Nasty neighbor, venting to try and control my temper

Tiggeroo

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I'm venting here. I want to act like a calm, rational adult at home. I have 2 corgis and live in a condo. That means I have to walk my dogs for bathroom trips. I am very courteous. I would never want a neighbor to hate me walking my dogs. I always stay off of lawns and even sidewalk strips if they are planting flowers, etc. I always have poop bags and clean up. The first step of the walk is to a tree stump or some other dumpy spot so they can pee where it won't hurt anything. I generally have a route we walk that goes past few houses, along a lumber yard and empty properties. However, I live in a shore town that gets very busy in the summer. I also work to not take my dogs through big crowds with kids, strollers and bikes so sometimes my route gets changed. There is a large old house that needs tons of work and a family who comes down in the summer and is, I guess trying to work on it. This family, honestly looks like a cult. Their sons, who are around 12 have identical long, pale blonde page boy hair cuts and wear matching knee length culottes and polo shirts. The mom always wears the same, low cut jumper. They make the kids work hauling rocks and dirt for hours. Once past midnight. But, although it seemed odd, I was trying not to judge. Once a year ago he made a nasty comment to me when I walked past and threatened my dogs. I try to avoid his property.
Yesterday I had to walk past. My dog pooped on the scrubby weed and dirt area next to the street. This is public land. I picked it up promptly and started to walk. He came up to me and said he wouldn't let dogs walk there. He puts tons of chemicals on there to kill weeds. (there are tons of weeds there so I guess not working) Something smelled really bad and I told him that and said I try to avoid treated areas, he should label it. He then said he is pouring gasoline all over it. He said he wants to kill dogs. I told him it is a very busy area and gasoline is a hazard. He then began screaming at me to get off his land. I told him it is public land. He started calling me names and cursing. My husband walked up to him and suggested he not talk to his wife that way, calmly. The man immediately got into my husband's face. My husband walked back to our house, a few doors down and called the police. The man and his wife cursed and threatened me and my dogs repeatedly in a fairly crazy way. I feel bad because I got baited into it a bit and responded. Not to their level but still, it was stupid. The police came and took my statement. They went to talk to the man and explain that it is public land and he was fairly crazy with them as well. Ranted and yelled. Claimed we harass him. I don't even know him. The police told me I could file a complaint but then we would both have to go before a judge and I don't really have any proof of what happened. I was shaking and in tears at this point. They then told me I should just avoid his house. Really! I sometimes walk past there. I go to the drug store right across the street from it several times a week. I usually bring my dogs as I can walk them at the same time. Now, because he yelled and acted crazy I have to cross the street.
He lives on a very busy corner. The police told him lots of people are going to be walking their dogs there all summer. He told them it is only me and I walk my dogs onto his porch to let them pee. Wow. I do actually have some concern that he will put poison down to make dogs ill or kill them. He certainly seems like he would do that. Any thoughts. Maybe talk me of the ledge because there is a part of me that wants to walk there twice a day and hope my dogs poop.
 
Wow. That's a stressful situation. I think the best thing to do is avoid him. I'm sure you won't be the only one being screamed at and threatened this summer. Hopefully someone else will call the cops if that happens.
 
I would cross the street. No way, I would subject myself to their crazy behavior.
 
I live here so I have a vested interest in keeping peace. I also grew up in Philly and know what many Philly people are like. If he tries that with one of them most of them will punch him, esp. if they call their wife the names he called me. Some of the women would deck him too.
 

This man sounds crazy and irrational. I can understand you wanting to walk your dogs at that corner just to prove a point.

However, if he is really not right, I am not sure I would want to risk any kind of confrontation with him. I agree, I would try to avoid him and if there is another incident, call the police. Something tells me he is going to have numerous encounters this summer, not just with you.
 
