My FP+ success story ..

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Some people sem to be forgetting that posts like this are not so much a proclamation of victory as they are a response to the constant drumbeat that you can't get FPs for anything good except at midnight 60 days out.

Would I ordinarily be jumping up and down offer 10 FP+ in 2 days for an "impossible to get attraction unless I had a 60 day window and hovered at midnight"? No--absolutely not.

But notice that it didn't take long for the "we can't let a positive occurrence to buy without peeing in the Cheerios".

There is a Pavlovian response. The irony is that it is by the naysayers.

 

[mom2rtk]

Gotta hand it to universal. They are so awesome, that the only way to convince others how awesome they are, folks have to post on a positive thread about a product offered by another company and condemn it at every turn.

It is indeed comical.

What does that have to do with me? I haven't been to US since 2004.

 

[Laketravis]

Cannons to the left.... cannons to the right......yet the soldiers don't even understand my statement was a compliment to Disney.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

you are exactly right. I don't disagree that fp+ may not work for everyone but some of the posters that do not like it have gone way beyond just stating their opinion into intentionally misleading people (mostly newbies) who may have legitimate questions. personally, i think these people need to start being publicly called out.

exactly!

 

[DisneyKidds]

If you are okay with three attractions per day and having to wait in long lines for everything else, then you'll probably see value in it.

Lake, Lake, Lake........it's unnecessary rhetoric and hyperbole like this that gets in the way of productive, reasonable discussion based on fact and merit.

I give you credit for being a savvy enough WDW visitor to know that this isn't what WDW has become under FP+. Don't let the fact that you and your son now have a strong preference for Universal allow you to throw logic, reason and fact out the window and make statements and arguments that have no merit. I expect better of you, man!

We just visited during the busiest week of the year (just after Christmas to just after New Years), we did plenty more than 3 attractions a day, and the longest line we waited in was 15 minutes.

I don't mind talking about some of the admitted warts that FP+ has, but we can do better than that inaccurate quote, no?

 

[mom2rtk]

More nuts than publicly bashing a system one has never tried before?

So you think I'll come back with glowing reviews after I try it? We've discussed this before. I have a very specific touring style that most would agree does not mesh with FP+.

 

[wisblue]

Cannons to the left.... cannons to the right......yet the soldiers don't even understand my statement was a compliment to Disney.

Your sarcasm isn't fooling anybody.

 

[SmithSmith]

Cannons to the left.... cannons to the right......yet the soldiers don't even understand my statement was a compliment to Disney.

All while insulting us by equating us to trained dogs...

Yeah... that's not rational, logical discussion... But yet, that's mostly what we get from you.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Gotta hand it to Disney - they've pulled off an almost Pavlovian feat; causing some to feel simply victorious because they were able to reserve a trivial treat in advance and then boast of how their articulations only took X amount of time and resulted in success. McDonald's must surely be watching this entire experiment with keen interest, in hopes of rolling out a mobile app.....

Gotta agree Lake, this kind of 'input' was completely unnecessary and unproductive. So much for having reasonable discussion, huh?

 

[Hokie2000]

Gotta hand it to Disney - they've pulled off an almost Pavlovian feat; causing some to feel simply victorious because they were able to reserve a trivial treat in advance and then boast of how their articulations only took X amount of time and resulted in success.

McDonald's must surely be watching this entire experiment with keen interest, in hopes of rolling out a mobile app so that customers can place an order of fries weeks in advance, arrive at the drive-thru during the proper time window to pick them up, and thus enjoy the manufactured satisfaction of the process as much as the actual end result.

That is one smart Mouse.

As per usual, your post seems to have one purpose - to insult and demean. And as per usual, the post is unsuccessful at fulfilling its intended purpose.

Likening posters to Pavlov's dog and comparing WDW attractions to an order of fries at McDonald's doesn't border on ridiculous, it's smack dab in the middle of the capital of ridiculous. Going to these lengths to try to convince people that they're stupid for liking something that you feel is beneath you doesn't make them look bad. It's more a reflection on you than anyone else.

 

[SmithSmith]

So you think I'll come back with glowing reviews after I try it? We've discussed this before. I have a very specific touring style that most would agree does not mesh with FP+.

Perhaps. There have been many self-proclaimed FP+ haters that actually found they LIKED the system after they tried it for THEMSELVES.

I've also discussed this before. It's one thing to know you won't like something. It's completely different to offer up OPINIONS at EVERY TURN on something you have NO EXPERIENCE with.

 

[Laketravis]

Don't let the fact that you and your son now have a strong preference for Universal allow you to throw logic, reason and fact out the window and make statements and arguments that have no merit. I expect better of you, man!

I don't have a preference for Universal, he does. And I specifically expressed my disappointment with that.

We just visited during the busiest week of the year (just after Christmas to just after New Years), we did plenty more than 3 attractions a day, and the longest line we waited in was 15 minutes.

That's great, but I really don't think it's typical. Peruse the wait tables that Josh has posted along with some of his comments in regards to what he refers to as the "Post FP+ era".

I think it's comical that when someone is critical of something at WDW, offers their experience with another system and explains how maybe some elements of it would help to improve the system(s) at WDW, they are attacked and demeaned by those who claim the opinions and experience are irrelevant and proceed to offer their own opinions and experiences as some sort of evidence.

A previous poster mentioned a program by Fred Lee ("If Disney ran your hospital"). I would encourage you to also investigate the backgrounds of Harris Rosen and Jake Poore, two more ex-Disney employees who's success were born in part from weaknesses at Disney.

My compliment to Disney about what they've been able to accomplish in terms of manufacturing and aligning customer expectations may have sailed over the heads of some, yet people pay to hear how Disney does that when these speakers present the very same topics.

