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MelissathePooh

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Fantasyland looks bizarre - basically half shut down. Pooh is not running a FP line right now - CM said it would be back up in November. Everything was basically kickin from 0900 until we left around 1730. Well not Phillharmagic - that had its pitiful no one goes anymore 10 minute wait all day.

At least half a doze different tour groups in the park. No issues though. It was oddly crowded though - dawned on me as we were leaving that all the refurbs played a big role in increasing wait times for open things.

Pirates - 35 minute wait - queued up to the front of the attraction.

Carousel - had to wait through 2 rounds before we could ride - actually queued up. Only 1 cm working the whole thing and she was stretched.

People Mover - queued up to where Astro Orbiter starts - an actual queue.

Haunted Mansion - backed up and queued with 35+ minute waits.

Peter Pan Fast Pass line - backed up almost to the restrooms.

Counter Service restaurants were running the no one sits unless they have food deal. Exits were "guarded" by CM's so people couldn't come in the exit and sit down.

Really kind of a strange day - yes its a holiday, free dining, so on...definitely did not feel like off season.
 
We're going in a week. Doesn't sound like things are going too great in MK. I wonder why Pooh has no fastpasses. That stinks, small world is under refurb also. Don't feel like waiting a long time to go on pooh and my kids won't wait in line for a long period of time.
 
This is a holiday weekend and it's evening EMH at MK. Of course it was busy. It's not due to free dining. This is not reflective of how busy MK is on a normal day, this will be as busy as you can get in the fall outside of Thanksgiving.
 
From what I could tell/notice there was only one entrance for Pooh right now since much of the front queue is under refub/construction. At one point the FP machines for Pooh were over by Philharmagic - don't know if it just got too confusing or what, but they've scapped it until Nov.

I didn't go back to see what stand by times were as the day progressed - my Pooh experience this morning was enough for one day! (dh posted about it already) If you go at opening it shouldn't be a big deal though.

Sometimes not having FP makes the regular lines go more smoothly. Just depends. I was thinking today how much FP slowed down Buzz when it was already a continuous loader. Pooh, obviously, isn't continuous though.
 

This is a holiday weekend and it's evening EMH at MK. Of course it was busy. It's not due to free dining. This is not reflective of how busy MK is on a normal day, this will be as busy as you can get in the fall outside of Thanksgiving.

Sundays have actually been lighter days/afternoons recently. Picks up later in the day, but sometimes even that isn't bad. The holiday weekend was the biggest factor. Pratically every person I overheard or had a conversation with this weekend mentioned free dining though. EMH don't necessarily mean the parks will be more crowded.
 
Oh forgot to add that SM was down for a while today - happened to be on the People Mover and the whole place was lit up and empty. Always makes you wonder what you're think riding it when you see it lit up! Tracks look so close together!

Most of the walkways/open areas were pretty open, but ride lines were crazy. Having spent a good part of this past summer down here and having traveled at various times of the year - it was just seemed like a strange crowded kind of crowded.
 
We were there from the 1st through the 7th and had low crowds for most of our trip but I did notice the crowds starting to increase on the 7th and when we were driving out on the 8th noticed a ton of people waiting at the bus stop.
I agree about Fantasyland, with all of the refurbs and starting on the expansion 95% of Fantasyland was behind walls and tarps. It didn't take away from my trip but if I'd never been to MK before I would have been disappointed with the way things looked. I even thought it was odd that on the 2nd we went through HM and could see the graveyard but on the 5th there was a huge wall up running the length of the graveyard and it was still up at the Halloween party on the 7th. We asked a CM and he said they were doing some ground work and didn't have a specified finish time. I thought it wa a really odd choice to do that to the attraction that's practically the centerpiece of MNSSHP.
 
Counter Service restaurants were running the no one sits unless they have food deal. Exits were "guarded" by CM's so people couldn't come in the exit and sit down.


What?? They won't let you sit down until you have your food??? I have never seen that! We always send one parent up to order the food while the other parent & kids find the table. I REALLY don't want to wait with all 3 kids in the cs lines!
 
Sundays have actually been lighter days/afternoons recently. Picks up later in the day, but sometimes even that isn't bad. The holiday weekend was the biggest factor. Pratically every person I overheard or had a conversation with this weekend mentioned free dining though. EMH don't necessarily mean the parks will be more crowded.
Touringplans.com. Subscribe to that and you'll have a much better idea of the crowd levels for each park on each day and the overall crowd level. If free dining increased crowds, it wouldn't be happening during the lowest crowded time of the year. That's why there is free dining, because it's not crowded. The program fills up the onsite hotels, not the parks. The goal is to get people to stay onsite rather than offsite.
 
Get used to it, folks. Fantasyland and Toon Town are soon going to be a mess because of construction anyway once the expansion project really gets going.
 
Counter Service restaurants were running the no one sits unless they have food deal. Exits were "guarded" by CM's so people couldn't come in the exit and sit down.


