Need help- Hard drive running out space- Wife not happy!?

My main PC has three hard drives. I use two for storage and I only put the operating sytsem on the first drive. I have had that drive fail before and it is far easier to replace a hard drive and operating system and basic programs and keep data on other drives.

I totally agree with the other poster that the second hard drive is the way to go. You will be spending time and money to copy to the other drive when a second drive would be infinitely easier.
 
Yes.

Ghost takes the registry and puts it on the new drive. It'd do the trick but it brings everything else with it.

Its still 50 dollars even if you dont mind the host of other issues it brings, why dont you want to have two drives?

I guess I worry the small drive, which would continue to host the operating system and all the programs already on there plus any new ones might fill on up sooner than later?

So if I leave all of the programs on the current drive then it should be a pretty easy drag and drop of the folders for our pics and music over to the new secondary drive and off the old drive, to open 8GBs or so on that? Then just continune to deposit new pics/music into the folder on the new drive.
 
scottie- this is why my hubbie and I each have our own computers. LOL.

Before you start transferring files, back up your stuff to archival gold discs. They are not vulnerable to rot like regular discs are. I did not do this once and lost some files because there was a power outage in the middle of everything. Having a disc backup is also good because one bad power surge can take out all your drives, be they internal or external. Discs are also more likely to survive floods, fires, and other things.

Personally I have 4 500 gig drives in my machine. One has the OS and all my software, one has my photos and videos on it, one has my music and miscellaneous files on it, and the last I use to stash a copy of my files until I get around to backing them up. My computer is the music and video server for the house, so I do actually use a lot of all that space.
 
I guess I worry the small drive, which would continue to host the operating system and all the programs already on there plus any new ones might fill on up sooner than later?

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I personally would go with an external drive, it's a lot easier to install and the other advantage is, if you fill it you simply buy another external and connect that, no need to open the case..

as far as the price difference between internal and external, the difference isn't that big anymore especially if y0u buy from tiger direct or a similar online store,

there are 2 other options,,,buy an internal drive and an external enclosure, it's really simple to put the 2 together..

or buy an internal drive and a dock, the dock acts like a giant card reader, you can swap out hard drives very easily..

that is the route i have taken, I now have 5 external drives, I do not keep them connected to the pc when not using them..
 

I guess I worry the small drive, which would continue to host the operating system and all the programs already on there plus any new ones might fill on up sooner than later?

So if I leave all of the programs on the current drive then it should be a pretty easy drag and drop of the folders for our pics and music over to the new secondary drive and off the old drive, to open 8GBs or so on that? Then just continune to deposit new pics/music into the folder on the new drive.

The way you work it is you leave your OS on the original and whatever is on there now program wise. Drag and drop all your media to the new drive. Any new programs are installed on the new drive. The new drive doesn't just have to do pictures, it can do new programs etc.

As for externals not being expensive, you can expect to pay about 100 for 500 gb external, and 109ish for a terabyte (twice as much) for internal. That external will literally be about 30 percent the speed, that will be a noticeable difference in handling images. Its fine if you dont mind waiting for your computer, but its not cost efficient or time efficient. The ten minutes spent (for new users, takes me about 30 seconds) installing and pulling drives will easily be made up in by a drive that can transfer files at speeds relative to today's standards.

Those externals can ONLY be used as back up they are so slow, if you try and run any kind of program off them, they're too slow. And yes, there are cheaper externals out there, but as I mentioned before you get what you pay for. They'll be doorstops in 3 years. Most externals are pretty up front about the fact that they are back up devices and that accessing them regularly is not their intention.
 
The way you work it is you leave your OS on the original and whatever is on there now program wise. Drag and drop all your media to the new drive. Any new programs are installed on the new drive. The new drive doesn't just have to do pictures, it can do new programs etc.

As for externals not being expensive, you can expect to pay about 100 for 500 gb external, and 109ish for a terabyte (twice as much) for internal. That external will literally be about 30 percent the speed, that will be a noticeable difference in handling images. Its fine if you dont mind waiting for your computer, but its not cost efficient or time efficient. The ten minutes spent (for new users, takes me about 30 seconds) installing and pulling drives will easily be made up in by a drive that can transfer files at speeds relative to today's standards.

