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[Wood Nymph]

I will be shocked if FP+ reservations can't be made the same day---and I'm sure there will be kiosks in the parks for those without smartphones.

However, I also suspect that the limit will be the limit: one "person" (really, ticket) can only have X per day, whatever X is, no matter when they are made. I could be wrong about that, we'll see.

Agreed. I think that is the direction this whole thing is heading. And who knows, maybe it will free up the standby lines so that they are no longer unbearable.

 

[Angel Ariel]

You cant seem to get over the fact that the previously uneven playing field is being leveled not to favor you.

I don't get how it was an uneven playing field?

I knew about FP long before I ever found the DIS. It wasn't hard to understand the rules in when you could pull FPs. And it was CMs who told us at DLR that we could come back any time - not the DISboards - so any other guest could have been told the same thing we were at any time.

Some people choose to not know the rules of the game. That doesn't mean the playing field isn't level in the first place.

 

[Tekneek]

If I remember the terms of service correctly, though, a single ticket can be used for only one of FP or FP+, not both.

I mean within the confines of My Disney Experience. That's the complicated part. No part of the TOS indicates the existence of anything other than FP+ going forward. I think people are assuming that you can do additional FP on the same day, but there is nothing definitive out there that says you will. It doesn't appear to have made it into the TOS, from what I recall.

 

[Angel Ariel]

The bottom line is that allowing one FP per ride is a big takeaway. It's a big change. Maybe I'll be the only one who cares. Either I'll find a way to adapt and keep going. Or I won't.

I agree that it's a big takeaway. The #1 thing that my nephews wanted to do last week was ride Buzz Lightyear. We got FPs for that ride probably twice each day we were there (and we were in MK twice). We also rode standby when the line wasn't too long (20 mins or less).

I don't think we ever saw Buzz run out of FPs (at least not until late at night), and getting those FPs meant we weren't getting FPs for Thunder or Space (Splash was closed during our visit) - so more people would have the opportunity to get FPs for those rides.

 

[Brian Noble]

I was referring to whether or not Disney would be able to prevent people from using multiple tickets in a single park day. Maybe they will figure a way to stop it. If the finger print scan can attach the "points" to an RFID ticket, then it would stop the use of multiple tickets, wouldn't it?

No, because two different people *can* have the same set of "points" (more accurately, the same answer when the mathematical operation on those points is computed). The finger scanners are only "verification" devices, not "identification" devices. As long as that is true, there is no way to tell the difference between one person with two tickets, and two different people who happen to have the same "answer" to the function.

Moving to identification instead will drive the "you are violating my privacy" folks wild; the public relations cost of doing that would be huge.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I will be shocked if FP+ reservations can't be made the same day---and I'm sure there will be kiosks in the parks for those without smartphones.

However, I also suspect that the limit will be the limit: one "person" (really, ticket) can only have X per day, whatever X is, no matter when they are made. I could be wrong about that, we'll see.

I wonder what the current limit is.

I know under the old rules when you could come back whenever, you could hold 5 or 6 at MK for later in the day, but what about under the enforced return rules

 

[Angel Ariel]

This is true.

But, plenty of evidence exists that selling expedited access to theme park attractions doesn't anger customers to the point that they won't come back. Many many other parks have been doing it for years.

Yes, but as was my point earlier - how many of those theme parks had that expedited access available for free for over a decade before converting it to a paid system?

Perhaps if Disney had converted it to a paid system 6-7 years ago, when Universal did, there would be less consternation about the proposed changes. After having expedited access for years, I most certainly would be more upset if they changed it on me now than I would have had they changed it in FP's infancy.

 

[mom2rtk]

I was referring to whether or not Disney would be able to prevent people from using multiple tickets in a single park day. Maybe they will figure a way to stop it. If the finger print scan can attach the "points" to an RFID ticket, then it would stop the use of multiple tickets, wouldn't it?

I still don't get why Disney would even CARE if someone purchased and used a second ticket on one day. If it was my company and that was happening, I'd give my marketing folks a raise and tell them to keep it up.

Doesn't mean I think it's going to happen though.

 

[Brian Noble]

I mean within the confines of My Disney Experience. That's the complicated part. No part of the TOS indicates the existence of anything other than FP+ going forward. I think people are assuming that you can do additional FP on the same day, but there is nothing definitive out there that says you will. It doesn't appear to have made it into the TOS, from what I recall.

I could have sworn I saw something "Disney official" that said something to the effect of: To use FP+, you must enroll your ticket in MM+. If you do, the ticket can no longer be used for FP.

But, I can't find it anymore. Maybe it was a bad dream!

 

[mom2rtk]

I wonder what the current limit is.

I know under the old rules when you could come back whenever, you could hold 5 or 6 at MK for later in the day, but what about under the enforced return rules

There is no limit. It's self limiting because of the return times and wait before you can get another one. The same could be true if they offer same day FPs under the new system.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I don't get how it was an uneven playing field?

I knew about FP long before I ever found the DIS. It wasn't hard to understand the rules in when you could pull FPs. And it was CMs who told us at DLR that we could come back any time - not the DISboards - so any other guest could have been told the same thing we were at any time.

Some people choose to not know the rules of the game. That doesn't mean the playing field isn't level in the first place.

So why didnt Disney widely advertise that you could return at any time for a FP? Why didnt they change the verbiage on the ticket? signage? Maps? Brochures? Advertise it as additional perk to get more people to use FPs?

I am not going to discuss the whole FP late usage again other than to use it as an example how people all werent playing on an even playing field when using FPs even long time Disers where in the dark.