I'm venting here. I want to act like a calm, rational adult at home. I have 2 corgis and live in a condo. That means I have to walk my dogs for bathroom trips. I am very courteous. I would never want a neighbor to hate me walking my dogs. I always stay off of lawns and even sidewalk strips if they are planting flowers, etc. I always have poop bags and clean up. The first step of the walk is to a tree stump or some other dumpy spot so they can pee where it won't hurt anything. I generally have a route we walk that goes past few houses, along a lumber yard and empty properties. However, I live in a shore town that gets very busy in the summer. I also work to not take my dogs through big crowds with kids, strollers and bikes so sometimes my route gets changed. There is a large old house that needs tons of work and a family who comes down in the summer and is, I guess trying to work on it. This family, honestly looks like a cult. Their sons, who are around 12 have identical long, pale blonde page boy hair cuts and wear matching knee length culottes and polo shirts. The mom always wears the same, low cut jumper. They make the kids work hauling rocks and dirt for hours. Once past midnight. But, although it seemed odd, I was trying not to judge. Once a year ago he made a nasty comment to me when I walked past and threatened my dogs. I try to avoid his property.
Yesterday I had to walk past. My dog pooped on the scrubby weed and dirt area next to the street. This is public land. I picked it up promptly and started to walk. He came up to me and said he wouldn't let dogs walk there. He puts tons of chemicals on there to kill weeds. (there are tons of weeds there so I guess not working) Something smelled really bad and I told him that and said I try to avoid treated areas, he should label it. He then said he is pouring gasoline all over it. He said he wants to kill dogs. I told him it is a very busy area and gasoline is a hazard. He then began screaming at me to get off his land. I told him it is public land. He started calling me names and cursing. My husband walked up to him and suggested he not talk to his wife that way, calmly. The man immediately got into my husband's face. My husband walked back to our house, a few doors down and called the police. The man and his wife cursed and threatened me and my dogs repeatedly in a fairly crazy way. I feel bad because I got baited into it a bit and responded. Not to their level but still, it was stupid. The police came and took my statement. They went to talk to the man and explain that it is public land and he was fairly crazy with them as well. Ranted and yelled. Claimed we harass him. I don't even know him. The police told me I could file a complaint but then we would both have to go before a judge and I don't really have any proof of what happened. I was shaking and in tears at this point. They then told me I should just avoid his house. Really! I sometimes walk past there. I go to the drug store right across the street from it several times a week. I usually bring my dogs as I can walk them at the same time. Now, because he yelled and acted crazy I have to cross the street.
He lives on a very busy corner. The police told him lots of people are going to be walking their dogs there all summer. He told them it is only me and I walk my dogs onto his porch to let them pee. Wow. I do actually have some concern that he will put poison down to make dogs ill or kill them. He certainly seems like he would do that. Any thoughts. Maybe talk me of the ledge because there is a part of me that wants to walk there twice a day and hope my dogs poop.

It sounds like they are only around during the summer? So hopefully once the summer is over, it won't be an issue again for a while.

I would just walk my dogs in another direction if possible, and if not, I'd walk on the other side of the street to get past there. If there are further problems, I'd call the police again so it is documented, and I'd probably just kepe some notes at home in case anything ever comes up. But mostly yeah, just avoid, avoid, avoid. No sense provoking.
 
Were the police made aware of the use of hazardous substances, not only in an improper manner, but in a manner specifically intended to poison? I would make sure the necessary local officials are notified immediately.
I told them and they said I would have to file a complaint and go to court. I am going to stop by zoning and talk to them.
 
I told them and they said I would have to file a complaint and go to court. I am going to stop by zoning and talk to them.

That doesn't sound correct at all. Zoning wouldn't be the ones to handle it here, but IMO once any municipal authority becomes aware of illegal application of toxic/hazardous substances it should be directed to the proper office from there and the onus will be on the authorities to handle the situation, not another resident.
 
I'd guess pouring gasoline onto the ground (which is going to get to the water table) would be illegal. Not sure it is really true but if so...
 
Don't know what he is doing there but I also put a call in to the humane society. I might call the epa as well.
 
He sounds like a nut. Avoid.

You and/or your dogs could be right and harmed all at the same time.

Little doubt he will be arguing with people all summer long.

It does make for a stressful situation, though.
 
