My Cathartic Statement.

Everyones opinion is a valid one, and I personally don't think anyone here wants to get the sugercoated version of anything Disney ( I'd buy the offical guides and visit only the offical website if I wanted that!:D )
I do know that those of us not on the cruise are only relying on what we have heard second hand. As far as tgiving cruisers complaint, I'm sorry for the bad start to your cruise. I know DCL does take roll call at the drill. According to DisneyDarwins post, they started boarding at 3pm. I guess they keep the drill at it's usual time so dinner would not run late- I know my muster station is in AP. I know late arrivals do not get the hoopla early ones do ( our first cruise we were later arriving so we did not have the charaters there or our names annouced)
As in anything we purchase, as consumers, we have the right to send a message with our feet, to never enter a store or hotel, resort, cruise, etc, if we do not feel we are recieving a perceived value for the money spent. That is why there are lots of cruise lines and lots of other theme parks. I don't expect everyone to like DCl or WDW.
Please keep posting :D
 
I think that people have a right to be disappointed and not satisfied.

However, I spent my honeymoon on NCL. It was our first cruise and first major holiday and there were things that went wrong and things that weren't perfect but it was still a great experience. We had the air/ground transfers and complete package and my luggage was lost with all of our souvenirs and video tapes of the first part of our holiday. I never saw it again. I lost all of my nice clothing... etc... you get the picture. I was very disappointed but I still think we had a great trip because of all that we learned and of the good times we had.

We are planning a full family vacation on the Disney Magic but spending three days in WDW first. I loved Disney growing up and did my son's nursery all in Disney. I have alot of expectations for me and my kids but if my trip isn't exactly the way I plan it or we get sick, it still will be an awesome experience because we did together and there has to be positives. Disney is only a company, trying to fulfill their obligations. NCL was only a company trying to fulfill their obligations and even though you spend alot of money, any vacation is what you make of it.

There has to be some positives along with negatives and if people choose not to "ever" deal with Disney again maybe they will find vacations that impress them more but you know, it won't always be flawless. Disney just has its brushes in more paint so their problems stand out alot more because I think we all expect alot from them because of characters and themes etc. No one else does that, so there is less of an expectation.

I am sorry to hear that your vacation wasn't as expected but hopefully your next vacation in your next destination will be everything you hoped for.
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<B>cndncruiz:</B> PERFECTLY put!
 
I do not agree with the feeling that anybody that posts something negative about Disney gets "shut down". Yes, some people do get very defensive about Disney and that is because it is part of our collective culture...to me, not just a company.

If I was sailing on 11/23 after knowing what happened the week before, I would expect things not to be running perfectly. Disney would have to be almost superhuman to keep things on a perfect schedule after going through an extensive cleaning and bit of a delay.

Also, as Webmaster Alex said, we need and would like to know exacatly what Disney did, or did not do to live up to your expectations. I find it hard to believe the whole 7 day trip was awful.

We were on the first sailing of the Magic back on 7/30/98. Let me tell you, tons of things went wrong....no A/C for two days, very disorganized, no evening activities...I could go on and on. The point is, we knew that it was their first sailing and did not expect everything to be perfect...that was a risk we took. Almost like the risk you took being on the 11/23 cruise. If I am not mistaken Disney did give the option to people not to cruise. You decided to cruise. We all hold Disney up to a higher standard than other companies because they have a proven record of quality and performance. But, they are not perfect, and I would not expect them to be perfect especially after the previous sailing. I knew things would get better and since have been on 6 DCL sailings with #7 and #8 already booked.

I for one will wait to hear the rest of your report before I can make any determinations. As I said in an earlier post, we are basing our feedback on what we have been reading on these boards and would have to wait until the 11/23 cruisers came back to get the real story. I do feel sorry that your cruise was not what you hoped for. And, as opinions go, you are definetely entitled to yours. Disney is not for everyone. We have sailed on 7 different cruise lines and always come back to Disney because our experience onboard Disney has ALWAYS EXCEEDED every other cruise line. I hope you don't mind me saying that the week you cruised was not the best week in terms of judging DCL.

Please post your report as soon as convenient...thanks.

MJ
 

As a member of this board for over two years I have never seen anyone shut out for thier negative opinions. I have seen people get upset when others didn't agree with them, but that is far different.

