Monorails to no longer operate during Evening Extra Magic Hours

[Traveliz]

No, I wasn't asking.. I knew, which ferry I was talking about.

I thought you would based on your other posts but the way the your post was laid out it wasn't clear to me. I think it was the combination of the quote and then the picture.

Liz

 

[TLSnell1981]

I thought you would based on your other posts but the way the your post was laid out it wasn't clear to me. I think it was the combination of the quote and then the picture.

Liz

I'm sorry for the confusion. I was responding to..

No, I believe you're thinking of the resort launches. The large ferries that transport two or three times as many guests between the TTC and the MK, and which reportedly had three running at the same time recently, and which have fairly massive enclosed spaces, should be operating at all times except when there's lightning in the area.

Since there's rarely (but not never) lightning during the typical EMH period, guests needing to get between those two points who don't want to take a bus should be easily accommodated.

 

[doconeill]

But even "free dining plan" is different from "free dining".

Are there people here who who believe that "free dining" means something different than "free dining plan"?

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Remarkably Disney ascends and descends at the same time. As a matter of fact, most of the time, every one and every thing works that way. Here in this thread, you are being buffeted by knee-jerk vitriol, myopically focused solely on this one thing, that is a disappointment. In other threads, we're talking about the new mine train roller coaster being built, and people are still talking about how great the comparatively new attraction TSM is. I'm still amazed that they built Expedition Everest, but I guess I have a longer memory than most people.

The shame of it is that many folks choose to give far more air-play to their anger and upset, and allow it to overwhelm even far greater joy. Even here in this thread, some folks are allowing the curtailment of a few hours of monorail service to seem like "no monorail" and reacting according to that gross distortion of perception.

To answer your question, though, you need to realize where the magic actually was - where it was lost from - inside you. Disney paves roads, and builds buildings and big toys. You play with them. You make the magic. But only if you want to - only if you allow yourself to. If you choose to allow minor annoyances overwhelm your ability to enjoy the rest of the great things that already are there, and blind you to all the improvements being offered each year, then the magic will be gone from within you - you are "going down the slope".

Great post

Exactly what I've been trying to say. There have been so many positives over the years. Some seem to spin each positive in a negative fashion (I do feel sorry for those who truly feel this way) and others feel that the negatives outweigh the positive (although I don't agree with this outcome, I respect their opinion). I like how you remind us that it's our attitude of how we handle changes that determines our outlook. I think that summarizes this thread quite well.

If you run the numbers the free dining plan isn't free AT ALL.

Room only -All Star Movies-September 24-October 1 $568

Room and 7 day base tickets-All Star Movies-September 24-October 1 $1361

Room, 7 day base tickets and free Quick Service Dining-September 24-October 1
$1590

Room, 7 day base tickets and free Basic Dining-All Star Movies-September 24-October 1-$1821.
I would say that is a premium price for the All Star Movies

All of the above calculations included 2 adults and 1 child(12), using Disney
specials.

Same scenario with my APs
Room only--$588
Room with Quick Service--$1326
Room with Basic Dining Plan--$1557

Running these numbers has given me another reason to reconsider renewing my APs. Even with the prices being a little lower with the AP(except room only), the difference does NOT make up for the cost of the AP .

You've forgotten one big thing in your analysis - I'll let you try to figure it out. That said, I have never said that free dining is free. I just said that it's a deep discount for many, especially if you are a family staying in the Value resorts. I don't know why when someone says 'free dining', they have to go into a long explanation as to how they do understand it's not truly free, but simply a discount. Like any discount, you have to determine which is best for your family. For many guests, when free dining is announced they immediately change their room only discount or other discount to the free dining DISCOUNT. I was just trying to say that this program has been extremely successful in hard economic times in drawing guests to Disney and thus, has been viewed by MANY guests as a POSITIVE over the past several years.

Actually it requires the purchase of the $100 photobook. Many would have greatly preferred the photopass CD, but that was not the case.

