Multiple Fastpasses??

[Sleeping Becca]

How many people have been refused using a late fastpass? I can count on one hand, actual DISers that have posted that they were refused.

I plan to spend my morning collecting FPs and use them in the evening.

DL FPs are no different than WDW FPs, the difference is that most DL guests are locals and visit more frequently and therefore know about using late FP. Most WDW guests are not frequent guests and don't know about using late FP. Heck many many many WDW guests don't even know that FP is free.

My guess:

80% of guests use FP in the window
10% of guests use them late
10% of guests don't use them at all

So IMHO the use of late FP has no affect at all

At DL where folks use late FP much more frequently, there was no noticable affect on the length of the FP line, the lines were the same whether I used my FP in the window or late.

Also castmembers past and present have said over and over again that the use of late FP is OK.

 

[imthatgirl]

Who considers this a no no?

On our last trip we uses our Fastpasses past the last return time pretty much everytime. How did I know that they would be accepted? I found out here on the DIS. ROBO and Knox, The Canadian Guy (Theme Parks Planning Moderator) laid it out plain as day in some other threads about this subject and I have copied them here for you. Also, when we went to WDW last September I specifically asked a CM working Space Mountain about using Fastpasses late and he said it was fine to use them late, never early, but they would always be accepted late, until closing at that park. So, Knox the Theme Parks Moderater has stated that it's Disney policy to accept late fastpass, Len Testa, who writes The Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World states that it's Disney policy to accept late fastpasses and an actual Disney employee told me it was policy to accept late fastpasses. So, at this point I have no reason to believe that I'm comitting some kind of "no no" offense. Here's a quote from Knox, from another fastpass thread:

(Quote)I read a very interesting internet article musing on the Fastpass system that analyzed how it works from someone with a background in economics and that whole "supply-demand" thing... he actually looked at this all from an scientific perspective... He used big words and talked about the 'supply-curve' and such. Of course I can't FIND it now that I need it.

In the article, he indicated that something like fifty percent of all fastpasses were used within their listed time window. Thirty percent were used "late" and twenty percent were never used at all. If what's being reported here is true, that I suspect those percentages might have shifted.

He further explained that using a Fastpass late really wouldn't affect the system because if you didn't use your FP during the alloted 1 hour window, then that meant that at least one rider from the standby or fastpass line (or depending on the size of your party - BOTH) got to ride "sooner" than they would have, had you been there to take your spot. And then everyone in line BEHIND them got to ride sooner too.

It's a zero sum game. It's worth noting that they don't send around an empty ride vehicle just because you didn't show up.(You're not royalty you know.. only Cinderella gets that treatment.)

So.. regardless if you show up or not, the ride still runs at full capacity.

Therefore.... for example, if your family of five wasn't there between 11:05am and 12:05pm .. then there are five people who FOR SURE got to ride sooner than you did.. and an untold number of people who were behind them in line who ALSO got to ride sooner than they would have otherwise... up til the moment you arrive to redeem your FP.

Another way to think of it is this .. Think of the queues like a clock... If you aren't there to fill your spot, the clock starts running fast. We don't perceive it as running fast because we don't see the numbers to tell us that "X" number of FP holders SHOULD have redeemed their rides by now but haven't. When a FP is used late, the clock starts to correct itself.

To the untrained eye standing impatiently in the stand-by line -- it might appear that those darned late-arriving FP users have delayed their riding... when in reality the standby folks would have likely ended up on the ride at the exact same time had the people used their FP's within the alloted window -- they just would have PERCEIVED it differently.

When you followed the math to its logical conclusion -- the Fastpass system doesn't really break down unless every FP holder on a given day wants to use their FP's at the exact same 15 minute window at the exact same attraction.

Perhaps that has been happening around meal times, parades and park closings?

Disney had made no secret of their liberal policy on return times.. so much much so that I think that the change to a firm return time policy might be very problematic for them in the near term.

Anyway you look at it.. it's certainly not worth name calling and such. Let's just take this opportunity to remind ALL posters to treat each other with respect and courtesy. Thanks.

Knox (End Quote)

first off, i didnt read your reply, it was too long and i just dont care that much. but hoarding fastpasses(which remember is what this post is about) is considred a no-no. the op asked of it was "rude", not the word i would have used but yes it is, it defeats the purpose of having a return window, had they wanted you come back when it was conveinent for you they wouldnt put times on them, just like at disney land.

 

[Sleeping Becca]

If DISers are refused use of a late FP, believe me they would be posting.

 

[Sleeping Becca]

Disneyland FPs are exactly the same as WDW. There is a clealy printed return window on the passes.

 

[imthatgirl]

I think this is still totally not true. Rare exceptions, yes. A crackdown, no. We just used EVERY FP we had hours and hours late (like 6-9 hours late) in June and no one gave us a second glance. This includes all the most popular rides - Toy Story Mania, Soarin. It was no different last month than on the 8 or 9 trips I've taken since they started FPs.