I like hearing all sides so that I can make my own decisions and I think most others on the board are the same way. Seeing all sides however needs specifics as Webmaster Alex has asked for.

Belu: what behavior did you see or experience that turned you off. From what I've heard/read on these boards those on board and those on the 11/30 cruise were treated very fairly.

tgiving cruisers - same thing. What are the specifics. We heard all week from DisneyDarwin last week and KenP the week before live from the Magic. They gave specifics about what they saw and did and how they were or were not impacted by this. DisneyDarwin just posted today that he got it the last night. To use generic comments doesn't really give your side.

I don't think anyone is going to flame anyone as long as they are giving their opinion especially if they back it up with specifics.

If either of you choose to back away from your Disney Cruises and Vacations that is more than your right. I hope you find other lines/vacations that make you happy. For me and my DH Disney is the best!
 
Originally posted by tgiving cruisers
I didn't ask for a free cruise.

"If you appraoch this situation with the thought that Disney has never and never will do anything wrong, then this is all a moot
However, considering that the sailing was delayed, it was ridiculous to hold the safety drill as many passengers were getting on. Attendance is mandatory!!! Other cruise lines take attendance!!!!
"My point in the character greeting, or any greeting at all, was to relate to the fact that our first impression was not a good one. Again, I didn't ask for a free cruise. I wouldn't sail Disney again, even for free. The sad thing is how much we looked forward to the trip and also how many of our friends and co-workers are waiting for our feedback, etc.
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Attendance has always been taken on our drills.

I have never said that Disney has never/will never do anything wrong- any organization run by human beings makes errors- I wanted to know what the horrendous things (specifics) they did to you were.
Still not being greeted by a character ruined your first impression? You were not impressed by the beauty of the ship only focused on the fact that a character was not there to say welcome aboard when you boarded late? I would love to hear what SPECIFICALLY was so terrible that you would not even cruise for free?
 
We were on the 11/7 cruise and believe it or not, people were sick! Was that the Norwalk virus or just an unfortunate situation for those who did get sick? As it has been said many times, if people would wash their hands, this would be a moot point. Disney has made us unhappy at times too, however, we give Disney the benefit of the doubt with their experience. I experienced food poisoning from one of MGM's restaurants. I ended up in the hospital, getting fluids and was very ill for days. I asked nothing of Disney because the very same thing could happen at any restaurant. My daughter broke her arm at Vero Beach Resort, was that Disney's fault? My son slipped and fell running for the monorail while it was raining, should I blame Disney for that because it was raining on our vacation? It is sad that we have such a litigious society. Someone always has to be blamed and no one is willing to take some of the blame themselves.

Everyone is different, we all have different opinions, that's what makes this an intersting world to live in. Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought and felt the same about everything?
 
Too belu, and others who have obviously come to a really bad feeling about Disney and or DCL....

Please do comment!!! Many of us, (many more non-posting I am sure) are waiting with baited breath.

I really do understand your hesitance in making negative comments. Yes, I too have seen many comments that were not raving testimonials to DISNEY recieve a strong (even if not quite flaming) response. There have been times when Disney did make mistakes that should have been corrected and made-right, where others blamed the poster portraying them as 'over-reactive'. I, like you, would have that as a concern, making me hesitate to make negative comments.....

But, HEY, this is your big chance!! If you feel that Disney has truly let you down in many ways (last straw type situation...) And, if you feel that you will no longer be spending your time, money, and vacation dreams with Disney.... Then, hey... Speak your peace, and then simply leave the board, very nicely please, with lots of facts... And I for one would be more than happy to consider any information that you may have!

I consider this board a learning experience. I would like to learn in what ways someone may feel that RCCL may 'have it all over' DCL when it comes to making cruisers happy??? And, another tiny trivial example... I am happy to have learned here that late boarders may miss a lot of the greeting and pomp and circumstance, apparantly due to the fact the the ship is then gearing up for everything else that is to take place as the ship sails and the cruise gets underway. ( I definately plan to be at the port, way early!!! :D )

Yes, we are still looking forward to our cruise with DCL. But, all of you on the board here be warned... When we return, my trip report WILL be objective and truthful! My concern is my experience as a DCL customer.... not DCL's reputation!!! :D
 
Ohhhh, about attendance at the drill...

I have always heard that attendance is taken at the drill!!!