Those externals can ONLY be used as back up they are so slow, if you try and run any kind of program off them, they're too slow. And yes, there are cheaper externals out there, but as I mentioned before you get what you pay for. They'll be doorstops in 3 years. Most externals are pretty up front about the fact that they are back up devices and that accessing them regularly is not their intention.


I respectfully disagree on your speed info, with usb2 I've noticed no difference in speed between my internal or external drives....

and as far as price diffference I'm not sure where you shop but I've seen plenty of 1TB externals for under 120..Seagate and WD..

tiger direct currently has 1tb drives by wd for 119, and seagate for 129.

or a 1.5 TB internal for 129 and an enclosure for 20-30

and as I mentioned in a prior post an internal drive installed in an external enclosure or in a dock is very cost effective, takes less time to install and doesn't have to deal with the heat of an internal drive...

another issue I think should be mentioned is IDE hard drives are getting harder and harder to find, and if the OP gets a new pc in the future it won't be a simple switch for the drive to the new pc, since the new one will most likely be SATA, whereas going with an external drive the switch will be simple...
 
40GB in today's computers is tiny. My older computer has a 40GB HD and I filled that pretty quick. I ended up going with a 200GB external HD. I've had it now for about 3 years. It is now my 3rd backup.

My current computer has 2 350GB internal HD's and I also have a 500GB external HD that I have on all the time. When I download pics from my memory card they get put on both the 500GB external HD and one of the internal HD's at the same time.

In the past I've tried 3 different times to put a 2nd internal HD in my older computer and each time it failed within 6 months. 1 I even had installed by the place I bought that PC from. 2 of them ended up with bad sectors and the 3rd just failed. I've had no issues with any of the 3 external HD's thus far. 1 I've had for at least 2 1/2 years, the other 2 I've had for about a year and half.

Personally, I've gotten to the point where I don't want to open up my computer anymore to add stuff. Thus external HD's are perfect (for me). I'm unsure what I'm going to do when the Blu-Ray drives come down and price and I have to add one of those.

So all that being said, I say go for the external HD's OR, buy a new computer. If you've only got a 40GB HD, then its probably at least a few years old and the processor is probably on the slow side and your RAM is probably pretty low. We bought a laptop for DW last month that is at least 5 times as fast as my computer with the 40GB HD and it cost less than 1/2 of what I paid for it 4 or 5 years ago. And the laptop has a 250GB internal HD and 3MB RAM and a 2.2 GHZ processor.

Just my $0.02.
 
I respectfully disagree on your speed info, with usb2 I've noticed no difference in speed between my internal or external drives....

and as far as price diffference I'm not sure where you shop but I've seen plenty of 1TB externals for under 120..Seagate and WD..

tiger direct currently has 1tb drives by wd for 119, and seagate for 129.

or a 1.5 TB internal for 129 and an enclosure for 20-30

My main issue is speed and usability and I dont think you disagreed with me on those points. The 119 TB from Newegg recieved bad reviews based on speed. Its like running your computer off a big thumb drive. Its fine for back up but you cant install programs and run them on it, its too slow. USB 2.0 is still slow. Its just a fact, its slower than IDE, and on top of that USB 2.0 uses a ton of processor power, particularly on older computers.

You can disagree and say they work for you as back up devices, but their speed and uses are set in stone, its just a fact. Those cheap drives always use FAT32, which, well, ya. They're fine for media, thats it. You can cheap internal drives too, and they're garbage just like the 100 TB externals, but they're still a lot better.

Without looking up that Dell, im going to hazard a guess it uses usb 1.0. If thats the case, his external HD will run slower than my internet does by 50%. USB 1.0 maxes at "There are USB hard drives available, but these have a maximum throughput of no more than 2 MB/second, which is slower than today's CD-ROM drives—and for a hard drive, that's slow!" when tested on a usb 1.0 machine.

Im not saying externals are bad in every situation, but they have limitations. Opinions about them working for x are more useful if you get the specs and know the differences. They work for you, and they might work for OP, but simply insisting they are fast when they aren't, and are equal quality, when they are not, isn't really helpful. You've noticed no difference in speed but even with usb 2.0. USB 2.0 is complicated but its about 66% slower than IDE and worse if your mouse or keyboard or printer is using USB. Its even worse when compared against a SATA drive. Again, really im not saying your opinions are invalid, but its just not the case that they are equal in speed, the 66% cut in speed doesnt even address the proccessing power you're losing. You might just not pay as close attention. Personally, I can usually tell the differnece between a 5400 rpm drive and 7200 rpm drive just by browsing files. Its probably the differences in exposure to computers.
 