What?? They won't let you sit down until you have your food??? I have never seen that! We always send one parent up to order the food while the other parent & kids find the table. I REALLY don't want to wait with all 3 kids in the cs lines!

They didn't do this when we were there last Sept, but I remember someone talking about this just after we got back. It may just be done during the busy times. We tend to go eat lunch right at 11:00, before the heavy lunch crowd comes, making it pretty easy to find a place to sit.
 
I think it probably depends ont he CS restaurant. I remember a couple haivng the whole family in line until they went to register, then they took family, sat them donw, while one went ahead and got food.

Don't remember where it was at though :confused3
 
We've seen the counter service places do that around Christmas and occasionally during the summer. I kind of understand the premise to a point, but don't think that having entire families together at the ordering stands is very convenient or efficient either. People end up tripping over themselves as it is (people waiting at the food exit line). We had actually gone in and sat down a little before 11 and the CM's hadn't started policing the place yet, but by the time we left they were. A CM at the exit and multiple others wandering around helping people find tables and directing those who didn't have food.

I have no need to subscribe to Touringplans.com. Again I didn't expect it not to be crowded - all I said was that it was a strange crowd. Free dining absolutely has an impact on park crowds - its part of a package and a majority of the people using it don't have ap's - therefore have park tickets. When you throw enough promotions in at a traditionally slower time of year - add in fall breaks from schools, holiday weekends, park festivals etc... it becomes a not so slower time of year. To say that October is offseason anymore just isn't accurate.
 
We just got back and saw the same thing with the crowds. In my mind, 3 things in play
1) Holiday Weekend
2) Free Dining, and...
3) School Fall Breaks (btw, when did this start happening - what happened to school from approximately Labor Day to Thanksgiving for a 2-day break, then onto Christmas for a 2 week break with the occasional one-day holiday thrown in there. Week-long school vacations in October? Times are a-changin)

Epcot was slammed on the weekends with F&W, crowded with long lines at some booths but not obnoxious. HS was VERY crowded over the weekend with summer-like wait times at the headliner attractions - intermittent breakdowns at RnR Coaster probably didn't help.

I presume this time of year will start to look like Presidents Day and perhaps Spring Break so October may no longer be that ideal time to go if you want the parks to yourself (like after Labor Day or after Thanksgiving)
 
Touringplans.com. Subscribe to that and you'll have a much better idea of the crowd levels for each park on each day and the overall crowd level. If free dining increased crowds, it wouldn't be happening during the lowest crowded time of the year. That's why there is free dining, because it's not crowded. The program fills up the onsite hotels, not the parks. The goal is to get people to stay onsite rather than offsite.

Think it through some more. "the goal is to get people to say onsite rather than offsite." Well, yeah, exactly. But when you say "stay" you mean where your hotel room is. When disney says "stay" they mean "don't leave disney property." What you are saying is something like "free dining doesn't cause more people to travel to central florida during "off-season," it takes people who would already go and stay off-site and moves them off-site. There are a couple of problems with that, to me. First, I just don't agree that it doesn't encourage people to travel who wouldn't have already. Some people see it is a good deal and it encourages them. Second, the whole point of moving people on property is to "trap them." First, the have to buy park tickets as part of the package. Second, they have meals at wdw so they are less likely to go spend a day at universal, sea world, wet and wild, etc. Throw in magic express and the circle is complete and the trap is set. Third, some of the restaurants are in the parks. So it seems to me, even if it is only moving more people on property who would have stayed off-property anyway (which I don't think is accurate), it would still increase crowds in parks. Yes, the point is to increase travel during the off-season, and that is what it has done. Same thing as having the food and wine festival, and halloween decorations. Etc. They have had an impact. I can remember October 10-12 years ago having much, much lower crowds. So Disney did the smart thing and came up with ways to encourage people to travel during the off-season. And to keep those people on property. The "free dining" is really a great way to keep people at disney the whole trip. Also, you have to remember that so many schools are saving money by having fewer class days and having breaks in October, so there are more kids out of school than there used to be. The crowd right now is much more like a "summer crowd" in terms of age demographics than it is the "mostly preschool" crowds that used to be more typical in months like Sept. and May. A wider spread of ages.

Crowds always peak on the weekends and that is more pronounced in "off-season" and it is more pronounced on long holiday weekends, even if most people aren't off that holiday some are. The crowd now is sort of interesting. Yesterday at Magic Kingdom, if I had to rate it from 1-10, with 10 being the most crowded I've ever seen and 1 the least, I would only rate it a 6 or 7, not that crowded generally. but the line waits I would rate as an 8 or 9. In some ways, WDW management is treating this time (understandably) the way they treat off-season (refurbish rides, etc.), but the crowd levels are higher than in the past (due to multiple factors) which made for pretty big lines yesterday (Yes a holiday weekend day). So having things like small world closed (that holds a lot of people) makes bigger lines other places. Throw in a thunder mt. down time in the morning and a space mt. down time in the afternoon and the lines get bigger. That exacerbated on the weekend, it will go down during the week.

