Multiple DAS questions for end of October trip

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Hello all! I am Sarah she/her 32 and am planning on visiting Disney Oct 23-30th.
I am trying to figure out my mobility needs/DAS needs.

Let me start by explaining that I have two children who are 8 and 3 on the autism spectrum and I myself have a host of health conditions. Both will meltdown and both have toilet issues and need bathroom access. On top of that we have other negative behaviors and disassociation to avoid. Add to that me who had autism adhd connective joint disorder bladder disorder etc.

I believe we all three qualify for the DAS. Will they give all of us each a das or just a family one?

Second: I need to probably rent a scooter. I've never used one and done need one in day to day life but the large amount of walking required means it's necessary. How is the scooter experience at disney? Any tips and tricks? Do you feel like people stare?
 
WDW just announced new changes to DAS when their new Genie Service replaces Fastpass.
Disney NEW DAS associated with Disney Genie

There is no information on exactly when it will roll out - my guess is soon, because they will want the Disney Genie out before WDW’s 50th anniversary celebration starting October 1.
DAS is for a specific person, not a family. You will need to be able to explain what makes waiting in the line difficult for that person when registering for DAS. In cases where more than one person might qualify for DAS, we don’t how they will handle it in the new program. In the past, many people chose to request DAS for the person with the most severe needs or for the person who would ride the most since the person registered for DAS needs to ride any attraction you get a DAS Return time for. The rest of your group would be linked to the DAS.
If DAS is issued to more than one person in the group right now, the rest of your party are linked to each DAS, but no one can have more than one active DAS Return Time. That will likely continue.
 

As SueMN said, not knowing how the new system will work, for multiple DAS, but IF it works like the existing system whether or not all three of you need to get a DAS will depend on whether or not you're traveling with another adult/older child or alone with the two younger kids. If it's just you and the kids, you'll probably only need a single DAS, since the three year old can't ride alone, and I'm guessing the eight year old wouldn't ride alone. In that case, you'll all be to together all the time for rides, so you only really need one.

If there are other adults, and you plan to split up on some rides, you would want more than one.
 
I’m really confused. What is the Advantage of using Advance DAS?
If the system remains the same, except you go online and find out your wait time/ return time, why do you need to do this in advance? Are they putting the DAS people in with the lightning pass times and if so are they expecting them to sell out? I’m just trying to understand this 30 day advance booking.
 
I’m really confused. What is the Advantage of using Advance DAS?
By registering in advance, you will be eligible to pre-schedule 2 return times per day -- think of that like the FP+ that could be booked 30-60 days out. Plus the regular DAS return times.

If only registering onsite, no extras. Just regu.ar DAS return times.
 
By registering in advance, you will be eligible to pre-schedule 2 return times per day -- think of that like the FP+ that could be booked 30-60 days out. Plus the regular DAS return times.

If only registering onsite, no extras. Just regu.ar DAS return times.
But I don’t have to use those, correct? I hate planning my day out and it’s very hard to do since my stroke, I get way more tired easily and hot so I need to take more breaks.
 
But I don’t have to use those, correct? I hate planning my day out and it’s very hard to do since my stroke, I get way more tired easily and hot so I need to take more breaks.
Definitely not required, no. If you just like to take your time with an "unscheduled" or loosely scheduled day, you still have access to traditional DAS.
 
But I don’t have to use those, correct? I hate planning my day out and it’s very hard to do since my stroke, I get way more tired easily and hot so I need to take more breaks.
No, you don’t have to use those DAS Advance selections.
For those, you choose a time and there is a 1 hour window according to what is on the website. If you make them and don’t use them, they will just expire.

It‘s hard for us to plan too. When Fastpasses were in effect, we always made our 3, but often couldn’t use them and they expired. We consider it a good day, if we do 4 attractions.
 
One thing about scooters (or wheelchairs) is that it is one butt per device. It is Disney policy that you cannot have someone in your lap while operating a ecv or chair.

You can rent by the day in any of the major parks and at Disney Springs or you can rent from an offsite vendor and have it for use at your hotel as well.
 
As fair as the scooter goes I am sure @mamabunny will be on here soon to give her details on how to ECV at Disney

Well... we know who to blame for what's about to happen next! LOL

(because all of the regulars here *know* what is coming next...) It's time for MamaBunny's patent pending version of:

How To ECV at Disney World ™

Yep, It's time to talk about using ECVs at WDW; this is a (hopefully) helpful guide for newbies. 🙂

Mostly it's all about the buses (and boats, and Monorail and Skyliners too, for that matter.)

