MONSTER INC Box Office Results

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I like both movies. And I'm so glad to see two companies making extremely good animated movies, that is if Dreamworks continues to do so. Maybe this will motivate Disney enough so that we end up with 3! :D

Seriously, this might make Disney get better and better so that they make the best movies again. Or at least that's what I'm hoping.
 
A "Personal" copy?
Yes, as in...go out on the internet, find a copy of the movie, download it, burn it to video cd's (VCD's) and then watch on a DVD player which has the capability to play VCD's (most players do) and read CDR's (most players don't). Quality on these varies...here's an example of a [Link Deleted] copy of Monsters and a [Link Deleted] copy.

Anyway, with me it really doesn't hurt the studios if the movie is good...I saw Shrek at the theaters, had DVD quality VCD's since August and still bought it on DVD the day it came out. Same with Monsters...we saw it at the theater on opening day and will buy it as soon as it comes out on DVD.
 
Pearl harbor cost alot more to make and produce then Shrek and wont do anywhere near as good in dvd/vhs sales IMHO. Pearl harbor was a overhyped movie and pales in comparsion to movies such as Saving Private Ryan or band of Brothers!
 

johare, I would not be so free with explaining that on this site. We know that Disney employees read this site and what you are doing regardless of your personal opinions is in fact Illegal.
Just be careful.
 
johare, I would not be so free with explaining that on this site. We know that Disney employees read this site and what you are doing regardless of your personal opinions is in fact Illegal.
I think Disney would do better to worry about the source of these movies and all the people who won't pay to see a movie because they obtain a 'bootleg' copy. Like I said...I still paid to see Monsters on opening day and will be one of the first to buy the DVD when it comes out. Since I never go see a movie more than once at the theater it really doesn't cost Disney anything if I have a copy to watch while I wait for the official copy. Though I would hope that Disney isn't as stupid as the RIAA, I can see how some 'suits' might see things differently. Thanks for the advice.
 
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It is against the law to do that plus Eisner is very hard on people who do that!
If you found a video tape of Monsters Inc on your doorstep you'd watch it right? If so, what's the difference if you find a file containing the movie on the internet?
 
Yeah, whatever. If someone creates a movie, its their screenplay and they have the absolute and final right to choose to be or not to be compensated by those who like watch it.
The creators of Monsters, Inc. have been compensated by my entire family and will be compensated again when they release the DVD.

what, because I like your grandmother's chicken casserole should I be able just to barge in to her frig for leftovers without knocking on the front door or calling ahead
Not really sure your analogy makes sense here. If you come in and remove stuff from the frig you have physically taken something which didn't belong to you which I (or my grandmother) no longer has because you took it. Now if you came in and copied the casserole or the recipe I doubt anyone would really care as long as it was for your personal use. Same with a movie. If I break into a studios warehouse and steal some actual films that's one thing, but if I pay to see a movie and then obtain a copy to watch at home the studio has lost absolutely nothing.
 
The creators of Monsters, Inc. have been compensated by my entire family and will be compensated again when they release the DVD.

Actually, they haven't, because until it is in VHS/DVD release, it is still their material, *exclusive* to the theaters. By watching it on a burned cd without paying is akin to sneaking into the movie theaters to see it again without paying, and trying to justify that by saying "we already paid to see it once."

That just don't work, in my opinion.
 
Actually, they haven't, because until it is in VHS/DVD release, it is still their material, *exclusive* to the theaters. By watching it on a burned cd without paying is akin to sneaking into the movie theaters to see it again without paying, and trying to justify that by saying "we already paid to see it once."
Good point, but I still see it differently. If I sneak into a theater I am occupying a seat that should be taken by a paying customer and I'm using the resources of the theater. That isn't the same as watching a copy at home. Is videotaping an entire day at the Magic Kingdom and then watching it at home the same as sneaking back into the MK for free? How about if my favorite band is playing in town and I bring my camcorder, tape the whole show and then watch it at home? Is that the same as sneaking into their next concert?

I think this is one of those issues where people take a side and the two sides rarely (or never) come together. I guess if you have a problem with things like this then don't do it. Myself, I think as long as you pay to see the movie and don't give it to people who haven't paid then no wrong is done...but that is just IMHO.
 
I think this is one of those issues where people take a side and the two sides rarely (or never) come together.
I think this is one of those issues where people steal intellectual property and then try to justify it...
 
Intellectual property is a tough one. I work with a lot of people who simply don't believe in it. (if they were writers or directors, or musicians, they MAY change there tunes(although not neccsarily). johare, I'm sorry I started this, I didn't want to discuss it to this extent, just warn you.

The fact of the matter is that. Companies prosecute for this kind of stuff on the Internet all the time. Look at what Paramount did with Star Trek Sites (and lost I believe) and what George Lucas Did with Star Wars sites (won sort of). Or what happened to Napster. Some of these studios can be very petty about this stuff. I don't know where Pixar stands. as I said, just be careful.
 
