More liberal "tolerance"

mikeymars

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Assistant Principal orders New Jersey Schoolteacher to leave school after including President Bush in a display of photos of U.S. Presidents

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_100304_middleschoolteacher.html

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We also hear about idiotic things conservatives do on a regular basis. So what is your point?
 
Originally posted by MosMom
We also hear about idiotic things conservatives do on a regular basis.

Examples are welcome.

Broad, unsupported generalizations are not.

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what an odd story.

So the teacher says she had been fired, but doesn't know if she'll return to school. :confused: School officials decline to comment but do say that she has not been fired?

It is certainly wrong if she was fired for including a picture of President Bush on her Bulletin board of Presidents, but I suspect the "altercation" between the teacher and the parents is much more than reported here.

I'd be interested in hearing more details if you run across them MM.
 

I'm not sure "tolerance" is the correct word. . . I would have called this "more liberal common sense". . .

That principal should be immediately fired--the kids can't learn about the current president because some people want the current opposing CANDIDATE given photo space? How absolutely absurd.

I can't imagine anyone will take you up on your invitation to post anything even similar to this that Conservatives have done.

This would be similar to those that show maps of the Middle East without showing Israel, don't you think? The Left may want these things to be true, but they aren't--and won't be--if we have anything to say about it.
 
I'm sure there is more to this.... Like that woman that was fired for being a Kerry supporter a few weeks back. She was probably a lot more to that story as well. DS's H.S. English teacher posts left wing political cartoons on here classroom door, according to DS, with no attempt at balance. Parent conferences are in a couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see what the real story is.
 
Originally posted by Toby'sFriend
what an odd story.

So the teacher says she had been fired, but doesn't know if she'll return to school. :confused: School officials decline to comment but do say that she has not been fired?

It is certainly wrong if she was fired for including a picture of President Bush on her Bulletin board of Presidents, but I suspect the "altercation" between the teacher and the parents is much more than reported here.

I'd be interested in hearing more details if you run across them MM.

i agree.

and i just love it when the dis conservative crusaders paint liberals with such a wide brush. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by MosMom
We also hear about idiotic things conservatives do on a regular basis. So what is your point?

I am certainly relieved to hear that you consider it idiotic. Why does there have to be "point" beyond that for you to consider the article?
 
Originally posted by Toby'sFriend
what an odd story.

I suspect the "altercation" between the teacher and the parents is much more than reported here.

From the report:

"Parents expressing outrage after a teacher is kicked out of her public school for hanging a picture of President Bush next to pictures of other presidents in her classroom.

Shiba Pillai-Diaz, Teacher: "It happened on a small bulletin board near the American flag and also with a poster of the Declaration of Independence."

Veteran English teacher Shiba Pillai-Diaz says she was shocked when three parents confronted her. The three, insisting the teacher either add John Kerry's photo to the montage of presidents or remove the Bush photo. "

John Kerry was previously an elected President of the U.S?

That kind of "logic" could only happen in New Jersey....
 
I think it is ridiculous for the principal to have acted that way UNLESS the photo was clearly a campaign photo. I also believe the Kerry supporters should not have asked for a photo of Kerry up there. If the class was discussing the upcoming election, then I could see the teacher putting up a big ? as who would be the next president, but that is the most I would "tolerate."

Oh, and I'm quite liberal-- thank you.
 
Originally posted by Galahad
I'm sure there is more to this.... Like that woman that was fired for being a Kerry supporter a few weeks back. She was probably a lot more to that story as well. DS's H.S. English teacher posts left wing political cartoons on here classroom door, according to DS, with no attempt at balance. Parent conferences are in a couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see what the real story is.

Last year, my daughter's science and theater teacher used classtime to espouse her political views--which were things such as "Bush is a moron", etc. Yes, she used those words and more to a bunch of sixth graders.

After I complained, she was supposed to apologize publicly, but did so only to my daughter, not the rest of the class. The apology happened during the last day of school, and the teacher wasn't coming back this year (and my daughter's in another school this year anyways), that I really gave up on making them see how horrid this was.

I also took issue on some other Left leaning agenda they were attempting to teach--which, like the OP's example--also avoided the Truth.
 
yes also from "the report"

Pillai-Diaz ultimately removed the entire bulletin board and says School Principal Jim Warfel told her she disrupted the school with her "inflammatory politics".
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School officials would not talk on camera but insist nobody here has been fired. To that, Ms. Pillai-Diaz asks what does it mean then when your boss asks you to hand over the keys and kicks you out of the building? She also says she is not sure if she'll be returning to school tomorrow.

so what we know is that there was apparently some kind of incident during Parent night. We know the teacher says she has been fired for inflammatory politics and we know the school says she is not fired but they refuse to comment further.

What we don't know -- but you seem to be assuming, is that the teacher is giving an unbiased account of what her bulletin board looks like.... and if she spoke to the parents involved in the incident in a Professional manner befitting an Educator and staff member of the school.

just curious. Exactly where in the article does it state that the school Administration is composed of "Liberals" or even Democrats?

Are you assuming that Mikey?
 
Originally posted by mikeymars
Examples are welcome.

Broad, unsupported generalizations are not.