Of course, you cannot use them even 1 minute early - they'll make you wait, but that's always been the case.

it was in a florida(sentinal i think) paper yesterday. the article was mostly about the sale of fastpasses on ebay. but it was quite interesting in how they did say they will be getting much tougher with the uses of fastpasses because of it. disney can not stop the sale of them, because it isnt illegal, but they say they can stop the use of them.

 

[glitterkittyy]

How is it a no-no if the CMs tell you to come back anytime after the window opens? And when they are trained, they tell the CMs to never let anyone in early but don't worry about the return time. Doesn't sound like it's a no-no or rude to me. If you want to use your FPs within the one-hour time limit, go for it. But I'll continue using them as WDW allows and even encourages....any time after the window opens.

 

[glitterkittyy]

it was in a florida(sentinal i think) paper yesterday. the article was mostly about the sale of fastpasses on ebay. but it was quite interesting in how they did say they will be getting much tougher with the uses of fastpasses because of it. disney can not stop the sale of them, because it isnt illegal, but they say they can stop the use of them.

That article was about stopping the use of fastpasses that were issued days or months ago. It didn't address anything about using FPs within the window and/or later in the same day. WDW is not cracking down on using FPs outside of the window. They just want you to use them after the window opens on the same day of issue.

 

[Sleeping Becca]

Here is a thread with a picture of a FP from DL for California Screamin.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1186052

 

[PrincessTiffany]

first off, i didnt read your reply, it was too long and i just dont care that much. but hoarding fastpasses(which remember is what this post is about) is considred a no-no. the op asked of it was "rude", not the word i would have used but yes it is, it defeats the purpose of having a return window, had they wanted you come back when it was conveinent for you they wouldnt put times on them, just like at disney land.

Are you kidding me? You answer a post with it's a "no no" and "it's rude" and then I post an actual reason why it is NOT a "no no" or "rude," but actual Disney policy to accept late fastpasses, but it's just too beneath you to read my response? Why on earth would you post on a DISCUSSION forum if you can't be bothered by reading another posters responses or opinions? I believe that would be considered rude.

 

[imthatgirl]

How is it a no-no if the CMs tell you to come back anytime after the window opens? And when they are trained, they tell the CMs to never let anyone in early but don't worry about the return time. Doesn't sound like it's a no-no or rude to me. If you want to use your FPs within the one-hour time limit, go for it. But I'll continue using them as WDW allows and even encourages....any time after the window opens.

no they do not encourage "hoarding" fastpasses. to use one outside of the window, whatever, but to stock pile them is certainly not their intent of the program.

you can do as you wish...but arent you just wasting your time in the morning gathering fastpasses? when you could have just used them while you were already there?

 

[imthatgirl]

Are you kidding me? You answer a post with it's a "no no" and "it's rude" and then I post an actual reason why it is NOT a "no no" or "rude," but actual Disney policy to accept late fastpasses, but it's just too beneath you to read my response? Why on earth would you post on a DISCUSSION forum if you can't be bothered by reading another posters responses or opinions? I believe that would be considered rude.

i dont read most of what you write on most posts, you can consider that rude if youd like...i read most everyone elses.

 

[BAST]

Let my conscience dictate how I use my fastpass? If I'm having to use my conscience to dictate how I use my fastpasses then that would mean that I would be in some way having a moral or legal conflict of some kind. Using fastpass late is neither a moral or legal conflict - it is Disney policy that they be accepted late. Therefore I use my common sense to tell me when to use my fastpasses.

Could not be said better. WE have always gotten FP's early in the morning for the most popular rides to allow us to ride for a second or third time later on that day (usually, well past the suggested window). We have NEVER had any problems with a CM.

I look forward to doing that again in August - I view it has one major perk for arriving at rope drop.

 

[glitterkittyy]

no they do not encourage "hoarding" fastpasses. to use one outside of the window, whatever, but to stock pile them is certainly not their intent of the program.

you can do as you wish...but arent you just wasting your time in the morning gathering fastpasses? when you could have just used them while you were already there?

They do encourage it. They tell you to use them whenever. That's encouraging it.

And no, I don't waste my time gathering fastpasses at all. I have a very good method (like many DISers) of grabbing a FP while people are sleeping or eating breakfast, riding the ride, moving on, grabbing more FPs, seeing a show, moving on. You can have a very full morning and early afternoon and an entire stockpile of FPs to use in the evening. Quite easy...and smart...way to tour. Seriously, once you get the hang of it, it makes it so much easier. C'mon try it, you'll like it!!

 

[PrincessTiffany]

i dont read most of what you write on most posts, you can consider that rude if youd like...i read most everyone elses.