But first things first - Repeat after me - Every night, I will plug in my ECV, and charge it completely overnight in my hotel room.

Do that, and you should not have to worry about your battery at all the next day. Fail to do that, and you will have a miserable day, constantly searching for outlets (many are covered, or are inaccessible without tools) to try and charge your scooter. Every night, charge it all night, until it is fully charged.

There's plenty of room in every Disney Resort hotel room to charge *2* scooters - If you need furniture moved or removed to accommodate the ECV, pick up your room phone, and use the button labeled "Housekeeping". The person answering the phone will help set up either the removal or placement of furniture for you.

When it comes to Resort hotel room doors, ask someone in your travel party if they can hold the Resort Hotel room door open while the you move the ECV through. A great door stop (I personally recommend this one from Amazon) is also a very helpful tool! While out and about at WDW, look for the handicapped door buttons on many doors (at lobby entrances, shops, dining, etc.) for the automatic openers. Some are round, others are square, most all of them are a silver metal, but they all have the HA ♿ symbol on the button itself, and will be located very near the door.

One more note: When we talk about using the "brakes" on an ECV, what we really mean is letting go of the throttle. The vast majority of ECVs in the US don't have an actual braking system (like a car or truck has) and rely strictly on the driver of the ECV to be aware, and to let go of the throttle when they need to stop. Additionally, most ECVs that you will encounter have a speed control that goes from slowest to fastest, with a small icon of a turtle for slowest, and a rabbit for fastest. We often talk about "turtle speed" here, and that means turning your speed control all the way down to the slowest setting for safety.

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Let's get on the bus!

Sometimes people worry that other Guests are watching them when they use the ramp to drive their device into/out of the bus. I've been using a personal mobility device for *years* at WDW now, and I know that people who appear to be staring at you when you are loading/unloading from the bus really are often just watching out of curiosity.

Think about it like this: The bus pulls up, and everyone gets off. BUT before anyone can get on, the driver closes the front doors, and the back doors, and then walks to the back of the bus. The back doors open again - but only *after* the bus has "kneeled" (with a great huge wheezy gasp) and then barfed out a ramp with all kinds of beeping as well!

It's a wonder that Disney hasn't decided to sell tickets for the spectacular that is the bus deploying/retracting the ramp!

So, often the folks who may (to us) appear to be staring at us, are actually WDW newbies who are startled by all of the commotion. But it's the *bus* they are watching - not the scooter driver. 🙂

And some of them are just flat out exhausted, and staring off into space, unaware that they are looking at anything at all!

So, ignore them - and at the Resort Hotel, make sure you are parked in the white painted rectangle HA symbol ♿ at the bus stop (unless another guest beat you to it) so that the driver sees you, and knows you are waiting to ride. As the bus approaches, I usually try to wave and smile to let the driver know I will be riding their bus, or shake my head "no" so that they know I am waiting for a different bus. Some Disney Resorts have queues or rope lines set up for the buses; others just kind of form loose lines. Often in the mornings, there will be a CM at the main Resort bus stops; just as at the Parks, take your guidance from them. (Special note for Resorts with more than 1 bus stop: Try to make your way to the *first* stop at the Resort; as the bus travels through the Resort to pick up other Guests, the chances increase exponentially that there will not be a space for your ECV when the bus arrives, leading to longer wait times.)

Once the bus stops, and everyone is off, the driver will typically close the doors, kneel the bus, and then open the back doors and flip out the ramp. Wait for the driver to motion you on, and then up the ramp you will go.

When the driver says that it's time to board the bus, just let them know that you are a newbie, and will appreciate all the help and guidance that they can give you. Remember - they are an *expert* at getting folks on and off the bus, so just take a deep breath, and listen to their instructions, and everything will be fine! Disney bus drivers help *thousands* of people load and unload ECVs, so you are not a surprise to them in any way!

When you are at the base of the ramp, try to go right up the center. At the top of the ramp you will typically have to turn a bit to the right. GO SLOWLY, especially until you are used to the ECV. (This is a moment where "turtle speed" is your new best friend!) Even experienced users take this carefully - the last thing you want is to bump into the driver, or hit the side of the doorway going in. The drivers will give you instructions and will help as much as they can, but *technically* it is up to you (or a member of your party) to actually get the ECV up into (or back out of) the bus. You will hear stories about drivers that "park the ECV for you", but that is considered "pixie dust" and is not expected behavior.