Nobody knows if the next offering of free dining will have the same stipulation. The latest free dining was actually the second offering of free dining during that late August through September timeframe. It is still possible they only added the book requirement to differentiate it from that first offering last year (that had to be booked by 12/20).

But I'm afraid I've lost track of how this relates to the monorail. Maybe the proceeds are being put toward purchase of a new monorail for Disney???

I brought this up as a POSITIVE item over the past few years. I know that many may see it as a negative, but I was pointing out that many guests have pointed out that this the only way they've been able to afford to come to Disney, thus it is obviously a positive to them. And then some people wanted to get nit picky and show that it's technically not free. Duh! As if anyone really believes this?!? That doesn't mean it's not a positive item.

In your opinion.

I love when the obvious is stated such as free dining isn't free or that there are opinions on this board. Really?!? There have been very few posts on this thread with facts. We know about the changes to the monorail closures for the Epcot and MK routes effective now and on August 1st. We speculate about what will happen this fall with the parties. Everything else is opinion and there are lots of those on this thread, so what's the big deal? I don't agree with everyone's opinion, but don't they have the right to post them and debate them?

 

[Cinders Mum]

I love when the obvious is stated such as free dining isn't free or that there are opinions on this board. Really?!? There have been very few posts on this thread with facts. We know about the changes to the monorail closures for the Epcot and MK routes effective now and on August 1st. We speculate about what will happen this fall with the parties. Everything else is opinion and there are lots of those on this thread, so what's the big deal? I don't agree with everyone's opinion, but don't they have the right to post them and debate them?

As you've chosen to quote me, i shall respond.
I have NO problem with ANYONE stating their opinion, when that opinion is put forward as one viewpoint. Not the one and only right one. Where something is stated as a fact, and not an opinion, it diminishes the opinion of those who don't agree with that person's position. Hence it was a reminder to the person I quoted that it was only HIS opinion it was not a big deal... to others it is. Neither opinion is wrong, it is personal perspective, but NO ONE should be belittled or mocked for feeling the way they do. (I am NOT saying the person i quoted has or has not done that.)

 

[kaligal]

Are there people here who who believe that "free dining" means something different than "free dining plan"?

Yes. Me.

"Free dining" would mean you're eating for free. "Free dining plan" means you're buying something that is called "free".

I do get what you're saying, but "free" dining is not free. and some people (I don't know about that particular poster) get a little tired of hearing it called "free."

Another Disney lie. It's not free.

As you've chosen to quote me, i shall respond.
I have NO problem with ANYONE stating their opinion, when that opinion is put forward as one viewpoint. Not the one and only right one. Where something is stated as a fact, and not an opinion, it diminishes the opinion of those who don't agree with that person's position. Hence it was a reminder to the person I quoted that it was only HIS opinion it was not a big deal... to others it is. Neither opinion is wrong, it is personal perspective, but NO ONE should be belittled or mocked for feeling the way they do. (I am NOT saying the person i quoted has or has not done that.)

Didn't you mean, "IMO, it diminishes..." and "IMO, neither opinion is wrong..."

Everyone is giving their opinion. It's an assumed thing.

We don't have to preface every sentence with "IMO"...or even every post. All the IMOs would get very annoying very quickly, don't you think?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Is this a resort ferry?

Uh, no? No resort ferry exists, and I never claimed one does or did

I do apologize for thinking the MK-TTC ferry is enclosed. I seem to have confused it with ferries used for actual, everyday, long commutes in widely disparate weather conditions: sun, rain, snow, 75 degrees, 105 degrees, five degrees... not ten minutes in mostly tropical weather.

 

[GadgetRick]

No one knows, at this point. Disney has given conflicting statements. Original reports were..it is permanent...affects EEMH and Events. They have backed off events and are saying, not sure how long, but at least a year.

No, according to Disney it's permanent. It's others putting a spin on it where it may not be permanent.

 

[GadgetRick]

Do you have a compelling need to be condescending? If you don't like someone's posts, well, at least a couple of posters have explained how 'ignore' works .

Just responding in kind...

