussion of our apparent over-abundant and frivolous lifestyles is a black mark on society?

I agree with you. Discussions about privilege are generally useless. I do disagree with you on the negativity discussion though.

Live your life, be kind and help others when you can, and enjoy whatever good you can in life. Everyone has problems and judging struggles of others and evaluating whose problems might matter more is a waste of time unless you are walking in their shoes.

 

[DisneyKevin]

I'm not even sure what you're arguing about anymore.

People have opinions. That doesn't make them wrong.

You may not agree. That doesn't make you wrong.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion, go ahead and express yours.

When someone else's opinion makes you ANGRY, it's time to step away.

And my opinion is that going to WDW is not a privilege. It's a luxury.

Many people work hard, long hours and can not afford the luxury of a Disney trip.

If you have found yourself in a place where you can afford the luxury of a Disney trip, then yes...I would consider you fortunate.

Sometimes, no matter how smart you are and how hard you work, life knocks you down. If you haven't been knocked down...i think you are fortunate.

I count myself among the most fortunate and lucky of guys.

Finally, this is supposed to be fun folks and this discussion has turned "not fun".

Edited....you are welcome to disagree with anything I say, because this is all my opinion.

 

[BugsDaddy]

I'm not even sure what you're arguing about anymore.

People have opinions. That doesn't make them wrong.

You may not agree. That doesn't make you wrong.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion, go ahead and express yours.

When someone else's opinion makes you ANGRY, it's time to step away.

And my opinion is that going to WDW is not a privilege. It's a luxury.

Many people work hard, long hours and can not afford the luxury of a Disney trip.

If you have found yourself in a place where you can afford the luxury of a Disney trip, then yes...I would consider you fortunate.

Sometimes, no matter how smart you are and how hard you work, life knocks you down. If you haven't been knocked down...i think you are fortunate.

I count myself among the most fortunate and lucky of guys.

Finally, this is supposed to be fun folks and this discussion has turned "not fun".

Edited....you are welcome to disagree with anything I say, because this is all my opinion.

I don't disagree that people are entitled to their opinions but I also don't like it when people use hateful speech, totally unfounded and untrue, in attempts to try to make a point.

I am all for a good debate but when people start describing things or people as toxic, insestuous and whiny, I think it goes beyond a friendly debate and starts to become personal.

 

[Planogirl]

Luckily we have moderators to make sure that we follow the rules.

Beyond that I'm not going to concern myself with the words I use and I certainly won't get mad because I don't like what others say. Life is too short to get all bent out of shape over some terminology.

 

[larryz]

Life is too short to get all bent out of shape over some terminology.

Just as long as we all watch our phraseology...

 

[larryz]

Live your life, be kind and help others when you can, and enjoy whatever good you can in life. Everyone has problems and judging struggles of others and evaluating whose problems might matter more is a waste of time unless you are walking in their shoes.

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

I actually find the contrast between the Disunplugged WDW podcast and the Disneyland podcast very interesting. Most of what the orlando team has to say about things like Magic Bands, my magi plus andfastaps plus is mostly positive yes they have said they have had problems with it but again it's mostly positive. Well the Disneyland team sometimes take the "this is terrible and running everything it better not come to Disneyland approach". Somer of the arguments they make seem to be based more on things from the first yer of use or just being used to how things were done before.

Things change WDW is trying to change how poel tour the parks. For example you see sometimes people complain that the park is opening earlier then when they made there breakfast reservation. I simply see that as Disney being smart and looking at what dining reservations there are when FP+'s are scheduled and adding more hours as they feel necessary. Yeah you don't get a picture of an empty Main Street but that's not always possible even if you do come in early. I know one time I was on an early Steam Train tour and we were specifically told no pictures on ian street as there was a film crew filming stuff. At the same time there were also people arriving for early breakfast reservations too and they no doubt got told the same thing.

I think sometimes people overhype things for themselves and their family and then they get disappointed when what they want to happen doesn't and they come back and make a post saying everything is terrible because it didn't go there way.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I may disagree with someone 100% and think they're totally offbase and maybe even think they were rude or hyperbolic or any number of things. But what they think of Disney..any part of Disney...is not directed at me personally. I honestly don't understand taking someone's descriptions of a park, or their opinion of their experience, or a company, as a personal attack.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Again, can I be pointed to certain examples of all this "negativity"? I really don't get it - I can see some snarky comments here, and there but overall, as a whole this board is VERY welcoming and positive.

 

[James Thick]

Personally, I enjoy the positive aspects of what Disney World means to me. To me it means family, the facial expressions, the great times, the memories.

The negativity, on some forums more than others I feel can be disturbing. Yes, people have a right to be critical, absolutely. But the continuous monotony of banging the same old drum over and over gets to be rather depressing. Remember, people are whining about a theme park, and theme park you have to pay your hard earned money on to get to go into, there are fences for a reason. Why people cannot fathom the simple thought of going elsewhere with that money instead of WDW if they feel the product is so terribly substandard is beyond me.

Chipped paint? An animatronic not working? A dreaded burnt out bulb? Lies about Bob Iger?

None of it effects us or should effect us in my opinion at WDW.

Personally, Iam too busy having a good time.

Jimmy Thick- I get excited booking the trip, how you can be negative, I dunno...

 

[Astridia]

I choose what threads I'm interested in reading. If someone believes a thread is too negative, Why not move on to something more appealing to you? I love that the boards have so many forums and differing opinions.

Wouldn't it be boring if all of us agreed?

 

[valentinasdad]

Disney may have issues currently but compared to any other amusement or water park its not even close. Ive been to bush gardens ,hershey park,six flags, a bunch of water parks and none of them are at Disneys level not even close. I know someone is going to say universal, i agree they have done a great job building up their property but thats because they are around the corner from the best in the business. Disneys bar is so high that it pretty much made universal have to be as good as it is today. Another feather in walts cap in my opinion

 

[Disney Enabler]

May I simply remind you…

It's a great day to be alive!!!