My FP+ Park Strategy WILL SAVE ME ALMOST $20,000!!!

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Perhaps "obnoxious" would have been a better word for him. The purpose is to even out wait times. You can still do just as many rides in a day as before; sometimes more.

Don't you see the contradiction in your own post ? The purpose is to even out wait times, across a larger group of people, meaning no, I can't do just as many rides as before. More people are using FP+, more rides have FPs available for them. I can't get as many, and other rides have longer wait times. All things held equal, I can not get as much done as I once could.

Its really simple logic.
 
Don't you see the contradiction in your own post ? The purpose is to even out wait times, across a larger group of people, meaning no, I can't do just as many rides as before. More people are using FP+, more rides have FPs available for them. I can't get as many, and other rides have longer wait times. All things held equal, I can not get as much done as I once could.

Its really simple logic.
This is very true, but only for riders with above-average ride-counts (maybe super-riders?). For a park operating at capacity, your loss is someone else's gain. It's the sad truth given fixed capacity. But honestly, if you ride something 3x you are literally depriving other guests of that experience.

Of course, you shouldn't think too hard about that since it's true for every ride you go on.

[UPDATE]
Basically, all these three statements are true simultaneously:
- Bobby can no longer ride as much as before, entirely due to FP+
- Suzy rides much more than before, entirely thanks to FP+
- The entire park offers the exact same number of rides before and after FP+

I think many of us are saying "I'm Bobby" or "I'm Suzy", and others are saying "the park is exactly the same". I guess the point is that everyones right, because of math.
 
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Oh, and we'll go ahead and add some AP's to Universal while we're at it ($884) so we have something else to do each day once we've used our 3 FP's!!

Wait until you renew those APs. If you're talking Preferred, the renewal price on them for the last 3 years has been $170 each. Score!

You could also hit Uni first, then once it closes head over to WDW with the FP+s already arranged. Maybe catch an evening parade (thereby using even more resources by standing there to see the parade, and already having eaten most/all of the day's food outside of WDW) as well.


Funny, I don't think many people here think he is ridiculous at all. This really makes sense. FP+ has, as part of its purpose, changed the availability of rides and the need to standing in longer SB lines, it forces a change in touring strategy and attempt to manipulate your behaviour, the reaction is to limit the control the system has on you, and extract the most from it while minimizing the cost to yourself.

I totally agree.


But it isn't "not-great" now. Really. FP+ works fine. If I can take my family of 6, and ride tons of rides in a day during moderate to busy times including all headliners multiple times -- then seriously what is the deal. It's really fine.

That was you on your trip(s). I go with my family of THREE and we have a lousy time. I go with a friend of mine, who is much more go with the flow, and less dependent on regular feedings, and we had a pretty-good time that pulled me from "I hate this" to "with the right people this CAN work out OK", but really, the only thing I remember from what made it "pretty good" was somehow snagging mine train FP+s inside an hour from when we got on it. After trying for weeks and weeks (we got tickets late in the game) to get ANYthing for that ride. That is the only thing I remember from the trip, FP+wise, and I truly cannot remember why I changed my feelings on it so much.

That was our trip, our group.


We were probably in the minority in finding the dining plan worth it but that's only because we figured out how to derive the maximum possible value from it in order to save a few bucks a day. So rather than $175 a day we'll spend less than a hundred and eat at places like Capitol Grill.

And with your son about to age up to "adult", the DDP was going to get worse. As my son has gotten older, his urge to go to a character meal have gone to almost zero. So there go the buffets that might have brought the DDP into being OK for us. But actually it wasn't OK for me and DH, because we both do Weight Watchers and cannot gorge like we sort of used to be able to do. Doing so hurts now.

Not that you're in that WW situations, but with a son aging up and possibly out of character buffets, you might not have retained the positive opinion of the DDP for much longer.


I'm going to have to look into that. Last month I think we paid roughly $250 a night to stay at RPR but that was over New Years and was peak pricing; I haven't seen yet what sort of AP discounts they offer.

http://uo.loewshotels.com/en/booking/uo?hotel=UEPBH,UEHRH,UERPR

Bookmark that site. :) Check it regularly. Use "APH" in the field code to see if there are AP rates for your dates at the time you're looking. (I think they are into March for AP rates right now...) If there's an AP rate, it will show it. If not, it will show the next publicly available rate. Though always check without APH, because especially with a longer trip, Stay More Save More is often less. Our 8 night rate in early January was 155.80/night plus tax; the AP rate would have been 164 base rate.

And if you went with Preferred or the next up, you get a percentage of almost all food and almost all merchandise. Ask wherever you're spending money if they have a discount (assuming preferred or higher...Power Pass doesn't have discounts other than hotel), just in case.


Mind if I ask what your fascination with Common Core is in response to an adult never subjected to it?