That's true, but if they wanted to they could probably get serch warrents or whatever they need. Or question him.

Again, just a warning.
 
Originally posted by johare
Is videotaping an entire day at the Magic Kingdom and then watching it at home the same as sneaking back into the MK for free? How about if my favorite band is playing in town and I bring my camcorder, tape the whole show and then watch it at home? Is that the same as sneaking into their next concert?

The videotaping the MK is a totally different matter because you are allowed to videotape (most areas) of MK. If you are allowed to videotape, then I wouldn't consider that stealing. But if there are signs in the MK saying No Videotaping Allowed (or whatever they say) then you shouldn't videotape that. If you are allowed to videotape the concert then more power to you.

But in any case, if there is explicit directions saying "NO RECORDING DEVICE OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED IN (the theater/the building, etc)" then you ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VIDEOTAPE THAT. Those directions are all over every movie theater, they are not all over the MK. Therefore, it is 100% illegal to videotape a movie in the theater (ever hear of bootlegging? that's it), but it is 100% legal to videotape in the MK.
 
The point of questioning him would be to get the person that originally made the copy.
 
...the problem with intellectual property laws at this point is that the companies that own content are attempting to get the rules changed (or established, depending on how closely you believe high-tech digitally distributable intellectual property laws can/should mirror old-school hard copy intellectual property laws) such that you buy per use, not per piece of intellectual property. Entertainment companies are trying to influence the laws so that, in the future, you will not be able to buy a DVD once then watch it as many times as you want. They would much prefer that you have to pay each and every time you watch or listen.

The best example of this was the hubbub about DeCSS. I can legally obtain DVDs containing intellectual property (for instance, the Far East DVD release of Sleeping Beauty), but about the only way I can watch that legally obtained DVD is to "break" the "copy protection." If I legally bought the DVD, how can someone say I'm "stealing" if I manage to actually watch it (with lots of lawyers, that's how)?

The movie industry went ape-**** over this, saying that DeCSS's _only_ use was for stealing, which is patently untrue. This is the same gambit that was successful at crippling Napster: the record companies said "the only thing this can be used for is theft" long enough and loudly enough that the courts believed it, even though it's a flat-out lie.

I'm opening myself to accusations of "Chicken Little-itis" here, but there's no reason to believe that the entertainment companies can't or won't use the same type of argument to try to criminalize writable CDs or DVDs, TiVo boxes, even VCRs (why do you think DAT tapes never caught on in the US mass market? Because entertainment companies didn't want them to catch on, and lobbied to make them more difficult and expensive to buy and operate).

Jeff

PS: tossing around all these legal system statements should ensure Chad has enough targets for a big ol' post ;)
 
Jeff, Don't forget Diyvx. That Failed and Failed big time. It was an attempt at pay per use.

I don't think most people have a problem with intellectual property per se', they have a problem with trying to get more money out of them then they think is fair. AND for the Record, DAT tape did not Simply fail, because of IP fears. Sony released the minidisc which was similar AND released music for it, it failed too. Cost was a big factor. That and the fact that it turns out personal recordings are not as big a market as one would have thought. digital VCRs failed for the same reason, people simply don't care about recording things. Aside from TiVo which is designed to be impermanent (you can crack that baby open and put in a bigger, or second hard drive), very little sales have occured along this path.


there was a big fear when DVD first hit shelves that it wouldn't catch on, because you couldn't record to it. that has been proven wrong.

At the same time, the music industry struggles with the MP3 market, for a different reason, If you could go to the local Best Buy and make your own CD with only the songs you liked on it, nobody would use MP3. There is a downside for the artist in that the songs with less Airplay never get listened to, but that is minor. Its about freedom of Choice, people don't mind paying ofr intellectual property, but they want to have the choices.
 
The fact of the matter is that. Companies prosecute for this kind of stuff on the Internet all the time. Look at what Paramount did with Star Trek Sites (and lost I believe) and what George Lucas Did with Star Wars sites (won sort of). Or what happened to Napster. Some of these studios can be very petty about this stuff. I don't know where Pixar stands. as I said, just be careful.
Well, if I was running a site or re-distributing this stuff I might be worried. I've downloaded a few movies and mp3's here and there, but have never uploaded any and have no 'public' drives on my PC. Given the quality of most of these 'downloaded' movies, I've burnt most of them to CD-RW's, watched them once or twice and then erased them (ie, Pearl Harbor wasn't even worth keeping for .75 cents in blank CDr's). If anyone wanted to look around at what I had they would be very disappointed.
The point of questioning him would be to get the person that originally made the copy.
And what point would there be in that? If I download a file from a usenet group or from gnuetella, I have absolutely no idea where that file came from nor do I really care.
 
I think this is one of those issues where people steal intellectual property and then try to justify it...
That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I just don't share that viewpoint. I suppose you've never listened to an .mp3 file of a song which you didn't own on CD, never copied a piece of computer software, never copied an audio or video tape, never photocopied a page or two from a book or magazine, right?
 
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