MS's confirmed no more Stormalong Bay hopping

[chris1gill]

Hmm, I think I see what Ehagerty sees... some of the thread is nasty IMHO, and it's too bad the entire thread couldn't be healthy discussion. I think insulting people due to their dissappointment over SAB is detrimental & comments that are insulting. Most people know that PH'ing wasn't a guarantee, but geesh give people a little time to relax before you go around insulting them.

Originally posted by disnefile
HBC,

you may think people are being nasty but it is just opinion. We are all entitled to one. I consider this a healthy discussion as most of us do.

If you bought to save money on water parks you did for a while. However, Disney does not have to allow this perk to continue. It was explained to most of us when we purchased. Were you mislead? If so, that is a problem of your sales person. However, if you made your purchase based on what you thought was a permanent situation then you made a big mistake. This is not nastiness just truthfulness
Pete

 

[disnefile]

chrisGill,

I hope you are not replying to me because you are taking what is said as facts as insults and not rading what is being said. Sorry you feel that way. Please re- read and you will see that I have not insulted anyone. Again, just the facts. I feel bad for those who may have been mislead by sales people but I never rely on what they say. You have to read the contract and assume that you will only get what they legally have to give you. If you make assumptions about future events, that is a mistake and you will most likely be disappointed.

If a person made a decision on the basis of an option which could be taken away at any time, they made a mistake. If you cant't see that then no one can change your mind.

 

[nydizfan]

I think what most have said that healthy discussion is very good and thats what I think we have here. some posters can be very frank. So it can be perceived as an afront to many opinions. I dont see it that way ... many have different views. . thats it .. cant wait till BCV in Sept......dave

 

[kem330]

One of my points in posting previously in this thread was that this board is extremely helpful in pointing out the realities and strengths of DVC. The reality being "read the contract". In the excitement of purchase it is easy to overlook the fine print. In the past, Disney has made a point of emphasizing the perks of DVC as a sales tool. When pool hopping and reasonable exchange rates for Disney collection and the cruise were offered, many members became accustomed to these benefits. So it is disappointing EVEN though it is perfectly within the DVC contract to remove or change such benefits. I do feel we need to beware of contracts vs privileges but that is not always so apparent to a new buyer (or an older member who is used to having said benefit). It seems that theres some "told you so" going on here and frankly, I myself was one of those who didn't initially differentiate between contract obligations and benefits. So as a board we can be helpful in pointing this out to members with some understanding and empathy vs smugness

 

[CaptainMidnight]

If your not a BCV owner, you'll need to stay out of our SAB pool unless staying at our villas, YC &/or BC, thank you. Your reservations at our resort are more than welcome at the 7 month window. :-O

I've read so many postings from folks criticizing BCV, the decore, views, being an add on to an exsisting resort, lots of negative opinions. I personally see many things I like about the Villas, SAB being one of them. Each resort has it's advantages. BCV has SAB as one of it's advantages. Come stay at our villas if you'd like to take advantage of it, your more than welcome. We hope to visit WLV and HH sometime in the future.

I really haven't seen anything I thought would fall in the nasty category. However, I do hope we all make the effort to be kind and courteous to one another, even if sharing information that is different or contradicts another poster. That can easily be done with courtesy. Hope the humor comes through above. I think it's OK for BCV owners to have a little pride in thier home resort, as others do in their's.

 

[DisneyCrazy]

I don't see anything really 'nasty' either - but I have a pretty thick skin, especially when Internet message boards are involved.

I just think the 'if you don't like it sell' comments are non-productive. If you have a different prospective to give, then do so, those types of comments are like saying, "shut up", which to me is a waste of space.

I enjoy hearing the opinions of other's - no matter how wrong they might be

 

[joepoe]

We've never been to SAB although I walked through it one early morning while I was taking a stroll around the lagoon during our BWV stay last Feb. It looked nice, but having never playerd there, I guess I don't know what I missed.

My feeling is that Disney should upgrade their other pools somewhat, especially in finding space for lounge chairs, and really try to keep out the locals or non-Disney resort folks. I don't mind showing my ID if it helps keep out the freeloaders.

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

Just one comment...

Disney could build a zero entry pool as attractive to DVC'ers as StormalongBay is...but it doesn't have to be another Stormalong Bay. Just something unique & pleasant to use. To be honest I'd love an indoor/outdoor pool with swim up bar, lazy river with built in slides. Since EP is the next big DVC they could build in a minature golf course that you play through part of the pool using plastic golf balls!

Okay so some people would hate this but I'm just giving an example.

Another thing I'd like to replace SAB hopping (a privilege I never used) would be to get hopping to the Swan/Dolphin. Technically there aren't any conflicts because it would be an arrangement between DVC and S/D. Of course I don't see DVC bucking their parent that far but it'd be nice.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

I just think the 'if you don't like it sell' comments are non-productive.

