My Democratic Party...

[*Robin*]

I have to wonder how much history the current Democrat party can really remember.

This is the man that first made me sign on the dotted line when I was in college. He was dead before I was even born, but I was lucky enough to have an education not run by the government (at least not to the extent it is today), and therefore open to many ideas.

When was the last time anyone heard a Democrat ask our country to step up to the plate and do your best to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, to take responsibility for your own actions, and to respect everyone, no matter what race, religion, ideal or "class" for who they are? (People with the same hopes, dreams as anyone else.)

You can all be holier than thou, throwing mud, playing your "I'm so much more evolved than you so I can talk to you as I see fit" games. It's just a small environment mirroring what you see in the nation. To me, it's pathetic, it's sad, and it is slowly deteriorating our great country. There is no right path any longer, only bickering and nonsense. It's been years, and nothing ever gets done. The American people are paying, and it's still, even now, more games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY

No, I won't be back to defend my stance, I don't really have much more to say. I really don't feel much more need to come to the Dis. I should never have come over to the CB. I was excited about an upcoming trip. I should have just left well enough alone and stayed in the park threads.

I've learned now. (good riddance I'm sure from most of you...)

Anyway, best to you all. I've become so ashamed of the party I was so proud of. I won't be missed, I know, there are plenty of sheep to take over. I guess I just felt the need to speak up. The "Mods" can go ahead and delete the thread now...it's not conducive to your agenda.

 

[Junebugwv]

Robin, you sound like our friends, neighbors and co-workers in WV. You are not alone in your assessment of the Democratic Party.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Geeez, I'd like to hear more details.
I have no idea what ya mean.

 

[Took]

Robin,

I come from a working-class, blue collar background and have been a Dem. all my life. I also work every day with similar folks.

Many, many, many folks ARE pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. I work with them every day. Many are "going under" in spite of their efforts. The Democratic Party is trying hard to be there for them and help them. Sure, some deadbeats take advantage of these efforts, too. The deadbeats and cheaters are part of every system. But the party is see now is the party that has been around since FDR and trying to address the same issues.

If you think the Dem. Party is not for you, of course, you can vote Rep. But I will guarantee you that they will not help the "little guy" in America. They will open us up to the kind of unbridled greed and military spending we've seen for eight years.

 

[Master Mason]

Geeez, I'd like to hear more details.
I have no idea what ya mean.

You honestly can't see the difference of the Democratic part of Kennedy vs the Democratic party of today?

And to show that I am equal opportunity, the Republican party certainly isn't what it used to be either, both of them have gone down hill, just different sides of the hill.

 

[minniecarousel]

I'm sure that neither party is as it was 40-50 years ago.

What are you doing to change things?

 

[Aisling]

That was an honest and powerful post by the OP.

I agree 100%. I'm sure many Republicans and Democrats feel the same way about their party, but can't admit it. John F. Kennedy was a great president.

Food for thought, people.

 

[chisnpeke]

You honestly can't see the difference of the Democratic part of Kennedy vs the Democratic party of today?

And to show that I am equal opportunity, the Republican party certainly isn't what it used to be either, both of them have gone down hill, just different sides of the hill.

And FDR...if FDR was running today I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I have to wonder how much history the current Democrat party can really remember.

This is the man that first made me sign on the dotted line when I was in college. He was dead before I was even born, but I was lucky enough to have an education not run by the government (at least not to the extent it is today), and therefore open to many ideas.

When was the last time anyone heard a Democrat ask our country to step up to the plate and do your best to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, to take responsibility for your own actions, and to respect everyone, no matter what race, religion, ideal or "class" for who they are? (People with the same hopes, dreams as anyone else.)

You can all be holier than thou, throwing mud, playing your "I'm so much more evolved than you so I can talk to you as I see fit" games. It's just a small environment mirroring what you see in the nation. To me, it's pathetic, it's sad, and it is slowly deteriorating our great country. There is no right path any longer, only bickering and nonsense. It's been years, and nothing ever gets done. The American people are paying, and it's still, even now, more games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY

No, I won't be back to defend my stance, I don't really have much more to say. I really don't feel much more need to come to the Dis. I should never have come over to the CB. I was excited about an upcoming trip. I should have just left well enough alone and stayed in the park threads.