I would imagine that, if you have not boarded PRIOR to the drill, then there will be no record that you are actually on the ship, and you would not be on the attendance role. Hhhhmmmm....

I think there are a lot of people who would actually be glad to not have to go thru the 'Hassle'.!!! :D
 
It’s amazing to see all the responses and reaction to the earlier comments that we made regarding our less than “Magical” 11/23 cruise.

Let’s get a few things straight. We were a Disney family. Honeymooned there in 1987 and have been back at least twelve times since then. There were years we would do the Fall fantasy (remember that awesome package?) in September and come back again when I would travel to Orlando on business in December. My older daughter has spent at least two birthdays (early December) in the Magic Kingdom.

Our disenchantment with Disney actually dates back to May ’02 when we spent seven nights at the Wilderness Lodge. Without making this an even longer post, we were treated rudely by our Maid; treated poorly by a lifeguard at Blizzard Beach after our younger daughter was injured. We didn’t ask for any freebies. We complained to the appropriate people and left it at that. But after all the trips to WDW, we were disappointed that not only the employees appeared to have lost that “Pixie Dust” that so many of you spread around on these boards to wish people luck, but the management had as well. My wife actually passed on an opportunity to go back in Aug. ’02 with friends based on our May visit.

So we decide that a Thanksgiving cruise sounded like fun. I spoke with a co-worker who did the seven-day Magic in June. He raved; we booked. In the past we’ve cruised with NCL and RCCL twice.

When the 11/16 cruise had the virus problem, we did a lot of reading on these boards and felt relatively certain that a company with the reputation of Disney would really make sure that the next cruise would be super. I think we decided not to cash out based on this factor. If anything, our expectations were increased. First mistake.

Yes, we were apprehensive of risking getting sick. Of course we didn’t expect the ship to be 100% germ-free. What we were looking for was the magical feeling that we so often encountered in WDW. Considering that, we were expecting some glitches. Being holed up in the Orlando Airport Hyatt for five hours was certainly a bad way to begin. Very little information was offered and the attitude of some of the cast members had us scratching our heads.

Then we finally get to the ship; five and half-hours after landing, and as mentioned earlier, not much in the way of a greeting. Wouldn’t you think that the cruise staff would have been instructed to go out of their way to make sure we felt comfortable coming on board after the press the 11/16 cruise (and Holland America) received. How about a free drink for all guests at the sail away party? Does anyone out there know what the term “goodwill” means?

Other members on this board have asked for specifics as to why we had such a bad experience. Well, we felt “let down” from the moment we boarded and kept hoping for things to get better. We were expecting honest communications from the medical staff or captain, but it was our Cabin Host who let us in on the fact that people were getting ill on Tuesday morning. But as he put it, “Keep it a secret, please.” Apparently he was told not to say anything, but felt compelled to tell us so we would wash up frequently.

How about Tuesday morning sitting in the Disney Theatre as the Grand Cayman officials pondered not clearing the ship? Cruise staff member John from Wales deflected questions from those of us waiting to tender to our excursions, but it was clear that the delay was virus related. We were to learn on Saturday that many people were left without excursions due to the delay only to be told, “well at least you’re not being charged.”

Or how about Friday at Castaway? Nothing going on, no parasailing, no banana boats, no Post Office, no local vendors. Why? Because the locals didn’t want to risk getting sick.

Or how about the lovely smells throughout the ship? Anyone ever ride the Staten Island Ferry? I pity the housekeeping staff who had to keep up with the sick passengers whether it be in cabins or in the public areas. More than once we walked around with our noses covered due to the smell.

Anyone out there stop by Guest Services to inquire about upgrading? Again I wasn’t asking for a freebie!! I was told that after sailing I should come back. So, I did at 7PM on Saturday. I was then told that I needed to fill out an upgrade request form and I would get a call from the person in charge of upgrades. Still waiting.

Anyone find it strange that the Captain didn’t shake hands at his “reception”? How about the in-room memo telling us to limit physical contact with other passengers. Huh?

How about no condiments on the tables? How about the absolute pathetic celebration of Thanksgiving? You would see more decorating at your child’s kindergarten class. It may be an international crew, but those were American dollars being spent for the most part.