You have been on this board for no more than 10 days and you know me well enough to not read my posts? What exactly have I done to personally offend you? I don't even recall coming across you on the boards before?

 

[imthatgirl]

They do encourage it. They tell you to use them whenever. That's encouraging it.

And no, I don't waste my time gathering fastpasses at all. I have a very good method (like many DISers) of grabbing a FP while people are sleeping or eating breakfast, riding the ride, moving on, grabbing more FPs, seeing a show, moving on. You can have a very full morning and early afternoon and an entire stockpile of FPs to use in the evening. Quite easy...and smart...way to tour. Seriously, once you get the hang of it, it makes it so much easier. C'mon try it, you'll like it!!

we arent early morning people, its vacation, i sleep in. and we dont back track. ive been to disney probably 50 times, i dont care too much if i miss something, but strangely enough ive never missed anything.
im more of an anti planner, id rather just leasurely move around the parks.

 

[glitterkittyy]

we arent early morning people, its vacation, i sleep in. and we dont back track. ive been to disney probably 50 times, i dont care too much if i miss something, but strangely enough ive never missed anything.
im more of an anti planner, id rather just leasurely move around the parks.

I'm local so I can go whenever I like so I'm like that too as far as planning goes. But I always get there at rope drop because I can get so much done in the first couple of hours. It's amazing how much you can do. I'm not on vacation, though...it's usually just a Saturday so sleep in isn't required. lol But seriously collecting FPs for later use takes maybe an extra 10-15 minutes of my day. I just grab them as I come across something I'd like to do later.

I am a backtracker though....I like to visit the lands in the a.m. and again in the p.m. I think they have different feels.

 

[Sleeping Becca]

Quite honestly up until a few years ago, I felt exactly the same way as some of you regarding the use of late FP. I was a strictly "in the window" girl. I felt that Disney gave me a time to come back that is when I should come back. I also felt that using outside of the window was cheating.

After reading several threads written by guests that visit MUCH more than I do and CMs who actually work the FP return line. I am now a firm believer in late FP. On my last visit, I "hoarded" FP's and now I will never go back to the window. I have never been given a second look when using a late FP. (I still will do Soarin and TSM in the window, because I really don't want to risk it, even though so few have been denied)

 

[imthatgirl]

You have been on this board for no more than 10 days and you know me well enough to not read my posts? What exactly have I done to personally offend you? I don't even recall coming across you on the boards before?

me, personally, nothing. ive actually been here for years reading posts. it wasnt until this year that i actually ahd a question and wanted to join. so, yeah ive been seeing you for a long time.
dont take it personal, i dont even know you, i only know what you write on the boards.

 

[darlak]

Let my conscience dictate how I use my fastpass? If I'm having to use my conscience to dictate how I use my fastpasses then that would mean that I would be in some way having a moral or legal conflict of some kind. Using fastpass late is neither a moral or legal conflict - it is Disney policy that they be accepted late. Therefore I use my common sense to tell me when to use my fastpasses.

Disney's FASTPASS® Service
Take advantage of Disney's FASTPASS® service. You can enjoy the rest of the park while FASTPASS® saves your place in line.

To use Disney's FASTPASS® service:

Look for the FASTPASS® distribution area near the entrance of an attraction


Check the FASTPASS® “Return Time” display which gives you a span of time during which you can explore the Park before returning to board the attraction.


If the Return Time is sufficient for your plans, just insert your Walt Disney World® Resort admission ticket, readmission ticket or Annual Passport into the machine.


A FASTPASS® ticket will emerge with your Return Time printed on it. Now you're free to go and enjoy the rest of the Park.


Go back to the FASTPASS® Return queue when your return time rolls around, show your FASTPASS® ticket to Cast Member at the entrance, and enjoy the attraction with a minimal wait.

This is WDW policy on FastPasses as quoted from their own website. Notice that is says "If the Return Time is sufficient for your plans".

I will continue to follow that policy. As I said, let your conscience dictate how you use your fastpasses.

I'm going to enjoy my vacation this way and I truly hope that your's is magical as well.

 

[imthatgirl]

Quite honestly up until a few years ago, I felt exactly the same way as some of you regarding the use of late FP. I was a strictly "in the window" girl. I felt that Disney gave me a time to come back that is when I should come back. I also felt that using outside of the window was cheating.

After reading several threads written by guests that visit MUCH more than I do and CMs who actually work the FP return line. I am now a firm believer in late FP. On my last visit, I "hoarded" FP's and now I will never go back to the window. I have never been given a second look when using a late FP. (I still will do Soarin and TSM in the window, because I really don't want to risk it, even though so few have been denied)

no, i dont always stick inside the windows. we sometimes have adrs or we see a show, so you arent able to. but no, i would never purposely hoard them and then come back in the evening. i guess i just dotn see the point. but like i said im more of a laid back tourer. i dont do the rush here to do this and rush here to do that.