Okay, what about the teacher who was fired for not censoring one of his students for writing an anti-bush poetry piece?

By BILL HILL
Daytona Beach News-Journal 05-15-04

Bill Nevins, a New Mexico high school teacher and personal friend, was fired last year and classes in poetry and the poetry club at Rio Rancho High School were permanently terminated. It had nothing to do with obscenity, but it had everything to do with extremist politics.

The "Slam Team" was a group of teenage poets who asked Nevins to serve as faculty adviser to their club. The teens, mostly shy youngsters, were taught to read their poetry aloud and before audiences. Rio Rancho High School gave the Slam Team access to the school's closed-circuit television once a week and the poets thrived.

In March 2003, a teenage girl named Courtney presented one of her poems before an audience at Barnes & Noble bookstore in Albuquerque, then read the poem live on the school's closed-circuit television channel.

A school military liaison and the high school principal accused the girl of being "un-American" because she criticized the war in Iraq and the Bush administration's failure to give substance to its "No child left behind" education policy.

The girl's mother, also a teacher, was ordered by the principal to destroy the child's poetry. The mother refused and may lose her job.

Bill Nevins was suspended for not censoring the poetry of his students. Remember, there is no obscenity to be found in any of the poetry. He was later fired by the principal.

After firing Nevins and terminating the teaching and reading of poetry in the school, the principal and the military liaison read a poem of their own as they raised the flag outside the school. When the principal had the flag at full staff, he applauded the action he'd taken in concert with the military liaison.

Then to all students and faculty who did not share his political opinions, the principal shouted: "Shut your faces." What a wonderful lesson he gave those 3,000 students at the largest public high school in New Mexico. In his mind, only certain opinions are to be allowed.

But more was to come. Posters done by art students were ordered torn down, even though none was termed obscene. Some were satirical, implicating a national policy that had led us into war. Art teachers who refused to rip down the posters on display in their classrooms were not given contracts to return to the school in this current school year.

The message is plain. Critical thinking, questioning of public policies and freedom of speech are not to be allowed to anyone who does not share the thinking of the school principal.

The teachers union has been joined in a legal action against the school by the National Writers Union, headquartered in New York City. NWU's at-large representative Samantha Clark lives and works in Albuquerque.

The American Civil Liberties Union has become the legal arm of the lawsuit pending in federal court.

Meanwhile, Nevins applied for a teaching post in another school and was offered the job but he can't go to work until Rio Rancho's principal sends the new school Nevins' credentials. The principal has refused to do so, and that adds yet another issue to the lawsuit, which is awaiting a trial date.

While students are denied poetry readings, poetry clubs and classes in poetry, Nevins works elsewhere and writes his own poetry.

Writers and editors who have spent years translating essays, films, poems, scientific articles and books by Iranian, North Korean and Sudanese authors have been warned not to do so by the U.S. Treasury Department under penalty of fine and imprisonment. Publishers and film producers are not allowed to edit works authored by writers in those nations. The Bush administration contends doing so has the effect of trading with the enemy, despite a 1988 law that exempts published materials from sanction under trade rules.

Robert Bovenschulte, president of the American Chemical Society, is challenging the rule interpretation by violating it to edit into English several scientific papers from Iran.

Are book burnings next?

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Like others have said, I suspect there is more to this story and if there isn't...there are idiots on both sides and those few do not make up the whole. If anyone believes that or wishes to promote that, they themselves need some help.
 
Espousing political views would be wrong, too, but I can't see parents asking for Kerry's photo to be put up to counter political views.
 
Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
Espousing political views would be wrong, too, but I can't see parents asking for Kerry's photo to be put up to counter political views.

Espousing political views would be wrong where? By whom? Why?
 
Originally posted by MosMom
Okay, what about the teacher who was fired for not censoring one of his students for writing an anti-bush poetry piece?

Not analogistic to this situation at all.

The teacher your story refers to was accused of not allowing freedom of speech.

The teacher in New Jersey was bullied by an administrator (the card carrying N.E.A. member variant, no doubt) for simplying putting up an accurate display of U.S. Presidents, and disagreeing with DNC partisans who wanted to change it into a election promotion.

As for the "there's something else here," I agree there is, specifically:

the previous behavior of that Assistant Principal. I strongly suspect this isn't the first time he's punished staff who disagreed with his politics.

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After seeing this, I come away with several thoughts:
1. The principal is an idiot, if it happened the way that story is reporting it happened. There is no need for Senator Kerry's picture ot be on a bulletin board of Presidents, because he is not nor has he been President. If that changes in November, then by all means, his picture should be posted alongside his predecessors.
2. There is probably more to this story than meets the eye
3. I don't think it paints all liberals in a bad light. I think it paints the people involved in this incident in a bad light.
4. Extremism in either direction is counter-productive
 
Mikey:
Are you making this a case as to why we should vote for George W? You have only heard one side of the story. You make assumptions about prior incidents, anyone can go to the media and give their version of events, this is a weak story. There are numerous cases of inappropriate behavior. Political yard signs were stolen out of yards in our neighborhood, all Kerry-Edwards were removed and all Bush remained. Does that mean that Conservatives are thiefs?? No it doesnt.
 


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