My contract isn't selling :-(

suncup1225

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I am a current DVC owner and need to sell due to family changes (AKA another baby on the way) I am listed with a great company, they say I have the right price...is the market just that saturated with listings? Now I am even more concerned with the announcement of Grand Floridian DVC...is there anything I can do to speed the process? I was really hoping for our contract to sell before the end of the year :rolleyes:
 
There are probably a few different reasons possible. Basically you are waiting until someone is looking for your UY and/or someone likes your price. If you compare the price you are asking to the ROFR thread .

Are you getting offers at all? That's the best indication of how close your price is.

I wouldn't be concerned about the GF announcement. It will be a different market than resale. As well, you should be sold before they start selling it ;).
 
Is it a large contract? I would think larger contracts might be more difficult to sell than smaller ones.
 
I wouldn't necessarily say it's the right price if you aren't getting any interest and really want to sell. For the most part selling DVC isn't like selling a house where there are a lot of variables. Price and points available are going to be the two main things that attract interest. Size of contract, UY and location will drive demand also but price is about all you have to work with if it's not selling and you aren't willing to wait.

I wouldn't be concerned about the GF announcement having a large affect on the resale buyers interest. Resale prices have only been going down though - not up.
 

Perhaps people just don't want to part with disposable cash at this time of the year. I'd imagine, income tax time it will pick up again. Good Luck !!
 
I am a current DVC owner and need to sell due to family changes (AKA another baby on the way) I am listed with a great company, they say I have the right price...is the market just that saturated with listings? Now I am even more concerned with the announcement of Grand Floridian DVC...is there anything I can do to speed the process? I was really hoping for our contract to sell before the end of the year :rolleyes:

What resort and how many points? Also, is it possible to split a contract? or do you have to sell the whole thing? Since everyone says smaller contracts sell quicker? I don't know, I'm just asking.

Just a reminder to everyone that Resort and number of Points are not allowed to be posted on the DIS in Sales post. To answer the question put forth in this post, you can not split up a contract and sell "some" of the points, it is all or nothing. Unless you originally purchased multiple, smaller contracts in the first place. - Chuck S
 
The market is saturated. If you broker can add a note such as "all offers considered" that will get you offers (even if you do not like or accept them), otherwise you just need to keep lowering the price per point.

VGF is not going to change the resale market (other than making BLT not the new resort and not the only DVC on the monorail)
 
Also, is it possible to split a contract? or do you have to sell the whole thing?
No that's not possible. If OP has multiple contracts, they can be sold individually but individual contracts can't be split up by the owner.
 
Historically, this is also the time of year that a lot of resales hit the market...around the time people receive their dues notices & resort budgets.
 
If you compare the price you are asking to the ROFR thread.
IMO, the ROFR thread is a much more helpful tool for prospective buyers than for sellers. If you read the ROFR history carefullly, you can get a good idea of the lower level of prices that are clearing ROFR.

But I think sellers should realize that the ROFR thread listings are only a tiny slice of the overall resale market, and also that most prospective buyers aren't clever and diligent DISers like we all are. ;)

So for the seller I think an experienced broker, who is selling contracts every day, is likely to have a pretty good grasp of what the "right" pricing is. I know when we sold a 300 point OKW contract earlier this year, we got $4-$5 more per point than prices being reported on the ROFR thread.

Right now, the market for resales seems to be pretty soft so it may take a while to sell...especially if the contract is a larger one.
 
It is certainly a buyer's market right now. If you are not receiving any interest, the price is likely too high.
 
Is it a stripped contract or are all current and upcoming points available?
Bingo!

As someone who bought resale recently (money is sitting at the Title Company, waiting for the sellers to get their notarized documents in), I can tell you what I was looking for: I wanted the resort I wanted first (BLT, no consideration for any other), but equally important was being able to use two years of points for a 2012 vacation. This eliminated a lot of listings where people had already borrowed their 2012 usage. I had no interest in putting my money up now, but waiting two years to get my full usage.

Price is probably a secondary concern for many resale buyers.....most are not financing and have enough cash to buy outright....so the difference in a few dollars a point is not a big deal on a 30+ year commitment. And they likely have a 2012 vacation in mind when buying. I immediately threw out contracts that were stripped, no matter the price.

So bottom line is if your contract is stripped of 2012 usage, I wouldn't count on it selling until your much closer to the points being available.

I ended up buying a contract a little above the going price because the contract was loaded with currently usable points: the sellers banked 2010 points (have to use by end of March 2012), plus I had them bank the 2011 points into 2012.
 
...equally important was being able to use two years of points for a 2012 vacation. This eliminated a lot of listings where people had already borrowed their 2012 usage.