Once you are parked, you can take a seat on the bus, if you want to. The bus driver will "tie down" the ECV, by clipping on the tensioned belts down at the wheel level, front and back. If you decide to sit on the ECV during transit, the driver will also offer you a seat belt to help hold you securely in place as the bus moves through traffic.

With buses, you will typically board first, and disembark last. Ignore anyone who says anything about how "it must be nice to get on the bus first"; if you really feel the need to reply, just give them your biggest smile, and a big 'ol southern "Oh, bless your heart!". That's all they deserve. 😉

If you are just too worried about driving on and off the bus, someone who is with you can do that for you. Again, they just have to follow the bus driver's instructions. You can walk up or down the ramp after the driver tells you it is safe to do so.

While you are boarding the bus, the rest of your group will wait outside the bus, next to the ramp. Once the ECV is parked on the bus, the driver will indicate to your party when they can walk up the ramp to join you, and they should be able to sit near/next to you.

When it's time to disembark from the bus, the rest of your party can get off the bus with all of the other passengers, and they will wait for you outside the bus (or wherever you have agreed upon). Again, the driver will assist you in getting the ECV positioned to drive down the ramp, and out of the bus; listen to their instructions, and you should be fine. 🙂 When driving off the bus, the most important thing is to make sure that you don't turn your front wheels (or the "tiller" - the steering mechanism) until AFTER your rear wheels are completely on the ground, and you are completely clear of the ramp. You don't want the rear wheels to catch the edge of the ramp if you turn too early, and tip you over!

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As far as boats go, *most* boats at WDW are quite accessible; the notable exceptions are some of the small launches that serve Poly/GF to MK and back, and a small launch that runs every other trip on the WL/MK route. At WL, the bigger boats historically don't use a ramp there, and you just have to hope that the water level (and number of people on the boat) work in your favor! (Makes it kind of exciting LOL!) We have had a CM instruct us to wait while more people board/disembark to lower the boat, and then when the doorway is at the optimum height to the dock, they wave us on. All other boats will have a portable ramp that a CM (Cast Member) will place for you, including the Sassagoula fleet (Currently not in service) that serves parts of Saratoga & The Treehouses/OKW/POR & POFQ, and the Disney Springs Water Taxis (which are the same type of boat.) The Friendships that ply the waters between Hollywood Studios and the International Gateway at EPCOT use the exact same ramp as well. The ramps are *noisy* when driving on and off, but quite safe, I promise! The main thing to watch for here is using "turtle speed" coming *off* the boat - if there is no fencing around the dock, you don't want to make a BIG "splash" in more ways than one!

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The Monorails use the same portable ramp for loading/unloading as the boats use, and the worst part is some of the pedestrian ramps going *up* to the Monorail stations may really tax the battery on the ECV. A CM will place the portable ramp into the Monorail for you - just follow their instructions. Most of the time, you will have to back off down the ramp at the next station. Remember to keep your wheels straight, have someone behind you giving you clear verbal cues, (CMs are used to doing this, and will be glad to help you) and take your time for safety.

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The Skyliners are VERY accessible, and the gondola cabins are a direct drive on, no ramp needed. CMs will "chock" the ECV wheels to prevent it from rolling across the cabin while in flight. The user simply rolls straight in and sits between the benches. Follow the signs and CM directions at each Skyliner station to go to the HA loading area - they fully stop the gondolas to load there, and you can take all the time you need for both loading and unloading. The exception is Riviera - they cannot stop the Skyliner there, and so loading/unloading is only done while moving. There is not a pull-off loading/unloading area at Riviera that other Skyliner stations have, but the Skyliner cars slow to a crawl while going through the Riviera station - so if you feel like you can drive on board, or back off the Skyliner while it is moving, Riviera is no problem.

Only 1 ECV (or personal mobility device of any kind) per Skyliner Cabin, so be prepared to split up here if you have a larger party, or more than one mobility device in your group; just make plans for where everyone will meet!

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In general: Whenever loading/unloading from Disney transportation of any kind, use the *slowest* possible speed on the throttle control, and listen to the CMs who are there for your safety. They are all experienced in helping Guests with their mobility devices.

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Once you are in the Parks, don't worry if y'all park the ECV, and you come out of a ride, attraction or meal to find it "missing". This is probably the the most startling thing that will happen during your trip!