Sound intelligent? Intersesting that you attempt to belittle actual intelligent posts or responses that way. Could I ask instead why you don't try a genuine conversation? bicker is discussing the issues, one at a time, with the appropriate posters. Everything he's said makes sense; if you stop reading it as picking apart the post and instead read the response, and maybe question what doesn't seem clear, possibly you'll see that?

Uh, you've done similar things in the past, which makes me understand why you'd defend someone who is just trying to argue for the sake of arguing. However, at least you are arguing the topic(s) on hand rather than just trying to sound like you know more than everyone else.

I'll say this again, picking apart the finer points of how someone is saying is not arguing the topic, it's belittling the person and it's annoying. Bicker has a long history of doing such a thing.

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled debate...

 

[TLSnell1981]

Uh, no? No resort ferry exists, and I never claimed one does or did

I do apologize for thinking the MK-TTC ferry is enclosed. I seem to have confused it with ferries used for actual, everyday, long commutes in widely disparate weather conditions: sun, rain, snow, 75 degrees, 105 degrees, five degrees... not ten minutes in mostly tropical weather.

I'm sorry, I misquoted... you said, "resort launches". I only assumed, you meant, "resort ferry".

I've lived in Orlando, and it can be extremely hot and humid, or very cold and/or rainy. The ferries are open, although covered, and have no air-conditioning or heat. And, I can promise, the lines will be long. Not an appealing, late night alternative (to the monorail). IMO

 

[kaligal]

I waited over an hour for a boat to WL once. Over an hour, standing in line, in the heat, while tired. For the first 30 minutes or so, we had to hear staff people screaming, "I say Mickey, you say Mouse...Mickey! (mouse)...Mickey! (mouse)...I say Donald, you say Duck! Donald! (duck) Donald! (duck)"

Kids cried. People complained.

Longest 75 minutes of my life.

I promised myself I'd never, ever wait for another resort launch at closing.

I can only imagine how much worse with no monorails going.

 

[going/again]

Well, the E-ticket/E-Ride nights were also only available to resort guests, I believe, and on far fewer nights as well.

Scott

Well if thats the case, why do people complain E nights were less packed, with far more onsite guests now and all the DVC owners, its bound to be more crowded, not exactly rocket science is it.

 

[kaligal]

Well if thats the case, why do people complain E nights were less packed, with far more onsite guests now and all the DVC owners, its bound to be more crowded, not exactly rocket science is it.

It was less packed because Disney limited the number of tickets sold.

There aren't that many more hotel rooms, anyway. It wasn't that long ago. They were still doing this between 2000-2005.

I don't care if the whole world is staying in a Disney hotel - if they limit the number of tickets sold, the number of people in the park remains the same.

Would they do that now? Obviously not. But we can wish they would.

 

[doconeill]

Yes. Me.

"Free dining" would mean you're eating for free. "Free dining plan" means you're buying something that is called "free".

I do get what you're saying, but "free" dining is not free. and some people (I don't know about that particular poster) get a little tired of hearing it called "free."

Another Disney lie. It's not free.

Really it is just semantics. As I said in an earlier post, The Free Dining Plan is in fact, free in the sense that you get it free along with the package you purchase. The cost of the package is not raised to a premium level - you are just not receiving any other discounts on it. All the rack rate prices are published independently so you know they aren't jacking up the prices. It is an alternative discount to room-level discounts, etc.

But I did NOT say it doesn't COST you. As I've said before, "Disney is the reason more of us should have paid better attention in math class..."

For it to be a lie, it would have to be untrue. I believe that is not the case. Perhaps deceptive, but not untrue.

 

[Robo]

It was less packed because Disney limited the number of tickets sold.

And, they also USED to more conservatively limit the number of tickets sold to the hard ticket parties.

E-Ride nights would have undoubtedly morphed (by now) into something much more akin to EMH anyway.

Things change.

I loved E-ride nights, but it's not hard to see that they would have changed.