I know it was our decision to go on with the trip. In some way we were hoping that the Disney we once knew would step up and make an unfortunate situation not only enjoyable, but memorable. But the arrogance that has seeped into the Theme Park has spread like the virus onto the Cruise Line. Instead of being treated as guests, I felt like we were taken for granted. Perhaps the Disney fanatics will read this and question our unhappiness. That’s fine. We are not blaming Disney for the virus. But it is our opinion that greed, the premium Thanksgiving rates, and not the safety of the passengers and crew, prompted them to allow the 11/23 cruise to sail. On one hand they allowed the ship to sail, but then failed to deliver the experience that the reputation of the company and the fare charged would have called for.
 
tgivingcruisers.......

YOU ARE 100% RIGHT........

I was on the 11/30 sailing....I said after the first episode on 11/16 that they would not cncl 11/23 because you guys paid too much $$ friends said I was crazy.... guess not so much...huh???

We can all second guess everyone but is is all about the $$$$.

We can all hope it is not about the $$$...but...sadly I think is is.

Lm
 
No flames here just observations on your post. First, thank you for posting your experiences. I am a die hard Disney fan and I would also be upset at some of the things you mentioned like the smell onboard or rude cast members.

I think the reason the Captain did not shake hands was to limit the spread of the virus...same things with the condiments not being on the table and the mention to limit physical contact with other guests....common sense in my opinion . You want Disney to do the right things then question the steps they were taking to correct them. The CDC gave them clearance to sail...I do not think it was totaly money driven. When the steps they had taken did not work they then cancelled the next cruise.

I think the best course of action would be to write a non emotional, focused letter to DCL and itemize every incident and concern you experienced. Let them know your displeasue. As I said in an earlier post, DCL is not for everyone and it seems that you had the misfortune of not enjoying your cruise. I do understand how you would feel let down by not being welcomed when you boarded or DCL not waiting until everyone was onboard before they held the lifeboat drill.

After reading some of the other posters who also sailed on your sailing it is amazing that people can be on the same ship the same week and come away with very different perceptions of the cruise. I hope you enjoy your next cruise on whatever line you choose. Thanks again for posting.

Oh, did the officials on Grand Cayman not want to give clearance because they were afraid that the passengers would infect people of their island??? How long were you delayed before being able to tender.

MJ
 
We can all second guess everyone but is is all about the $$$$

Just out of curiosity, from a shareholder and business perspective, if it shouldn't be about the money, what should it be about?



tgiving, it certainly does a appear you had a high set of expectations that failed to be met by DCL. Your thanksgiving dinner experience certainly does sound disappointing. Not sure what would have met your expectations, though.

I'm a bit baffled by our "holed up in the Orlando Hyatt" comments. Was that your choice to stay there or did DCL put you there? What is the reference to 5 hours? Did you travel via a DCL bus, or was it another service you used?

It can also be disappointing not be personally greeted when you board the ship. It's certainly not too hard to personally greet and escort 2400 persons to their cabin. I can see how that would set the tone for the rest of the cruise.

I can also see your point about the illness. I know had I travelled on that sailing, knowing that the previous sailing had an issue with illness, I would have preferred the Captain make a blanket announcement upon departing that there was, indeed, a high risk of getting sick on this cruise and that they were pretty much certain the virus was still prominent aboard the ship.

As for the smells. I can relate, having travelled on the Staten Island ferry. You'd think that since the crew did know for certain that there was a pretty good chance that people would get sick on the cruise, they should have planned better by placing CM's outside the cabin doors, ready to rush in a clean and santize the room after every persons visit to the bathroom.
 
dmadman43, good points;)

I'm not going to say much because I haven't cruised yet, but I do agree that DCL did what they thought was best and I can't imagine that any other cruise lines did more. I think these illnesses were not the cruise lines fault, but they are paying for it.
I think castmembers were affected by the virus too, and I'm sure
that could have affected the service somewhat.

I also just want to say that I heard that Early Entry was coming back :D (see the reference in the starting post) The decision makers at Disney don't always please everyone, but who does? I still love Disney and hope that they ones in charge keep on trying to make things magical.

Have you been on the Jungle Cruise ride? Sometimes you get a wonderfully entertaining cm and other times a dud, but I wouldn't stop going :rolleyes:
 
tgiving cruisers,

Thanks for coming back and giving us some specifics about what you did not like about your recent Disney Cruise.

Some of your points would not have affected me at all from enjoying the cruise (no welcome aboard, no free drinks due to delay, no condiments on the tables).