I'm venting here. I want to act like a calm, rational adult at home. I have 2 corgis and live in a condo. That means I have to walk my dogs for bathroom trips. I am very courteous. I would never want a neighbor to hate me walking my dogs. I always stay off of lawns and even sidewalk strips if they are planting flowers, etc. I always have poop bags and clean up. The first step of the walk is to a tree stump or some other dumpy spot so they can pee where it won't hurt anything. I generally have a route we walk that goes past few houses, along a lumber yard and empty properties. However, I live in a shore town that gets very busy in the summer. I also work to not take my dogs through big crowds with kids, strollers and bikes so sometimes my route gets changed. There is a large old house that needs tons of work and a family who comes down in the summer and is, I guess trying to work on it. This family, honestly looks like a cult. Their sons, who are around 12 have identical long, pale blonde page boy hair cuts and wear matching knee length culottes and polo shirts. The mom always wears the same, low cut jumper. They make the kids work hauling rocks and dirt for hours. Once past midnight. But, although it seemed odd, I was trying not to judge. Once a year ago he made a nasty comment to me when I walked past and threatened my dogs. I try to avoid his property.
Yesterday I had to walk past. My dog pooped on the scrubby weed and dirt area next to the street. This is public land. I picked it up promptly and started to walk. He came up to me and said he wouldn't let dogs walk there. He puts tons of chemicals on there to kill weeds. (there are tons of weeds there so I guess not working) Something smelled really bad and I told him that and said I try to avoid treated areas, he should label it. He then said he is pouring gasoline all over it. He said he wants to kill dogs. I told him it is a very busy area and gasoline is a hazard. He then began screaming at me to get off his land. I told him it is public land. He started calling me names and cursing. My husband walked up to him and suggested he not talk to his wife that way, calmly. The man immediately got into my husband's face. My husband walked back to our house, a few doors down and called the police. The man and his wife cursed and threatened me and my dogs repeatedly in a fairly crazy way. I feel bad because I got baited into it a bit and responded. Not to their level but still, it was stupid. The police came and took my statement. They went to talk to the man and explain that it is public land and he was fairly crazy with them as well. Ranted and yelled. Claimed we harass him. I don't even know him. The police told me I could file a complaint but then we would both have to go before a judge and I don't really have any proof of what happened. I was shaking and in tears at this point. They then told me I should just avoid his house. Really! I sometimes walk past there. I go to the drug store right across the street from it several times a week. I usually bring my dogs as I can walk them at the same time. Now, because he yelled and acted crazy I have to cross the street.
He lives on a very busy corner. The police told him lots of people are going to be walking their dogs there all summer. He told them it is only me and I walk my dogs onto his porch to let them pee. Wow. I do actually have some concern that he will put poison down to make dogs ill or kill them. He certainly seems like he would do that. Any thoughts. Maybe talk me of the ledge because there is a part of me that wants to walk there twice a day and hope my dogs poop.
You have some culpability in this too. You reacted, argued, and escalated the situation. Then your husband got involved and further escalated the situation.

If he told me the first time that he had put chemicals on the scrubby yard and to not have my dog on it, I would have said thank you for letting me know and just walked away. Instead, you chose to antagonize him by scolding him that it smelled and that he should not put stuff on there. Then everytime he got hotter, you chose to fuel the fire with arguing with him. You had plenty of opportunities to just walk away, but you chose to engage and escalate.

Since he has proven he has a hot temper, in the future, I would not make eye contact, would not respond and just walk away if he tries to engage. And I would definitely follow the police's suggestion and cross the street.
 
Are u at the jersey shore? A lot of people won't put up with that guy like you said..

I can't imagine that guy not lashing out at others. I know it stinks that he is the problem and you have to change your way of doing things..but I also would avoid him
 
I would assume there's is something actually mentally wrong with him, as opposed to whatever:



means.
What the Philly reference means is that most of the people who are here on vacation are from Philly. Quite a few of them are not the best behaved folks when confronted. I know it sounds like I'm generalizing and I guess I am. Just that city people who live in close contact to others are more likely to defend themselves and become confrontational as opposed to ignoring something and moving on. When you live close to people I think you just have to learn to stand up for yourself more. That is putting it as nicely as I can. I am saying that somebody who wears their hat backwards and has daggers tattooed on their neck and walks large pitbulls might respond differently then a suburban mom walking a couple little fluffy corgis.
 
What the Philly reference means is that most of the people who are here on vacation are from Philly. Quite a few of them are not the best behaved folks when confronted. I know it sounds like I'm generalizing and I guess I am. Just that city people who live in close contact to others are more likely to defend themselves and become confrontational as opposed to ignoring something and moving on. When you live close to people I think you just have to learn to stand up for yourself more. That is putting it as nicely as I can. I am saying that somebody who wears their hat backwards and has daggers tattooed on their neck and walks large pitbulls might respond differently then a suburban mom walking a couple little fluffy corgis.

May I suggest that you refrain from categorizing folks. The family in your OP appear to be "cult like." People from Philly are ill-behaved when confronted. Perhaps you are not as easy going as you believe you are.

I would walk anywhere other than near the property in question. Not worth stressing over or getting into legal trouble over.
 














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