Agreed. Probably not nasty, but along the lines of discourteous. These types of comments are not needed where we are simply sharing views and opinions.

 

[PKS44]

I would like to Float a few issues about poolhopping...

First, my guide made it as clear as water that poolhopping was never guaranteed. Second, I think SAB is over-rated. It is nice but definitely no substitute for a true water park, even a non-Disney water park. Third, it bothers me when people talk about poolhopping as if it is some profit issue. I do not see allowing the few DVC members who actually use this perk to swim in another pool as creating any significant drain on the Disney bottom line. Pool hopping has no impact on Disney's liquidity.

The pools are there and have to be maintained with or without hoppers. The "extra" security to keep out undesirables should be there anyway to keep out non-guests or extra guests when pools are busy anyway. So where is the "extra" expense in allowing DVC members to hop to any pool that is not at capacity- which has always been the policy? I understand the concerns about adding all those rooms at the YC/BC BCV, even though I have never seen SAB crowded. (I understand that my experience is both limited and apparently unusual.)
The poolhopping members use some towels, if they did not use them there they would be using them at their home resort, so that is a wash...
I think the only issue is the fuedal way that Disney runs the resorts-with DVC obviously our dues are used for our home resort...from what I understand the YC BC budget is seen as it's own thing compared to say the BWV budget, so if YC sees an increase in towel laundry that is offset by a decrease at the BWV towel use, nobody knows. All that is seen is that YC BC laundry expenses increased. There is no vision of resort wide costs in this regard. IF towel laundry cost is an issue that could easily be remedied without eliminating the perk...members could be restricted from using towels at the hopped to pool--they could still get towels from their home resort.

It is especially interesting that those who are the nastiest about the poolhopping thing are also the ones who never planned on using it...how quick they are to eliminate something that has no value to them personally without considering other solutions.

 

[disnefile]

PKS,

Who is nasty? Please list those people that you are accusing and let them respond to you.

 

[RobDoc]

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[Zimbubba]

It all depends on how one interprets contract. Disney would intrepret it as the written document that we signed. Others would include printed material distributed to entice sales. I know DVC has changed alot since we bought in 1995. However, these disappearing "privlidges" just reek of the ole bait and switch tactics. The overcrowding is most likely not associated with DVC members. There are other factors that they are not addressing. It would be an interesting test of the law to explore the concept of enticement advertising and then revoking or non-availability of what was offered.

 

[Dean]

While I'd agree that there is a potential contract if DVC gave one all this literature touting the pool hopping and other benefits implying they were an integral part of the program. It also be interesting if one could prove the verbal comments that have been made at times by some of the guides. At least from a PH standpoint, there has really been precious little written down even for owners. About all I can remember is the color page in the old Member Guidebook.

Anyone else remember the gnashing of teeth from some when DVC changed the points required for adventure time. I remember MS talking about all the reaming they were getting on that one.

I've only mentioned it on this board once or twice but it seems to fit in well here. I took the tour back in 94 and was told something that was definitely untrue. I had documentation but ended up buying resale in 94 or early 95 I think. When I found out I had been told incorrectly, I questioned DVC about this. To make a long story short, they offered to buy my contract back at what I had been out and make me whole. I considered it but my wife wanted to remain members and we're glad we did.

 

[CarolA]

I have just one thing to say. I cannot believe there are 7 pages of posts on a SWIMMING POOL!

 

[Grotto]

Even if it was "illegal" to take away pool hopping after listing it in the sales materials, Disney could argue that they aren't taking away pool hopping at all - they are only eliminating one pool of what?, maybe 40 pools on property. I doubt that they ever listed pool hopping specifically to SAB anywhere.

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

the quiet pool at BCV would have been in a lagoon shape to mirror SAB (in a mini way). It looks nice, but a sand bottom would help keep me at the quiet pool rather than always going to SAB.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Johnnie,
have you seen the new pool? What's it like? I haven't seen pictures of it yet. I think the sand bottom takes a lot of care and work. I've seen CM's out raking the sand in the mornings. But I agree that something unique and fun in teh pool would be great, a waterfall overhang like the Dolphin pool or a bridge or something so you could get in the shade if you wanted. The drawings for the BW pool indicate a bridge, but in never materialized. Great point about the "0" entry, probably not right for a quiet pool, but a great idea and wonderful for kids who become destine to hang out on the steps.

 

[Zimbubba]

<<While I'd agree that there is a potential contract if DVC gave one all this literature touting the
pool hopping and other benefits implying they were an integral part of the program.>>

This does exist. It is in the original promotional material. Although DVC would argue that it was promotional and not contractual. It is still misleading and borders unethical.

 

[Zimbubba]

<< I have just one thing to say. I cannot believe there are 7 pages of posts on a SWIMMING
POOL!>>

This is important to some people. Just like I can't believe some people discuss room views but that is important to people also.