Some of your points I don't think I would have paid as close of attention as you did. This is especially true about the tendors on Grand Cayman because if I remember an earlier post you were unhappy that Disney was go to let those with a Disney excursion off first and you had booked another.

As for not being able to shake the Captains hand or not having some of the activities on Castaway Cay. Yes I would be disappointed in those, but I understand the reason. Someone (was it DisneyDarwin) said the Captain was very apologetic about it.

As for the smells and communication - those would bother me, but what we heard from others on the same cruise didn't feel the same as you. Without being there this is one area I can't judge.

Obviously you feel that Disney isn't for you and your family any more. That's too bad but that is the wonderful thing about living in America - we have many choices available to us. I hope you enjoy your vacations in the future. I hope someday too you decide to come back and give Disney a try.

I still find pixie dust at Disney World and on the Cruises. I even found pixie dust out at Disneyland earlier this year even though I came down with something (which I think I caught on the plane) that have me coughing constantly and running to the bathroom every half hour. Life and vacation is what you make it. Sorry yours couldn't have been more magical for you and your family.
 
Originally posted by tgiving cruisers
When the 11/16 cruise had the virus problem, we did a lot of reading on these boards and felt relatively certain that a company with the reputation of Disney would really make sure that the next cruise would be super. I think we decided not to cash out based on this factor. If anything, our expectations were increased. First mistake.

I think you're right on the money here. You were already basing your expectations on rave reviews and decided to jack those expectations up based on the fact that you felt Disney already had some "making up" to do for you before you even got on board.


Considering that, we were expecting some glitches. Being holed up in the Orlando Airport Hyatt for five hours was certainly a bad way to begin.

Do you mean that Disney got you a room at the Orlando Hyatt instead of making you sit at the port while you waited for them to start embarking? I'm not sure I understand how this is a bad way to begin. Many people (especially west coasters) spend the night before the cruise at the Orlando Hyatt and I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain of mistreatment. I guess I am not understanding.

Then we finally get to the ship; five and half-hours after landing, and as mentioned earlier, not much in the way of a greeting. Wouldn’t you think that the cruise staff would have been instructed to go out of their way to make sure we felt comfortable coming on board after the press the 11/16 cruise (and Holland America) received. How about a free drink for all guests at the sail away party? Does anyone out there know what the term “goodwill” means?

Just curious, but would have a free drink created that much goodwill? I mean, what would it REALLY have taken for you to be happy at that point? You had just had to wait a whole five and a half hours to board while the Disney crew worked thier butts off cleaning the ship so that you could leave just one hour after the normal departure time in spite of news reports for days before saying that the Magic would not sail on time that day because of the cleaning effort. I guess they figured it would create more goodwill to get out of port relatively close to ontime than to get everyone liquored up so that they didn't care what time they left ;).


Apparently he was told not to say anything, but felt compelled to tell us so we would wash up frequently.

Interesting. I never understood why people feel that they should be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes at Disney and everywhere else. Frankly, if I were on that cruise I would have "washed frequently" regardless of anything Disney said to me. That's just common sense. I also would not want to hear a minute by minute update about what was going on with the virus. I go on vacation to forget my troubles, not have new ones thrown in my face every couple of hours. There have been debates on the debate board about when certain information is "too much information" and frankly, if people would practice decent hygiene without being told or warned that if they don't they have a high probability of getting sick, this "epidemic" (and I use that word sarcastically) probably would not have happened.

How about Tuesday morning sitting in the Disney Theatre as the Grand Cayman officials pondered not clearing the ship? Cruise staff member John from Wales deflected questions from those of us waiting to tender to our excursions, but it was clear that the delay was virus related. We were to learn on Saturday that many people were left without excursions due to the delay only to be told, “well at least you’re not being charged.”

Again, I'm not sure what you were expecting besides a full refund on an excursion that you could not go on. It's a shame that things didn't work out exactly the way you planned and it's a shame that a country that doesn't have anywhere NEAR the medical facilities that we have in the United States to deal with this "epidemic" was wary of exposing its people to the virus. Heck, the virus caused an emergency room in Toronto, a major western city, to close. Can you imagine what it would be like if a true epidemic hit a small island with limited medical facilities and living conditions among its people that help spread the virus? How DARE they be concerned and make all of the americans coming to their island (the same ones who need to be given an hourly sick passenger count in order to take the simple precaustion of frequent handwashing) miss their excursions?