I don't think this attitude is limited to people who want double points for a big vacation. If I were in the resale market but didn't want my first set of points until 2013, I would definitely wait a year or so to make an offer. Odds are that the price will be lower by then.
 
I'm sorry, I am really confused, I hope someone can help me understand a "resale." We have been seriously considering DVC (and are looking into staying deluxe for the 3rd year in a row next summer.) It's just that we really can't finagle another bill right now (and don't have the lump sum to pay at once.)

What exactly is a resale, and is it much cheaper to buy through a resale than directly through Disney?

What are the pros/cons?

Thank you!
 
I'm sorry, I am really confused, I hope someone can help me understand a "resale." We have been seriously considering DVC (and are looking into staying deluxe for the 3rd year in a row next summer.) It's just that we really can't finagle another bill right now (and don't have the lump sum to pay at once.)

What exactly is a resale, and is it much cheaper to buy through a resale than directly through Disney?

What are the pros/cons?

Thank you!

Well, a resale is someone who purchase from Disney, and wishes to now sell it. Things change, finances, family, travel plans, etc...that would lead someone to decide they no longer want the contract they have. If you buy from Disney, the resorts you can "buy into" are BLT, SSR, and AKV. BLT may be sold out, I'm not sure. Resales can save you $ on the up front purchase price, and you can buy into a resort that is currently sold out. These resorts also have earlier end dates to the contract as well. You sound like you need to do a lot more research on whether this is right for you. Since you don't have the lump sum as you say, you can still finance it, but remember you are adding an extra cost in interest to your purchase. Not that this is a bad thing, if it's something you will use, it can still save you money.

If you are paying cash for "deluxe" accommodations, then DVC could certainly save you. Check out the various points charts for the time of year you typically travel. If you plan to continue with these travel plans, then compare the DVC room type you would use. It will give you an idea of how many points you need. With Banking and Borrowing points someone like me who travels every other year, can still make use of it, I just need less points.

To help you with your math to see how much you could save with an ownership.....Take the purchase price and divide by the total number of points you are buying in the contract (ex. 100 points per year at BCV would be 3000 points left in the contract till 2042) Then add the cost of dues per point. This will give you how much you paid per point for 2012. Multiply the price per point by the points required for the trip you want to take. Compare that to the cash price you would pay without an ownership. This will give you an idea of how much you could save each year.

Of course if you let your points expire without using them in a year, you are throwing away that much money as well. Also, dues increase every year so your price per point you are paying will go up as well. The purchase price divided by the total points is your base price per point. That will never change. But the yearly dues cost will go up. Prices for rooms direct through Disney will continue to increase in price in the future as well, but there is no guarantee that the price increase will be the same rate as the dues increases. So far over the history it seems to me they are on par with each other with an advantage to DVC. So, it can save you money, if you are a frequent WDW traveler.

There are restrictions to uses of your points to resale buyers that started this year, but most people will agree these other uses are not a cost effective way of using the points.
 
I don't think this attitude is limited to people who want double points for a big vacation. If I were in the resale market but didn't want my first set of points until 2013, I would definitely wait a year or so to make an offer. Odds are that the price will be lower by then.

I totally agree with both PP on this point. I always look at resale just in case...:rotfl: and will not even look twice at a contract that does not have current year points unless the price is real low. I purchased a contract 6 months ago with 2009, 2010 and 2011 (coming after closing). there were lower price contracts out there but once I rented the 2009 points my price per point was decreased by 10.00 PP which made the contract a great price! I just do the math when a contract catches my eye!

OP good luck and congrats on the new baby!:cloud9:
 
Well, a resale is someone who purchase from Disney, and wishes to now sell it.
Actually, a resale is just a purchase from someone other than Disney, usually through a licensed real estate broker. How the seller bought originally is immaterial.
 
and is it much cheaper to buy through a resale than directly through Disney?
Yes. Depending on the home resort, you should save 10%-50% compared to Disney's direct prices.

What are the pros/cons?
The big pro of buying resale is price.

The biggest downside (to me) is that resale is more time-consuming. A direct purchase will close in a couple of weeks; resale may take 6-8 weeks.

Formerly (2 years ago or so) there was some uncertainty with buying resale because Disney exercised their Right of First Refusal on resale contracts. More recently, they have almost completely abandoned ROFR, so there's not much uncertainty anymore (just agonizing waiting).

There are also some restrictions on resale points, but I have two points to make about those. First of all, they're not great uses of points to begin with. And secondly, those uses of points are not GUARANTEED to ANY owner. They could easily be taken away from direct purchasers at any time.
 



















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