Without looking up that Dell, im going to hazard a guess it uses usb 1.0.

Yes, the computer came with 1.0 installed and I have added a card with two 2.0 USB Ports and one Firewire port.
 
My main issue is speed and usability and I dont think you disagreed with me on those points. The 119 TB from Newegg recieved bad reviews based on speed. Its like running your computer off a big thumb drive. Its fine for back up but you cant install programs and run them on it, its too slow. USB 2.0 is still slow. Its just a fact, its slower than IDE, and on top of that USB 2.0 uses a ton of processor power, particularly on older computers.

You can disagree and say they work for you as back up devices, but their speed and uses are set in stone, its just a fact. Those cheap drives always use FAT32, which, well, ya. They're fine for media, thats it. You can cheap internal drives too, and they're garbage just like the 100 TB externals, but they're still a lot better.

Without looking up that Dell, im going to hazard a guess it uses usb 1.0.

if you're going to tell me I'm wrong at least please read what I wrote, I never mentioned newegg so I don't know what drive you are talking about.. I mentioned WD and seagate,,from tiger direct..are you saying those drives are junk

if the speed is set in stone, and fact, give me numbers...

I work on photos, hours each day, I can click on a photo on my hard drive and one on one of my externals, and the difference in speed is not noticeable..

I will agree that the usb on the dell is probably 1, but for 20 bucks and no more work than installing a hard drive the OP could upgrade to USB 2, never mind I see he already did the upgrade..

am I also wrong that ide is harder to find than SATA and will not be an easy swap over to a new pc if the OP ends up getting one in the future..??

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if you're going to tell me I'm wrong at least please read what I wrote, I never mentioned newegg so I don't know what drive you are talking about.. I mentioned WD and seagate,,from tiger direct..are you saying those drives are junk

if the speed is set in stone, and fact, give me numbers...

I work on photos, hours each day, I can click on a photo on my hard drive and one on one of my externals, and the difference in speed is not noticeable..

I will agree that the usb on the dell is probably 1, but for 20 bucks and no more work than installing a hard drive the OP could upgrade to USB 2, never mind I see he already did the upgrade..

am I also wrong that ide is harder to find than SATA and will not be an easy swap over to a new pc if the OP ends up getting one in the future..??

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You can put ide's in sata computers. Its not difficult. Im not trying to call you out, but the numbers are set in stone. This is literally my life and has been for 10 + years. Im not trying to be mean but saying you dont notice the difference when using it to access photos doesnt mean there isnt a noticeable difference. If you want to look them up they're available. USB is rated at 2.0 megs / sec, usb 2.0 is rated at a massive 480, but actually runs at 25 percent of that speed due to the daisy chain nature of the system if nothing else is on the usb chain. and it does take cycles fro your proccessor, the older your machine the more noticeable, if you're using a quad core it wont be noticeable at all though.

The one on tiger is the same as the one on newegg. You dont get the same hard drive at 120 you get at 200. Its just how it is, there are 100s of reviews.

IDE drives are still widely available. I wont debate it any more since you obviously are set on your own observations. But, it comes down to this, your'e basicaly saying a 3.0 ghz processor is faster than a 2.5 ghz duo core one, or close, its not true. An amateur photographer might not see the difference between a high end point and shoot and an entry lvl Dslr, but to insist they are the same, or even close in quality to a more experienced one is how i'd compare this.

Having said all that, the external drive may still be the way to go, it just depends what you want.
 
You can put ide's in sata computers. Its not difficult. Im not trying to call you out, but the numbers are set in stone. This is literally my life and has been for 10 + years. Im not trying to be mean but saying you dont notice the difference when using it to access photos doesnt mean there isnt a noticeable difference. If you want to look them up they're available. USB is rated at 2.0 megs / sec, usb 2.0 is rated at a massive 480, but actually runs at 25 percent of that speed due to the daisy chain nature of the system if nothing else is on the usb chain. and it does take cycles fro your proccessor, the older your machine the more noticeable, if you're using a quad core it wont be noticeable at all though.