Or how about Friday at Castaway? Nothing going on, no parasailing, no banana boats, no Post Office, no local vendors. Why? Because the locals didn’t want to risk getting sick.

Again, Disney does not guarantee that you will be able to dock at ANY port. Ever. Weather during hurricane season can be unpredictable and there seem to be a non-insignificant number of people who never even get to castaway cay on a cruise due to weather. I'm sorry to hear that the locals of a very poor country with medical facilities way below those in the US were to afraid of getting sick to serve you.

Or how about the lovely smells throughout the ship? Anyone ever ride the Staten Island Ferry? I pity the housekeeping staff who had to keep up with the sick passengers whether it be in cabins or in the public areas. More than once we walked around with our noses covered due to the smell.

I pity the housekeeping staff also. I'm really sorry to hear that you could tell that other passengers were ill, but I am not sure what else Disney could have done. Maybe more free drinks?


Anyone out there stop by Guest Services to inquire about upgrading? Again I wasn’t asking for a freebie!! I was told that after sailing I should come back. So, I did at 7PM on Saturday. I was then told that I needed to fill out an upgrade request form and I would get a call from the person in charge of upgrades. Still waiting.

I'm not sure what to make of this. When we tried to upgrade at the port we were told to see a supervisor at the supervisor's window. Our cruise was completely booked and there was nowhere to upgrade into (this was last january when the $99 deal turned january into the high season for cruise travel). Although they definately should have contacted you, I have to wonder if they were busy with people who constantly wanted to know what was going on behind the scenes. What I probably would've done is swing back by guest relations to check on the status of my request. But frankly, by 7pm Saturday night, I would be settled into my cabin and not wanting to move.

In either case, common sense would suggest that if you want an upgraded cabin on a sold out cruise (which is repeatedly given on this thread for the reason that disney didn't cancel the cruise) that you should just book what you want when you book your cruise. I think assuming that you can get ANY kind of upgrade (even one that's paid for) on a full holiday cruise is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Yes, you can sometimes upgrade at the port and save some money doing so then you face the very real chance that nothing will be left to upgrade into.

Anyone find it strange that the Captain didn’t shake hands at his “reception”? How about the in-room memo telling us to limit physical contact with other passengers. Huh?

So which do you want? All of the information or no information? I don't understand how on one hand you were upset that your stateroom host had to warn you to wash your hand (something you should've done anyway) yet when Disney makes an effort to let people know that they are not out of danger, that's doing the wrong thing. Which is it?

How about no condiments on the tables? How about the absolute pathetic celebration of Thanksgiving? You would see more decorating at your child’s kindergarten class. It may be an international crew, but those were American dollars being spent for the most part.

I'm not sure what decorations you would be expecting. I guess if I were a passenger eating at lumieres I'd be upset to see it decorated as if it were a child's kindergarten class. I suspect that that is not the atmosphere that Disney is going for on its ship. I'm sorry you didn't think there were enough crepe paper turkeys or fake leaves around but I guess I just don't quite understand what you were expecting. I guess I would not have expected the restaurants to be decorated at all. I don't think an international crew has anything to do with it. Did they do a traditional turkey dinner?

I know it was our decision to go on with the trip. In some way we were hoping that the Disney we once knew would step up and make an unfortunate situation not only enjoyable, but memorable. But the arrogance that has seeped into the Theme Park has spread like the virus onto the Cruise Line. Instead of being treated as guests, I felt like we were taken for granted. Perhaps the Disney fanatics will read this and question our unhappiness. That’s fine. We are not blaming Disney for the virus. But it is our opinion that greed, the premium Thanksgiving rates, and not the safety of the passengers and crew, prompted them to allow the 11/23 cruise to sail. On one hand they allowed the ship to sail, but then failed to deliver the experience that the reputation of the company and the fare charged would have called for.