Cast Members routinely have to shift around scooters and strollers to keep walkways clear, and to fill in blank spots. Because there are so many similar ECVs (especially rental ECVs) it can be easy for it to become "lost" in a small sea of similar looking units. So, one of the things we recommend you do is tie a brightly colored length of ribbon, or even a brightly colored cotton bandana somewhere on the scooter. You can even pop a favorite Disney T-shirt over the back of the seat! That way, you ask the CM who is moving scooters and strollers around if they have seen the scooter with the bright green and pink striped ribbons on the basket - instead of "the black one" or "the one with a captain's chair".

In all the years I have been hanging around here, we have had *one* scooter that was literally taken by accident because it was identical to the scooter that person had rented. (for rentals, the keys are all the same so the rental company doesn't have to keep track of one particular set of keys - they can hand over any key for any scooter). It all got sorted in the end, and everything was OK. But seriously, at WDW, in the Parks, you don't have to worry.

Nowadays, most vendors will put a "license plate" with your last name in a plastic cover that is usually on the back of the ECV seat, or the front of the basket, but those all start to look the same after a long day, so... ribbons, bandanas and/or t-shirts!

And always always always take the key if you leave the scooter anywhere. Cast Members know how to disengage the brake that keeps the ECV from rolling when parked, to move it if need be.

It should go without saying that you never leave anything in the basket, or on the scooter that you want to keep, otherwise, it could "grow legs" and disappear...

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So that you can have the best trip possible, here's a few more tips:

- Plan ahead if you are flying. Remember that long lines at TSA - and long concourses inside terminals - can be problematic. You may want to consider bringing along a folding rollator or a wheelchair that someone in your party could push, or arranging for an airport porter service if you will need it. Domestic airlines fly mobility devices for free, and the airline will be happy to help you with it at the gate; just allow a bit more time; just like at Disney you will usually be first one, but last off as you wait for your device to come up from the gate-check hold.

- If flying in to Orlando, be sure to let Disney's Magical Express know if you will need to use the lift to get in and out of the bus that goes to and from the airport. (you must be seated on/in a wheelchair or ECV to use the lift). Remember that you now have to stop and collect your own luggage before proceeding to the Magical Express.

- You can always practice your ECV driving and parking skills at Wal-Mart, Target, Lowe's, the grocery store, etc. and it can help. It's a great way to practice for the inevitable moment when someone *will* walk right out in front of you while you are driving at WDW! (Pandemic disclaimer: Please follow all local & store requirements regarding masks). These kind of shopping cart/ECV hybrids tend to move very slowly, like the Disney Parks rental units. Most "outside" rental vendors in Orlando rent standard scooters that anyone can buy, and that have a vastly better (and faster) speed control system.

- Grab a towel from the hotel to cover the seat bottom - black vinyl or fabric can get very hot in the Florida sun! Some models have seat backs that fold down to help protect the seat bottom, but a simple bath towel works as well. Some folks cover their rental seats with a Disney shirt or beach towel for fun!

- If you are worried about rain, most vendors provide a clear plastic shower cap to cover the controls; you can throw a poncho over the seat (especially when you are not riding) to help keep it dry. I often ride with the front of the poncho OVER the tiller/controls, and the back of the poncho OVER my seat back to help keep everything as dry as possible! Looks weird, but who cares? You're at Disney World! Yay!

- WDW has a rule - for everyone's safety - that only you ride the ECV. You will undoubtedly see people holding children on their laps while driving their scooters, but it's very dangerous, and I hope you will agree that safety comes first. One ECV, one rider. One seat, one butt.

- Don't allow the scooter to become your group's personal pack mule. It's a medical mobility device, meant to carry a person, not everyone's bags, coats and "stuff". A lot of people see the basket on the front, and start loading it up! For the comfort and safety of the rider, try to make sure that they are not overburdened. This is especially true at bag check - ECVs still have to go through security lines, and the person on the ECV is responsible for everything on the ECV, or in it's basket/compartment/bag at security.

- Remember to stay sharp and focused while driving the ECV - people at WDW tend to be doing everything but paying attention to others when they are walking, and many of us here have had folks run right into us, or walk right in front of us as we are moving!

Bipeds don't realize that many scooters can't just stop on a dime; some of them "coast" a tiny bit before coming to a complete stop, even if the driver is fast on letting go of the throttle. To help keep everyone safe and whole, I try to make eye contact, smile politely, and offer an cheerful "Excuse me!" when needed. Little kiddos are also prone to running out in front of mobility devices because they are blissfully unaware of the laws of physics.

Personally, I have my family create a "bubble" around me to help with this issue. Some walk just ahead of me, and someone will typically (when possible) walk on my left side. I try to stay to the right side of walkways, "streets" and sidewalks and that means I still have to watch for people popping out on the right side, but hopefully helps cover the left.