Just because they didn't call it CC back then, the CC way of doing math is an old school way of doing it. I'm pretty sure it's how my mom was taught math, and she was born in '44. My aunt, born in '42, learned the way I did in the 70s; we call it the "just do it" method. Put the numbers on top of each other, carry, borrow, whatever, just do the problem. My mom couldn't help me with math once I hit 5th grade because she said I had the "new math" and she had NO idea what I was doing. The CC method works very well for my husband and son; their minds work in that way, and they can do math WAY faster than I can. It takes more time for me to do it CC style, but as I make myself do it (afterall, I homeschool my son and kind of have to know it to teach it, and it's the method that makes his brain happiest) it makes more and more sense, especially for mental math.

lake is slamming CC, but it's actually decent, especially if the teachers know how to teach it AND especially if the parents could have video of what's being taught, so they know what the kids were taught about it. I cannot imagine how hard it must be for parents trying to help their kids when they haven't had the lessons! They must end up like my mom, dangling me in the breeze with math, because they simply do not comprehend what is being taught.

Oh and it's also very similar to Singapore Math from what I've seen, which is like how DH was taught when he was in school in Taiwan. He went back to the States probably two grade levels ahead of his former and then current classmates in math, because of how they were taught. It truly isn't a horrible way of doing math. It's just hard to catch on when you weren't there in class for the lessons.
 
I'm going to have to look into that. Last month I think we paid roughly $250 a night to stay at RPR but that was over New Years and was peak pricing; I haven't seen yet what sort of AP discounts they offer. At that price we lose the lodging savings but the food expense could still be less. I was impressed by the choices CityWalk had to offer, many of them reasonably priced - but then International Drive isn't far away and has no shortage of great places to eat.
We did this very thing a few years ago but got a real good deal at RPR. For a few days we went to Universal for the day and then to MK in the evening. I called it another form of park hopping. RPR has been too pricey lately for this to work well for us now though.

I love some of your ideas. I'll be watching this thread.

Our new strategy is APs and 2-3 times more park days as before. :)

We were considering DVC, but changed our minds mainly because of FP+. I think another timeshare might work better for us.

We just spent this past weekend at Universal. Doesn't have the "magic" though, even our kids said that.
In the eyes of the beholder. We consider Universal every bit as magical in its way but it does depend on what you're looking for.
 
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This is very true, but only for riders with above-average ride-counts (maybe super-riders?). For a park operating at capacity, your loss is someone else's gain. It's the sad truth given fixed capacity. But honestly, if you ride something 3x you are literally depriving other guests of that experience.

Of course, you shouldn't think too hard about that since it's true for every ride you go on.

[UPDATE]
Basically, all these three statements are true simultaneously:
- Bobby can no longer ride as much as before, entirely due to FP+
- Suzy rides much more than before, entirely thanks to FP+
- The entire park offers the exact same number of rides before and after FP+

I think many of us are saying "I'm Bobby" or "I'm Suzy", and others are saying "the park is exactly the same". I guess the point is that everyones right, because of math.
Great post. You put it so simply and it makes so much sense.

Love it, Lake!! I missed this place! :smooth:


Well look who popped up suddenly. The boards change but as you can see some things never do. ;)
 
And the AP discount for CSR is 30% right now. So two weeks in June, with APs & DDP costs less than $6000.
 
FP+ also saved me $5500 this year. Because it made me dislike the parks so much, I decided not to go for our annual trip.
 
Well look who popped up suddenly. The boards change but as you can see some things never do. ;)
It's like picking a scab. Just about the time you think it's healed, you go and pull that little part off and it starts bleeding all over again!:rolleyes1
 
Lake, I thought you did Free Dining during your November trip?

We did this last time but it required taking DS out of school in order to time eligibility. Won't be able to do that anymore and I see the probability of FD being offered in the future as very low if not at all so I'm not counting on it going forward.
 
Wait until you renew those APs. If you're talking Preferred, the renewal price on them for the last 3 years has been $170 each. Score!

You could also hit Uni first, then once it closes head over to WDW with the FP+s already arranged. Maybe catch an evening parade (thereby using even more resources by standing there to see the parade, and already having eaten most/all of the day's food outside of WDW) as well.

And with your son about to age up to "adult", the DDP was going to get worse. As my son has gotten older, his urge to go to a character meal have gone to almost zero. So there go the buffets that might have brought the DDP into being OK for us. But actually it wasn't OK for me and DH, because we both do Weight Watchers and cannot gorge like we sort of used to be able to do. Doing so hurts now.