 

[SmithSmith]

As per usual, your post seems to have one purpose - to insult and demean. And as per usual, the post is unsuccessful at fulfilling its intended purpose.

Likening posters to Pavlov's dog and comparing WDW attractions to an order of fries at McDonald's doesn't border on ridiculous, it's smack dab in the middle of the capital of ridiculous. Going to these lengths to try to convince people that they're stupid for liking something that you feel is beneath you doesn't make them look bad. It's more a reflection on you than anyone else.

Well said.

What's that saying? What Mary says about Nancy, says more about Mary than it does Nancy.

 

[BarbieGal457]

We booked out FPs for New Year's Eve (so last Wednesday) at 9 days out because we were doing this very spur of the moment. We got Splash, BTMRR, and 7DMT all on the very first try. Once in the park that day, after we used them all (and they were all for early, great times), we got FP for HM and the new (to us) Little Mermaid ride, simply because we could and we had no idea what else we wanted to FP. It was absolutely fantastic and I know we can't wait to use it again on our trip this summer.

This was our first time using it, and I loved it, but I also went in to it with an open mind from the start. We were never "super users" or whatever people call them, so all in all we think FP is a great new technology for our touring style.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Cannons to the left.... cannons to the right......yet the soldiers don't even understand my statement was a compliment to Disney.

Do you often compliment companies with insults to the clients who may like their products?



The charade is up.

 

[Laketravis]

Oh please....spare me the indignation. Referring to what Disney has accomplished as "an almost Pavlovian feat" is not a classification of anyone as "dogs".

It's a process, not an adjective used to describe the participants as animals.

"Classical conditioning (also Pavlovian or respondent conditioning) is a process of behavior modification in which an innate response to a potent biological stimulus become expressed in response to a previously neutral stimulus; this is achieved by repeated pairings of the neutral stimulus and the potent biological stimulus that elicits the desired response."

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So you think I'll come back with glowing reviews after I try it? We've discussed this before. I have a very specific touring style that most would agree does not mesh with FP+.

No--

No one is saying you will like it. But knowing something won't work without actually using it is not evidence of a problematic system. And that is the disconnect. So if you haven't actually tried it--your reviews are merely outside observations that may or may not have credence. I don't expect you to spend a vacation trying it out if you don't want to. Who knows--maybe you will be right and it will make your trip and unpleasant experience. But any expectation for your opinion to carry merit without actual experience are expectations set too high and it is disingenuous to hop on threads and comment as though you actually know what it will be like. Because until now, I would have assumed you might have tried it.

It reminds me of the families that are suing for ADA violations when the GAC was dropped--without ever setting foot into the park to try the new system.

What do you gain by hopping on a strategies board and specifically onto a thread of someone's success and hopping onto the bandwagon of negativity?

Perhaps like me, you enjoy discussion--and that is fine.

But the feigned shock and surprise that others are fed up with the pile on, snark, and negative attitude on a thread that might have provided value to folks looking for someone with something good to say--isn't fooling anyone.

When you have an actual bad experience I do hope you will share so that others can learn and make their decisions accordingly.

 

[BugsDaddy]

I don't have a preference for Universal, he does. And I specifically expressed my disappointment with that. That's great, but I really don't think it's typical. Peruse the wait tables that Josh has posted along with some of his comments in regards to what he refers to as the "Post FP+ era". I think it's comical that when someone is critical of something at WDW, offers their experience with another system and explains how maybe some elements of it would help to improve the system(s) at WDW, they are attacked and demeaned by those who claim the opinions and experience are irrelevant and proceed to offer their own opinions and experiences as some sort of evidence. A previous poster mentioned a program by Fred Lee ("If Disney ran your hospital"). I would encourage you to also investigate the backgrounds of Harris Rosen and Jake Poore, two more ex-Disney employees who's success were born in part from weaknesses at Disney. My compliment to Disney about what they've been able to accomplish in terms of manufacturing and aligning customer expectations may have sailed over the heads of some, yet people pay to hear how Disney does that when these speakers present the very same topics.

Once again, you are saying that positive FP+ experiences "are not typical", yet you really offer no proof of that except in quoting other naysayers.

Typically, people tend to post more about negative experiences than positive experiences because people go to Disney expecting a positive experience and they have no ambition to post anything as long as they got what they expected.

So, just the fact that we are seeing the positive posts that we are which recently have been at least on par with the negative posts, shows that the majority of guests may not have the same opinion as you. You at least have to accept that as a possibility considering you have no tangible proof of the opposite.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh please....spare me the indignation. Referring to what Disney has accomplished as "an almost Pavlovian feat" is not a classification of anyone as "dogs".

It's a process, not an adjective used to describe the participants as animals.

"Classical conditioning (also Pavlovian or respondent conditioning) is a process of behavior modification in which an innate response to a potent biological stimulus become expressed in response to a previously neutral stimulus; this is achieved by repeated pairings of the neutral stimulus and the potent biological stimulus that elicits the desired response."

No one is buying what you are selling.

I hope you have a productive day.

 

[SmithSmith]

Oh please....spare me the indignation. Referring to what Disney has accomplished as "an almost Pavlovian feat" is not a classification of anyone as "dogs".

It's a process, not an adjective used to describe the participants as animals.

"Classical conditioning (also Pavlovian or respondent conditioning) is a process of behavior modification in which an innate response to a potent biological stimulus become expressed in response to a previously neutral stimulus; this is achieved by repeated pairings of the neutral stimulus and the potent biological stimulus that elicits the desired response."

Yet you decided to refer to the stimulus as a "treat".

That's an interesting word choice if you weren't trying to compare us to Pavlovs dogs.