- Ideally take some time to practice a bit with your rental (at the Resort is a great spot for this) prior to going in to the parks. Get used to how it handles, turns, stops and starts. Every ECV is a bit different (just like any other vehicle). I have 2 personal ECVs, identical models and they each have their own "personality" (and name. Because I'm weird like that LOL). Everyone is eager to get to the theme parks, but 15 minutes of practice (going through the shops, the Quick Service, dealing with different types of surfaces, doors, ramps and obstacles) will make you feel much more confident, and more "in-tune" with your rental.

- A few miscellaneous driving tips: anytime at WDW (or anytime using an ECV for that matter) be aware of ramps, hills and slopes. Going up, you may want to lean forward slightly to help shift your center of gravity towards the front of the ECV. Take your time on steep slopes, hills or ramps, and if possible, approach them at a slight angle at the base.

Coming down, be very aware of your speed (turtle speed is recommended for best control), and make sure you can brake effectively. This is a time for two hands on the wheel!

When crossing the train tracks embedded in Main Street at MK, be sure to cross at an angle. Otherwise, you risk the wheel(s) getting caught, and you could find yourself dumped rather unceremoniously onto Main Street. Everyone wants to have an unforgettable trip - just for the right reasons!

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Sorry this was so long, but I hope it helps answers any questions y'all may have!

Let us know if you have any more questions about ECV use at WDW!

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*Feel free to share with any interested members of your travel party!
 
Second: I need to probably rent a scooter. I've never used one and done need one in day to day life but the large amount of walking required means it's necessary. How is the scooter experience at disney? Any tips and tricks? Do you feel like people stare?

Just to weigh in on the scooter part that you should look at renting a scooter from an off-site vendor especially if you are staying on property. The off-site vendor scooters are much nicer than the ones rented out by Disney in the parks and it is usually cheaper. Scooterbug is the only company that can leave a scooter with bell services for you to pick up and you can drop off at the bell services when you depart. My personal favorite company is Gold Mobility which will arrange a time to meet you for both pickup/dropoff and they are very reliable, punctual, and have the nicest equipment for the lowest price I think. Other off-site companies are comparable as well.

I'm not sure if you're traveling with another adult but I'm not sure how a person would handle a 3 year old while driving a scooter (my kids were much older before I needed to rent a scooter). You can't ride them with you in your lap per Disney policy and a 3 year old would likely get tired from walking. Something to think about if you don't have another adult coming with you on the trip.
 
On questions/concerns other than scooters:

The DAS does not apply to Disney transportation, restaurants, or restrooms. If you are using a scooter or wheelchair on a Disney bus, you will be directed where to wait at a theme park by a Cast Member. There is usually a blue box.

Strollers must be collapsed on Disney busses, unless it is really, and designed as, a wheelchair.

Lines for restrooms, including and perhaps especially family restrooms, can be exceeding long, so please plan accordingly.

Wrangling a food tray and a scooter at the same time can be challenging. A CM may be available to help carry your tray.
 
On questions/concerns other than scooters:

The DAS does not apply to Disney transportation, restaurants, or restrooms. If you are using a scooter or wheelchair on a Disney bus, you will be directed where to wait at a theme park by a Cast Member. There is usually a blue box.

Strollers must be collapsed on Disney busses, unless it is really, and designed as, a wheelchair.

Lines for restrooms, including and perhaps especially family restrooms, can be exceeding long, so please plan accordingly.

Wrangling a food tray and a scooter at the same time can be challenging. A CM may be available to help carry your tray.

I need to add all of that to my "How to ECV" notes! Good info to pass along! 🙂
 
By registering in advance, you will be eligible to pre-schedule 2 return times per day -- think of that like the FP+ that could be booked 30-60 days out. Plus the regular DAS return times.

If only registering onsite, no extras. Just regu.ar DAS return times.
It also saves you time that you won't have to spend getting DAS set up when you get there.
 
If I can stand for a short amount of time, do you think I need a DAS?
How do you defined "a short amount of time?" That is somewhat subjective -- 20 minutes? 30 minutes? 45 minutes? You can look at MDE for attraction wait times, but depending on when you plan to visit I would expect many to be 45 minutes or more.

However, whether a DAS would best help may depend on why you can only wait a short time. That's why you should be prepared to explain your needs, explain what it is about waiting in a standard queue environment that is challenging for you.
 












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