I've learned now. (good riddance I'm sure from most of you...)

Anyway, best to you all. I've become so ashamed of the party I was so proud of. I won't be missed, I know, there are plenty of sheep to take over. I guess I just felt the need to speak up. The "Mods" can go ahead and delete the thread now...it's not conducive to your agenda.

I understand how you feel....I used to be a democrat. The CB was an eye-opener for me. I was surprised at the nastiness. I realized, if it's this bad on the Dis.....wow....what's it like in the "real" world?

 

[LisaB]

The video gives me goosebumps

 

[Uncle Remus]

You honestly can't see the difference of the Democratic part of Kennedy vs the Democratic party of today?

And to show that I am equal opportunity, the Republican party certainly isn't what it used to be either, both of them have gone down hill, just different sides of the hill.

LOL, that's a trick question, ain't it, Master Mason?

I know where I'm postin' at the moment, I post at several boards and I come to the DIS for the "light version" of politics 'n to look around in the Resorts 'n Parks threads for a mental escape.

I do admit there are times, many, many times that I type out a response I'd love to give, but then I think "DIS" and I delete it.

MM, I can't answer your question honestly, I like the DIS, the DIS is a nice break from politics, some of us are much more invloved with real politics than some of the keyboard warriors here. I'd love to tell you what I really think of this country's politics, but I can't, I'm trying to work within the established rules.


And to the OP, Darlin', I wish you well, you sound stressed, I hope you feel better after your Disney trip. And consider this, don't leave DIS, just back off the CB. There's some cool stuff on the other forums, try the Parks forum, it's fun there until ya run across somebody who wants to complain about somebody's kid who pees in the bushes.

 

[DawnCt1]

And FDR...if FDR was running today I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

FDR couldn't be elected today. The media would show endless pictures of him in a wheel chair, speculate how long he could live with the "risks" of the "hazards of immobility". They would comment that he "looks older and more tired", etc.

 

[RNMOM]

I agree there has been an erosion of the party. I AM old enough to remember JFK. I remember his debate with Nixon and I remember his funeral. I was in 3rd grade when he was shot and we all cried. I wonder if school children now would cry if the POTUS was killed, no matter who he was.

I come from a long line of Democrats and remain one. My DH was from a Republican family and has converted since living with me.

I do believe Barak Obama will work hard to make us a united force once again. Did you see the debate last night? Do you remember him saying we all need to work together to make the needed changes in our country? I believe that.

Our society is a mess and we continue to allow it to be so. No one can make anyone else change who and what they are. Each of us has to do it on our own. I have always lived my life knowing what I say and do impacts on others. I do my best to use only what I need of our precious planet and encourage my family and others to do so also. We must lead by example. I think that is what Kennedy's message was at heart. He was a great man but had his own set of flaws, just as we all do.

I appreciate that you came here to the CB and posted your own views. I certainly understand how you feel about being treated here. I have those feelings myself.

Best of luck and remember, lead by example.

 

[Uncle Remus]

FDR couldn't be elected today. The media would show endless pictures of him in a wheel chair, speculate how long he could live with the "risks" of the "hazards of immobility". They would comment that he "looks older and more tired", etc.

Maybe, but Eleanor would be a great President!

 

[bsnyder]

Sure, some deadbeats take advantage of these efforts, too. The deadbeats and cheaters are part of every system.

I think "the system" is broken. It was never meant to take the place of personal responsibility, it was meant to help those who truly will never be able to take care of themselves, or to help someone temporarily when, through no fault of their own, they fall on hard times.

Because the government system has grown so large, the waste and fraud is completely unmanageble. But even worse, it encourages millions more to just get what they can out of it. They see their hard earned money being taxed to pay for the bohemouth "system" and the cheaters and the waste, and they think "hey, I might as well get something out of it too". This isn't the same thing as fraud, but it's a mindset that just as destructive to the system.