But even Friday at the food and wine festival was higher than weekdays last year, just subjective experience. Again, though, long weekend.

The fast food was another sort of goof. Remember there are all these free dining credits, and a large general weekend crowd. But pirate and parrot is closed for refurb, and tomorowland terrace isn't open either (usually these are open at high crowd times, which yesterday was). So habor house, pecos bills, cosmic rays, Pinocchio's were slammed. So they had to go to the holiday plan of keep-your-parties-together, you can't enter the seating area of pecos bills and columbia harbor house until you are all together and have your food. They try not to let people without food in to the dining area. So guests have to take their kids in line. Personally, I really don't like that, for a variety of reasons. They try to get it controlled by putting signs in the middle of the hall, positioning cm's on the left side to let people back "out" and lining people up to go through the right only to enter. Then they ask how many you've got, and will try to help you find a table.

At extreme crowd times, it helps in a way because it cuts down on "table holders" and hopefully people can find a table. But it isn't a great experience, because I don't like our kids having to wait in the line, it makes it a pain to go back to the "helpings" line and bathroom, etc. If you get there a little early for lunch or late, not during the peak times, it is less of a hassle, even during the more major holidays, because they haven't got that set up and going yet.

There is no need for something like "touring plans. com" for a basic understanding of crowd levels, just think about it a little.
 
We just got back and saw the same thing with the crowds. In my mind, 3 things in play
1) Holiday Weekend
2) Free Dining, and...
3) School Fall Breaks (btw, when did this start happening - what happened to school from approximately Labor Day to Thanksgiving for a 2-day break, then onto Christmas for a 2 week break with the occasional one-day holiday thrown in there. Week-long school vacations in October? Times are a-changin)

Epcot was slammed on the weekends with F&W, crowded with long lines at some booths but not obnoxious. HS was VERY crowded over the weekend with summer-like wait times at the headliner attractions - intermittent breakdowns at RnR Coaster probably didn't help.

I presume this time of year will start to look like Presidents Day and perhaps Spring Break so October may no longer be that ideal time to go if you want the parks to yourself (like after Labor Day or after Thanksgiving)

I think most southern school districts start back in June anymore and have had to shorten the overall school year due to budgeting - so fall breaks are common. Year round schools typically get a long break in Oct as well. Its definitely moving towards not being off season.
 
3) School Fall Breaks (btw, when did this start happening - what happened to school from approximately Labor Day to Thanksgiving for a 2-day break, then onto Christmas for a 2 week break with the occasional one-day holiday thrown in there. Week-long school vacations in October? Times are a-changin)

Unfortunately not all schools start after Labor Day. My son has been in school since the end of July - and we are not even year round. By October - they are so ready for a break! Of course I really don't mind - we get out of school at the end of May.
 
We were there yesterday in the evening. We walked up to Pirates about 6pm with a 10 min. wait. Haunted Mansion broke down (or something went really wrong) and after people got out of line, we had about a 25 min. wait around 7pm. Peter Pan was about 45 min. and Space Mountain was at 45-60min. on and off throughout the evening until Extra Magic hours started. Fantasyland was all boarded up and the whole place looked dreary at night with all the walls everywhere! We have never been in Oct., but it seemed just as busy as June and July to us. EPCOT on Sat. early evening was PACKED and a little warm! Just some observations.....:rolleyes1
 
We were there yesterday in the evening. We walked up to Pirates about 6pm with a 10 min. wait. Haunted Mansion broke down (or something went really wrong) and after people got out of line, we had about a 25 min. wait around 7pm. Peter Pan was about 45 min. and Space Mountain was at 45-60min. on and off throughout the evening until Extra Magic hours started. Fantasyland was all boarded up and the whole place looked dreary at night with all the walls everywhere! We have never been in Oct., but it seemed just as busy as June and July to us. EPCOT on Sat. early evening was PACKED and a little warm! Just some observations.....:rolleyes1

Was the graveyard at Haunted Mansion still walled up?
 
Was the graveyard at Haunted Mansion still walled up?

It was. It really was strange seeing so much be under refurb at one time - and we travel off season frequently when things are normally down.

The attraction wait times were just strange. When I initially checked mobile magic it had listed Pirates as a 5 minute wait - we went ahead and did a stand by for Carpets (25 minutes) and by the time we got to Pirates it was 35 minutes. Mobile Magic had a hard time keeping up - it was like people just moved in such large droves - one thing would empty and the next would be slammed.

Haunted Mansion was kickin - DH and DS jumped in a little before the parade was over (I was waiting with DD at Yankee Trading Post). When the parade let out - HM was SWARMED! Line looked like Christmas time!
 


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