The one on tiger is the same as the one on newegg. You dont get the same hard drive at 120 you get at 200. Its just how it is, there are 100s of reviews.

IDE drives are still widely available. I wont debate it any more since you obviously are set on your own observations. But, it comes down to this, your'e basicaly saying a 3.0 ghz processor is faster than a 2.5 ghz duo core one, or close, its not true. An amateur photographer might not see the difference between a high end point and shoot and an entry lvl Dslr, but to insist they are the same, or even close in quality to a more experienced one is how i'd compare this.

Having said all that, the external drive may still be the way to go, it just depends what you want.



I never said ide couldn't be put in sata, just that it's not as easy I suppose I could look up the numbers, but if you are going to state they are set in stone then you should back it up with fact, otherwise it's just your opinion, just as mine..


OH, so now it also matters what machine.. well I'm running a quad core, so I guess that's why I see no difference..

as for the drives,,is seagate baracuda a junk drive or one of their top of the line as I have read elsewhere..
 
I guess a question that sticks in my mind, if I want to just go to one drive only, is there a program that would let me transfer everything (programs, files, etc), including the Windows XP I am using, over to that new drive? Then I could flip settings on the drives to show it as the master drive and then remove the old drive?


Western Digital's drives come with a software package that will copy over the entire contents of a old drive to the new one. You can use this to set the new drive up exactly like the old one and I believe most of the other companies include something as well.

I have used in the past and it does the trick. However a new install of your OS is the way to go, but at a minimum you can do what you requested.

I agree with the posts about a second harddrive used for storage. Just let your existing drive run the OS and other programs, but keep your files on the new drive. A usb drive is a great back up plan as I have mine set to copy my files weekly, but I do not have any programs on that drive. When I run speed tests against it, it is much much slower than my IDE drives.
 
I never said ide couldn't be put in sata, just that it's not as easy I suppose I could look up the numbers, but if you are going to state they are set in stone then you should back it up with fact, otherwise it's just your opinion, just as mine..


OH, so now it also matters what machine.. well I'm running a quad core, so I guess that's why I see no difference..

as for the drives,,is seagate baracuda a junk drive or one of their top of the line as I have read elsewhere..

Im not sure what's up with your tone. Because I have knowledge about facts on computers doesn't make it my opinion, this isn't an academic paper, im not going to cite things for those too lazy to look it up themselves. I was just putting up the facts previously, but Im going to point out a few really obvious things.

It doesnt "now matter" what machine you have, it always did with externals only because they use processor power instead of an IDE or RAID controller. The fact that you dont know this and instead infer im somehow changing the rules is ridiculous. You obviously have very casual information about computers and aren't in any position to give advice.

Seagate barracuda is a brand name, some of their drives are garbage, some are awesome.

As for proof of specs, look it up, its on the box of the hard drives, im not going to go around and find links of what is common knowledge. Type in google, what is faster, external 2.0 usb drives or IDE drives. Again, i have no reason why you're calling me a liar about this, its common knowledge. For yet another metaphor, imagine if a camera is 5.0 megapixel, and one is 12.2 megapixel, which is higher resolution? If you're talkign to someone who knows computers thats the same as askign about usb vs IDE. Do you need proof the sky is blue too?

I dont know why you're insisting on battling this so hard. I said to start with externals are good for some people, but they have a lot of drawbacks. You're pushing them as if they are equal. Fact is, they are better for some people, but to get equal quality you always spend more and end up with a slower drive. All I did was elaborate why, and you somehow see this as fabrication.

I really have absolutely no idea why you are insisting on your point of view, you haven't even bothered to look up the differences yourself obviously and aren't able to tell models apart from brands. Your question about seagate is like asking if the Canon I bought is good. Which canon, compared to what? I didn't want to get in an argument with you, I stated facts and you keep coming back at me like im attacking YOU and YOUR beliefs with falsities. You do not know computers.

You are happy with the set up you have, which is fine. I can gurantee you that hard drive you bought, for the same money you could have bought internals that are bigger and of higher quality and could run programs. If you dont want that and prefer portability its a better fit for you. That's awesome, but blindly saying its ideal for all is not the truth, and instead presenting people with facts so they can assess what they want is a better way to go about it.