 

[kaligal]

Really it is just semantics. As I said in an earlier post, The Free Dining Plan is in fact, free in the sense that you get it free along with the package you purchase. The cost of the package is not raised to a premium level - you are just not receiving any other discounts on it. All the rack rate prices are published independently so you know they aren't jacking up the prices. It is an alternative discount to room-level discounts, etc.

But I did NOT say it doesn't COST you. As I've said before, "Disney is the reason more of us should have paid better attention in math class..."

For it to be a lie, it would have to be untrue. I believe that is not the case. Perhaps deceptive, but not untrue.

I did very well in math and was encouraged by one high school teacher and one professor to major in Math. And I almost did. I love math. But I had another major in mind.

Dinner is free if you charge $50 for the water.

The whole car is "free" if you charge $30,000 for the floor mat.

All due respect, but I don't see how you can mathematically change the definition of the word "free." Either it has to be purchased or it doesn't. If it has to be purchased, it is not free.

 

[doconeill]

And, they also USED to more conservatively limit the number of tickets sold to the hard ticket parties.

E-Ride nights would have undoubtedly morphed (by now) into something much more akin to EMH anyway.

Things change.

Agreed - they've been increasing ticket sales to the point that they are more crowded than during the day.

The Pirate and Princess parties were almost a way of merging E-Ride and the other seasonal parties, and they chucked that.

 

[doconeill]

I did very well in math and was encouraged by one high school teacher and one professor to major in Math. And I almost did. I love math. But I had another major in mind.

Dinner is free if you charge $50 for the water.

The whole car is "free" if you charge $30,000 for the floor mat.

All due respect, but I don't see how you can mathematically change the definition of the word "free." Either it has to be purchased or it doesn't. If it has to be purchased, it is not free.

If the long-established published sticker price of the floor mat is $30,000, even if they generally sell it for $10, then the statement is true and it is valid advertising.

If they advertise that the standard non-discounted price of the mat is $10, but then say you can have a free car but only if you pay the premium price of $30,000 in the fine print, then that is something else entirely and could be considered false or deceptive advertising.

I'm just saying - the rack rates are the "sticker" prices on the rooms and are well established. It is not really deceptive advertising to say you can have a free dining plan if you pay the published room rate. Just because in other circumstances you'd rarely pay that rate anyways doesn't matter, and Disney is NOT required to do the math for you to tell you if there is a better deal. That's why travel agents (and in some cases, these boards) exist.

So is it true that it could cost you MORE than taking a different offer? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

With the free car example...if you got a car with all your options that otherwise would have cost you more than $29,990 without the floor mat, then it is a good deal for you to pay $30k for the mat. But you might not choose such a car - it is a gas guzzler, you don't need the 50-CD changer with 3 iPod docks and DVD players for the kids you don't have and want something smaller and more efficient, and that car is only worth $25,000 - then it is a horrible deal.

My only argument here is that "free dining" (as we call it on the boards, which implies the Free Dining Plan offer), is not a lie. It isn't always the best deal.

 

[going/again]

I wrote: "$75 per reservation." Your family total would be $75. And if you had 6 people in your family...still $75. Less than a cab. Less than a Mears shuttle. Less than a rental car.

So 6 people $75, 2 people $75 I'd just rent a car and spend more time offsite, Disney loses my spends.

 

[Robo]

I did very well in math and was encouraged by one high school teacher and one professor to major in Math. And I almost did. I love math. But I had another major in mind.

Dinner is free if you charge $50 for the water.

The whole car is "free" if you charge $30,000 for the floor mat.

All due respect, but I don't see how you can mathematically change the definition of the word "free." Either it has to be purchased or it doesn't. If it has to be purchased, it is not free.

In commercial copy, the accepted (and more correct and legal) terminology is "at no extra charge."

Example:

"Buy a set of four new Leapyear Optium tires and get a 36" flat-screen TV at no extra charge."

They used to allow the word "free," but that is now considered inappropriate in many cases.

Even "Buy One- Get One Free" can be seen changing (in many cases)
to "Buy One-Get One." ("BO-GO.")