Not that you're in that WW situations, but with a son aging up and possibly out of character buffets, you might not have retained the positive opinion of the DDP for much longer.

http://uo.loewshotels.com/en/booking/uo?hotel=UEPBH,UEHRH,UERPR

Bookmark that site. :) Check it regularly. Use "APH" in the field code to see if there are AP rates for your dates at the time you're looking. (I think they are into March for AP rates right now...) If there's an AP rate, it will show it. If not, it will show the next publicly available rate. Though always check without APH, because especially with a longer trip, Stay More Save More is often less. Our 8 night rate in early January was 155.80/night plus tax; the AP rate would have been 164 base rate.

And if you went with Preferred or the next up, you get a percentage of almost all food and almost all merchandise. Ask wherever you're spending money if they have a discount (assuming preferred or higher...Power Pass doesn't have discounts other than hotel), just in case.

Awesome advice, thanks! Yes, we have the preferred AP's and it makes sense to hit USO in the mornings and WDW in the evenings. And if the USO resort rate is low enough (I'd call <200 a night low enough) it would definitely be worth staying there for the EP every day and make FP's for WDW in the evenings.

Ultimately, it comes down to what we can get per dollar per day. I don't know that there's anyone on these boards who would knowingly accept less when it's possible to get more. FP+ will make it possible for us to get more by allowing us to spend a good portion of the day doing other things somewhere else and still be able to hit a WDW park and two or three of the best that park has to offer. With no line. At least, that's what I'm thinking right now.
 
And the AP discount for CSR is 30% right now. So two weeks in June, with APs & DDP costs less than $6000.

I saw that, but the dates don't work for us. DS doesn't get out of school for the summer until 6/5 so we'd only be able to get our first week discounted. The second week would be full rack. But even if we could get 30% off the entire two weeks, a small room at CSR would still be more than a 2 bedroom condo by almost $40 a night. And besides, I've been able to beat my own deal by booking a three-star 1-bedroom condo thru Hotwire for $485 for TWO weeks 6/6-6/20. That's less than $35 a night and another $1,000 in savings:

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I came to a similar conclusion. Either stretch out your stay to say two weeks to do the same amount of stuff or realize that you cant do as much as you could before and spend three-five days in the park doing what you can (which is less).
I guess this strategy might work for some people, but our family has a limited number of vacation days that can be taken in blocks of time. We also can't justify spending more time at WDW to do the same amount of things we were able to do before FP+.
 
I saw that, but the dates don't work for us. DS doesn't get out of school for the summer until 6/5 so we'd only be able to get our first week discounted. The second week would be full rack.

I'm going to back and out let you offsiter/Univeral lovers have some fun uninterrupted, but as a long time AP holder, you must know that the AP discount is released much closer to the arrival dates than other discounts. While the current discount ends in early June, there will be another one released before that one expires. It's been consistent for years now.

For example, we currently have reservations at the Wilderness Lodge. Our first 3 days are under a 37% AP discount, the remaining days are rack rate. We're just waiting for the new AP rates to come out and it's a quick call to have them make the adjustments to our reservation. And, if you can't get AP, there's always another discount of some kind. Going the time of year you're talking about- there's not much chance there won't be discounts.

I didn't look at your math, mostly because I find the whole notion of this sudden revelation that staying offsite is cheaper than staying on site to be silly, but if you're basing your savings on rack rate-that's not realistic. There's hardly ever a reason to pay rack rate anymore. We haven't paid rack in years.
 
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Yeah, I've always tried to have an open mind about it. I enjoy a good discussion, sure. But I was always open to ways to make it work for us. And once I starting looking at how much more we could accomplish (and save!) by no longer staying and eating on-site, all the while enjoying the same benefits each day in the parks, it became a no-brainer.

Will we miss staying on-site? I don't know for sure. Maybe. But that "bubble" that we've enjoyed for 40 years is slowly being burst by outside influence anyway. And when we were at USO we realized that they've got a pretty good "bubble" effect as well and they aren't nearly as big.

I honestly do have to give FP+ credit for all of this; had it not been for the changing dynamics of our park days we probably would have continued wasting so much $$$$ each year.

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I appreciate the importance of spending money wisely. Obviously, staying off-site can save folks money that they can use toward another vacation. I'm still new to Disneyworld and I love staying on site and eating at the resorts. I do pay for this but I feel it is part of the vacation....a part I'm willing to pay more to enjoy. I still stay back at the resort to swim and relax and park hop as I like. My kids are grown, which greatly assists in being able to have a laid back pace. I like the past pass+ ability to get on my favorite rides and I plan around those times. Thank you for sharing your money saving tip. It will allow families that don't have as much to spend the ability to still enjoy a vacation.
 
Thank you for sharing your money saving tip. It will allow families that don't have as much to spend the ability to still enjoy a vacation.

........ and it will also allow those who do have as much to spend (but don't feel like they were getting value for it) the ability to still enjoy Disney as part of their vacation.
 
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