Your quad core splits its cores between different things. One alone can run windows, one can do your xfers off that drive, and the other can do the photo program easily. The OP does not have a quad core, he will notice significant delays if he's trying to multitask, it wont do it, the processor will split what its doing and slow down everything, making an already slow drive slower. Your lack of computer knowledge just allowed you to look right past this without even thinking twice.

You did a nice job about the bonuses of external drives, and i explained their drawbacks in a post, and since then you've just say im wrong or somehow lieing, hopefully this spells it all out very clearly.
 
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Im not sure what's up with your tone. Because I have knowledge about facts on computers doesn't make it my opinion, this isn't an academic paper, im not going to cite things for those too lazy to look it up themselves. I was just putting up the facts previously, but Im going to point out a few really obvious things.
I'm not LAZY, but if you are going to claim you are right and I am wrong, back it up with facts...
It doesnt "now matter" what machine you have, it always did with externals only because they use processor power instead of an IDE or RAID controller. The fact that you dont know this and instead infer im somehow changing the rules is ridiculous. You obviously have very casual information about computers and aren't in any position to give advice. the reason I said it now matters is because earlier you said there is always a difference between internal and external, when questioned you mentioned the quadcore and that a difference. wouldn't be noticeable.

Seagate barracuda is a brand name, some of their drives are garbage, some are awesome.
Seagate is the brand name, Barracuda according to everything I've read on the net, is one of their best models..., so you are telling me the company is seagate barracuda..??
As for proof of specs, look it up, its on the box of the hard drives, im not going to go around and find links of what is common knowledge. Type in google, what is faster, external 2.0 usb drives or IDE drives. Again, i have no reason why you're calling me a liar about this, its common knowledge.I never called you a liar, I questioned your info and asked for verification of what you called set in stone.. For yet another metaphor, imagine if a camera is 5.0 megapixel, and one is 12.2 megapixel, which is higher resolution? so what is the difference in resolution between 5 and 12.2 If you're talkign to someone who knows computers thats the same as askign about usb vs IDE. Do you need proof the sky is blue too?

I dont know why you're insisting on battling this so hard. I said to start with externals are good for some people, but they have a lot of drawbacks. You're pushing them as if they are equal. Fact is, they are better for some people, but to get equal quality you always spend more and end up with a slower drive. All I did was elaborate why, and you somehow see this as fabrication.

I really have absolutely no idea why you are insisting on your point of view, you haven't even bothered to look up the differences yourself obviously and aren't able to tell models apart from brands. Seagate is the brand name, Barracuda according to everything I've read on the net, is one of their best models..., so you are telling me the company is seagate barracuda..??
Your question about seagate is like asking if the Canon I bought is good. Which canon, compared to what? I didn't want to get in an argument with you, I stated facts and you keep coming back at me like im attacking YOU and YOUR beliefs with falsities. You do not know computers. and you base that on what, your 10 years.. ???

You are happy with the set up you have, which is fine. I can gurantee you that hard drive you bought, for the same money you could have bought internals that are bigger and of higher quality and could run programs. If you dont want that and prefer portability its a better fit for you. That's awesome, but blindly saying its ideal for all is not the truth, and instead presenting people with facts so they can assess what they want is a better way to go about it.

Your quad core splits its cores between different things. One alone can run windows, one can do your xfers off that drive, and the other can do the photo program easily. The OP does not have a quad core, he will notice significant delays if he's trying to multitask, it wont do it, the processor will split what its doing and slow down everything, making an already slow drive slower. Your lack of computer knowledge just allowed you to look right past this without even thinking twice.

You did a nice job about the bonuses of external drives, and i explained their drawbacks in a post, and since then you've just say im wrong or somehow lieing, hopefully this spells it all out very clearly.

just for the record. it's not my tone... you were the one who started off with this line"just going to weigh in here, I have considerable training and experience in the area.


and your replies to me have been condescending since the beginning, I never called you a liar, nor said you knew nothing about computers..etc....you on the other hand have repeatedly said I don't know what I'm talking about, .. I was simply looking for numbers or facts to back up your statements...
 












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