Yes, any guest could have been told at any time but why werent ALL guest told or informed someway directly from Disney?

 

[clareita]

You cant seem to get over the fact that the previously uneven playing field is being leveled not to favor you.

I don't get how it was an uneven playing field?

I knew about FP long before I ever found the DIS. It wasn't hard to understand the rules in when you could pull FPs. And it was CMs who told us at DLR that we could come back any time - not the DISboards - so any other guest could have been told the same thing we were at any time.

Some people choose to not know the rules of the game. That doesn't mean the playing field isn't level in the first place.

Yeah...I doubt you will get a satisfactory answer. UNCFanatik has been pretty clear on his feeling about those he feels have somehow been "gaming" the system by getting many FPs. The fact that absolutely anyone could do it doesn't seem to matter.

 

[hollygolitely93]

I will be shocked if FP+ reservations can't be made the same day---and I'm sure there will be kiosks in the parks for those without smartphones.

However, I also suspect that the limit will be the limit: one "person" (really, ticket) can only have X per day, whatever X is, no matter when they are made. I could be wrong about that, we'll see.

I would be shocked. You can pretty much get a dining reservation somewhere...maybe not choice restaurant but one of the restaurants...and the number of available slots for a dining restaurant would pale in comparison for a headliner...so I don't think you can compare CRT to Space Mountain. I think coveted times may go but not all times!

Also, I think plenty of people will not plan in advance...and those that do I thnk a large amount of FPs will go for parades and shows...

Finally I think same day FPs will be available. I can't see why they wouldn't offer the, same day...assuming slots are still open for that day...why would they want to deny this service...

I guess we all have to wait toreallymfind out but it is fun to speculate. I a, excited for the program...providing my own speculations are right

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

There is no limit. It's self limiting because of the return times and wait before you can get another one. The same could be true if they offer same day FPs under the new system.

there is a limit currently...you mentioned it....the wait before you could get another one.

I just haven't been back since they started enforcing so I am wondering what that limit is. When I went pre-enforcement, I would say my limit was 5-6 before they eitehr ran out or I didn't want anymore.

I'm trying to figure out how bad this "3 only" rule would be if it does play out such that it is all you get.

 

[Tekneek]

I could have sworn I saw something "Disney official" that said something to the effect of: To use FP+, you must enroll your ticket in MM+. If you do, the ticket can no longer be used for FP.

But, I can't find it anymore. Maybe it was a bad dream!

It is confusion over terminology. That's all. Once you convert to a paperless ticket (MM+, RFID bands, etc), you cannot use the standard FastPass service in the parks. This is true. What it doesn't prevent them from doing is offering an alternative FP service through MM+ that allows you to do some same day FP scheduling in addition to the 3 FP+ you had coming into the day.

The more I think about it, the more I feel that it is mere assumption that FP lives on in any incarnation. I suspect, much like I think you do, that FP+ will be all we're left with and the default will be 3 for each day, for only 1 park that day.

 

[jade1]

We tried that. Then one kid got mad because he didn't like ice cream and instead wanted two pieces of cake.

Well at least your down to one kid from many, so its already a success.

Second-the system allows for changes during the day, so another kid wanted 2 ice creams and they switched.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Yeah...I doubt you will get a satisfactory answer. UNCFanatik has been pretty clear on his feeling about those he feels have somehow been "gaming" the system by getting many FPs. The fact that absolutely anyone could do it doesn't seem to matter.

Please present my position correctly:

I never thought anyone was "gaming" the system by getting multiple FPs as long as they were using them and not giving them away

People never operated under the same knowledge and information base as to what Disney allowed with FP usage.

A policy and a Guest Recovery Method are two separate matters.

I think that once the FP+ system is rolled out and the bugs are all worked out will be for the good of more people and thus help the repeat customers in the long run. An increase in park attendance and revenue is good for all.

I do acknowledge the angst of the guest that maximized the FP system in the past. This will be a major adjustment for them if all the worst case scenarios come to pass. However, I find that most of the nitpicking and gloom and doom predictions are pure hyperbole and will never come to pass. One only has to look at the track record of past changes here on the DIS to see how accurate predictions are.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

The more I think about it, the more I feel that it is mere assumption that FP lives on in any incarnation. I suspect, much like I think you do, that FP+ will be all we're left with and the default will be 3 for each day, for only 1 park that day.

For me anyway, I would change "mere assumption" to "wild *** guess".

and hope.

I scratch my head though; why would they limit total FPs beyond what they are now? what's the goal?

 

[mom2rtk]

there is a limit currently...you mentioned it....the wait before you could get another one.

I just haven't been back since they started enforcing so I am wondering what that limit is. When I went pre-enforcement, I would say my limit was 5-6 before they eitehr ran out or I didn't want anymore.

I'm trying to figure out how bad this "3 only" rule would be if it does play out such that it is all you get.

3 wouldn't be an issue for us at EP, DHS or AK. It's a big problem for us in the MK. On an average day we would probably have 5 or 6. That's a day where we're doing a full mix of things, not just riding commando.

For us though it's not just the number limit. It's the fact that you can apparently no longer get a FP for a ride you have already fastpassed. And that those 3 might not even be the headliners.

If you go to MK at rope drop and work with purpose, you could probably still do more than 5 or 6. That's because the time limit is generally 2 hours or the time your next FP window opens. Soon after rope drop, those return times are usually much quicker than 2 hours away.

 

[Tekneek]

I scratch my head though; why would they limit total FPs beyond what they are now? what's the goal?

Establish a market for selling FP+ add-ons?