Interestingly enough, Disney fanatics seem to be their worst critics. They feel personally let down if they don't get whatever special something they are looking for. I'm sorry to hear that you've "given up" on disney, but I'm more sorry for you than for them. We continue to enjoy disney and yes, we have had the occaisonal disappointment as well (the grumpy CM, not so great service). I've even been known to complain about it. I guess I just don't see how what you've posted adds up in any way to a disappointing cruise (or how it would've been disappointing for me). I guess I'm just used to life NEVER going quite as I plan so if the only things that go wrong out of a week in my life are missing my excursions (and getting a refund for them), not getting an upgrade on a completely full ship and too few paper turkies and brown and red crepe at thanksgiving dinner, that would make it a very good week for me.

Lisa
 
I'm not trying to turn this into a dialogue between you and I, but since you dissected my post point for point, here are a few responses (without sarcasm).

I don't apologize for expecting a lot from Disney. They premium price their cruises based on a brand name. That's fine. We had options to cruise on RCCL, HAL, CCL, etc. We chose Disney based on past experiences in the Theme Parks, these boards, and friends' recommendations. I wasn't looking to criticize the trip before it started but I was looking for more than they were able to deliver.

No they did not get us a room at the Hyatt. They herded 1,000 of us in a ballroom for lunch (not nearly enough seats) and then we scattered throughout the public areas of the hotel until it was time to be taken to the pier.

The free drink comment may not mean much to you since you weren't on the ship. It would have been a symbolic gesture to those passengers who decided to show thier faith in the company and its employees. We were not looking to get liquored up. And besides, how good a job did they do scouring the boat considering that by Monday people were already ill?

Apparently my coments aboyut Cayman and Castaway were lost on you. I understand that getting into a port depends on being "allowed" in by the local cutoms people. I certainly wasn't bashing the Caymanians for delaying us. They had every right and responsibility to their citizens to safeguard against spreading the virus to the island. Same with Castaway. However, with the virun "hanging" over the ship, it became obvious that they weren't able to produce the product we paid for.

I never said I wanted a minute by minute update. They promised, once the outbreak began, a phone update daily. But, they failed to do that after the second day.

The upgrade issue was simple. If none were available, that's fine. But tell me that. It was my understanding based on these boards that the Tgivng cruise was not 100% full. If none were available, why did they make me fill out the form. How bout a ten second call informing me about this? I know I am not entitled to an upgrade. Based on all I read, the Disney cabins were supposed to be bigger than other cruise lines. Not based on what we saw.

Your dissectiion of my post certainly loses credibility with the amount of sarcasm in addition to the fact thay you are critical of my views and you weren't on the ship.

If you do cruise in the future hopefully you won't get sick or even have to worry about it. It certainly takes away from the experience.
 
I think that if Disney had given a free drink there would be many people who would have accused Disney of insulting them with that kind of gesture.
 
I don't get how a free five dollar drink would have made ANY difference to you. I think you would have been mad that they ONLY gave you a free drink.
 
My DH, DD & I had a magical time. I felt well-informed and well-cared for all week -- perhaps because I was not going to worry about other people's illnesses (sorry if that sounds callous, I do feel bad for all who got sick). Were there glitches - sure. I was not happy being so late into GC or to have the banana boats cancelled on CC. But it did not detract at all. Probably the only thing that bugged me was the smell of bleach everywhere! (And btw, contrary to what I've read in other threads, there were no people in "hazmat suits" - there were guys in yellow jumpsuits wearing masks so they would not breathe in the bleach.) Yes, sometimes it smelled yucky in the public areas of the ship. I've experienced that before when people became seasick. It was not necessarily the virus...

I must address the business about the Hyatt and embarkation. By coincidence, we had stayed there the night before. When we arrived at 10 pm, we were given an written update on what was going to happen the next day. When we came down for breakfast at 9:00 am, DCL had HOARDES of people there - from transportation managers, to check-in staff - everyone was polite, responsive and kind. DCL took over every available ballroom in the hotel. There was free food and drinks. They brought in the characters - lots of them. There was a steel drum band. They showed movies. It was crowded and not ideal, but in my mind, they made the best of the situation.

We got on the ship at around 3:30. There were plenty of people around to greet us. It was very festive. They did the drill at 4:30, and yes, there were people missing. My room neighbor was not there; she told me that they were contacted later to ensure they knew what to do in case of emergency. I believe that would satisfy martime regulations. The sail away party was a blast. No free drinks, and yeah, maybe that would have been a good idea, but then again, it didn't matter at all.

Would my trip have been better had there not been this stupid virus? Of course. But was my trip bad because of it? Absolutely not.
 

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