Obama made a remark in the debate last night that at one point his mom had to rely on food stamps to put food on the table. If so, it wasn't the result of something horribly unforseen and unfortunate happening to her. It was the result of very poor choices she made. And she had a family she could have relied on, instead of the government.

And yet the overwhelming response to poor choices these days is something along the lines of a shrug and "who am I to judge".

Being judgemental is now considered a much worse flaw than being irresponsible and making bad decisions.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I do believe Barak Obama will work hard to make us a united force once again. Did you see the debate last night? Do you remember him saying we all need to work together to make the needed changes in our country? I believe that.

I do not believe Obama will unite America. He's played too many race cards. He's promoting class warfare as well. I believe this country will further deteriorate under Obama. IMHO

 

[DawnCt1]

I do not believe Obama will unite America. He's played too many race cards. He's promoting class warfare as well. I believe this country will further deteriorate under Obama. IMHO

Every speech is class warfare; "Raise your hands if you don't make $250K" Lets punish success! And when he raises the capital gains tax, lets see what that does to those who depend upon their capital gains income and and lets see where investments go. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the volatility in the market has something to do with the fear of a democratic executive and legislative branch.

 

[Disney Doll]

I think "the system" is broken. It was never meant to take the place of personal responsibility, it was meant to help those who truly will never be able to take care of themselves, or to help someone temporarily when, through no fault of their own, they fall on hard times.

Because the government system has grown so large, the waste and fraud is completely unmanageble. But even worse, it encourages millions more to just get what they can out of it. They see their hard earned money being taxed to pay for the bohemouth "system" and the cheaters and the waste, and they think "hey, I might as well get something out of it too". This isn't the same thing as fraud, but it's a mindset that just as destructive to the system.

Obama made a remark in the debate last night that at one point his mom had to rely on food stamps to put food on the table. If so, it wasn't the result of something horribly unforseen and unfortunate happening to her. It was the result of very poor choices she made. And she had a family she could have relied on, instead of the government.

And yet the overwhelming response to poor choices these days is something along the lines of a shrug and "who am I to judge".

Being judgemental is now considered a much worse flaw than being irresponsible and making bad decisions.

Boy do I agree with every word you wrote.

 

[Mr Man]

I think "the system" is broken. It was never meant to take the place of personal responsibility, it was meant to help those who truly will never be able to take care of themselves, or to help someone temporarily when, through no fault of their own, they fall on hard times.

Because the government system has grown so large, the waste and fraud is completely unmanageble. But even worse, it encourages millions more to just get what they can out of it. They see their hard earned money being taxed to pay for the bohemouth "system" and the cheaters and the waste, and they think "hey, I might as well get something out of it too". This isn't the same thing as fraud, but it's a mindset that just as destructive to the system.

Obama made a remark in the debate last night that at one point his mom had to rely on food stamps to put food on the table. If so, it wasn't the result of something horribly unforseen and unfortunate happening to her. It was the result of very poor choices she made. And she had a family she could have relied on, instead of the government.

And yet the overwhelming response to poor choices these days is something along the lines of a shrug and "who am I to judge".

Being judgemental is now considered a much worse flaw than being irresponsible and making bad decisions.

I said I would respect the OP and let her original post remain without comment from me (it was a great post, heartfelt and apropo) but this is also an Excellent post. I agree with every single part of it.

Nicely done.

You are so right that being judgemental is considered a flaw by many today. Problem is, to lose the ability to judge is to lose any sense of judgement.

I would much rather be called judgemental than let it be said that I have no judgement.

I also respect this skill in those who intend to lead me.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I said I would respect the OP and let her original post remain without comment from me (it was a great post, heartfelt and apropo) but this is also an Excellent post. I agree with every single part of it.

Nicely done.

You are so right that being judgemental is considered a flaw by many today. Problem is, to lose the ability to judge is to lose any sense of judgement.

I would much rather be called judgemental than let it be said that I have no judgement.

I also respect this skill in those who intend to lead me.

Unfortunately, McCain's judgment has spiralled out of control, it's possible his political career is as done as Palin's.