Minimum purchase of $10 to use your credit card

ok then you get a discount by paying cash at a small business:confused3

Exactly. But it has to be communicated that way to comply with the CC processor's terms.

Like I said, it's stupid and pointless, but that's the way it is.

In general I resent being asked to pay a surcharge to use my preferred method of payment. I expect, and prefer, that the merchant build the cost of payment processing into their price of their product as one more expense of doing business.

Part of running a successful business is providing convenience and service. I would rather pay $5.00 for a sub with no hassles than pay $4.75 and have remember what the limit is or cough up a fee that feels like a punishment.
 
Policy Shmolicy :rotfl: I think it's ridiculous that the store owner has to follow anyones policy. It's THEIR store.

I'm sorry, but they signed a contract. It's not like they are out there being forced into something they didn't agree to. Should a business owner not have to pay their supplier within 30 days because a store owner shouldn't have to follow anyone's policy?

I agree that the credit card fees are too high, but that doesn't mean people don't need to live up to their responsibilities.
 
As a small business owner, I can tell you that the fees are crazy. I have a minimum purchase amount ($5.00) for a credit card with no cash back. Also, if you want to cash a check, you have to purchase atleast $5.00 or I will charge you three dollars to cash the check.

I know some ppl have an issue with these practices but here is the bottom line.

Just to scan your CC, it costs a business 75 cents plus 2% of the sell. That is not including the supplies or the direct line used to place the call (must have a dedicated line). I have had customers come in and get a newspaper (50 cents) or a can of pop (75 cents) and want to charge it. I could raise the prices...I probably should raise the prices to cover those items but I haven't as of yet. A can of pop costs me 59 cents so should I add the my profit margin plus the 2% plus the 75 cents it costs me to scan the CC. Now instead of a customer paying 75 cents a can, the customer will be paying $1.52 for that can of pop. WOW, I don't think I will be selling very many cans of pop.

I have a very small percentage of customers who chose to use a CC for their purchases. Maybe I should be like gas stations and charge the CC customers more than the cash paying customers. Gas stations do this all the time and I don't blame them. There is very lil profit to the actually station owners...the make pennies on the dollar per gallon.

Ethically, I know it is wrong to put a minimum that you can charge but I'd like to stay in business for all my customers all the while not going under because of credit card companies. It took me until this year to FINALLY get a CC machine in because of the astronomical charges from the CC companies. At this point and time, I don't fell it is right to raise all of my prices.....for all of my customers....because a select few want to charge their purchases. How is that fair to the cash paying customers?

Currently, we have the average charges of less than $125.00 a day. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 9-11 customers per day. My monthly bill just to have the CC machine, the services fees, and line is around $375.00 a month. Quite a bit for a small company don't you think?

I respect the fact that it you feel it is wrong for a retailer ask that a minimum purchase to entitle you to charge your items but in the same token, I hope you relize that CC companies have us over a barrel too.

FYI...I accept all forms of credit cards...as do most businesses. One of the things you might not realize...Most businesses are contracted through a third party company. We don't directly pay visa, mastercard, discover, american express. The third party company does this so the rules are a lil different.

I feel your pain and frustration...I use my cc/debit card too....I just know what an establishment is charged when I use it.

Trust me, small business aren't reaping the bounty when you use your CC and ask that it for a minimum amount. They are just hoping to break even. It's the CC companies who are charging us for you to use it and charging you interest for using it. Like double dipping, huh?

If you cannot follow the rules of credit card use then don't accept credit cards. You agreed to the CC terms when you signed a contact then you should follow the contract.



Denise in MI
 
Agreed.

When I worked at JCPenney, I would ask for the card to verify the signature and if it didn't resemble the signature on the card, I would ask for an ID. There were also people who didn't sign their CC at all, so I would ask for their ID. I had been thanked many times for asking for an ID (one time a woman told me she had been an identity theft victim and truly appreciated it). Since those times, whenever I am asked to see my ID, I reply with "Thank you for asking to see it!" So hopefully by hearing "thank you" they will do it all the time.

I loved the people that instead of signing their CC, they write "See ID" and then they get mad when I ask to see it!

Far more people said "thank you", but I did have a few who complained, grumbled, and the occasional one who thought yelling at me would make me not need his ID. :confused3:


And yet asking for ID is also a violation of the CC agreement that the merchant signed.

So I reserve the right to get annoyed when Walmart cashier holds out her hand and wants my ID.
 

If you cannot follow the rules of credit card use then don't accept credit cards. You agreed to the CC terms when you signed a contact then you should follow the contract.



Denise in MI

I agree.

No reason to accept CC's if you want to have a min. Just simply don't accept them.
 
And yet asking for ID is also a violation of the CC agreement that the merchant signed.

So I reserve the right to get annoyed when Walmart cashier holds out her hand and wants my ID.

Can you link me to the agreement JCPenney signed?

Besides I never DEMANDED an ID. I asked to see it when circumstances dictated it should be seen (i.e. the signatures don't look the same, there is no signature, the card says See ID). Customers still had the right to refuse. It's what the managers said was policy, so that is what I did. There's no reason to get annoyed with the cashier who gets paid minimum wage. Also JCPenney has their own line of store credit cards that this was done with.
 
If you cannot follow the rules of credit card use then don't accept credit cards. You agreed to the CC terms when you signed a contact then you should follow the contract.



Denise in MI

:rotfl: As I said, I signed with a third party....no where in my contract does it say I CAN'T put a minimum. Whatever their(the third party) contract is with the ACTUAL CC companies is their business not mine. :)
 
I agree.

No reason to accept CC's if you want to have a min. Just simply don't accept them.

So if you live in a one horse town, as I do, you would be willing to drive 15 miles to charge a can of 75 cent pop than to purchase a 12 pack?
 
MasterCard International Incorporated
P.O. Box 28468-0968
St. Louis, MO 63146-0968
1-800-300-3069
www.MasterCard.com

Visa
Minimum Purchase
P.O. Box 8999
San Francisco, CA 94128-89999
Customer Service: 1-800-847-2911
www.Visa.com

You can call Visa/Mastercard directly at these #'s. There is also a place on the website to lodge a complaint.

If the card is signed correctly, according to the merchant agreement they may not ask for ID. Actually writing SEE ID makes the card null and void according to VISA. companies who violate the agreement can be fined upwards of 10,000.00 depending on how many complaints they get.
 
Someone already linked the Visa agreements I believe (I didn't click through on it). Here's another prettied up one:
http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/rules_for_visa_merchants.pdf
page 9 if that helps. ;)

It also pretty much invalidates card to write see id on it. You are to sign the name as printed on the front of the card. (page 29)

Store CC agreements are a different beast entirely and need to be very carefully read through before signing up for one.

This thread speaks to the national CC's not store cards. And no one said anyone was 'demanding' ID but that it personally annoys me that those cashiers do it when *I* know it's incorrect procedure. I'm allowed to be annoyed yk?
 
So if you live in a one horse town, as I do, you would be willing to drive 15 miles to charge a can of 75 cent pop than to purchase a 12 pack?

???

I'm never in a situation where I'd need to do such a silly thing. Even when I did live 30mins from the nearest grocery store, I did not shop at the Mom & Pop store that wanted $10 for a 12pk. ;)
 
I would still have to argue that that isn't what the gas stations are doing. I have nvevr seen a price posted for the credit card users, so one could argue that they are being penalized. If it truely were a discount for using cash they would post the price of gas(cost to credit users) and then somewhere write the price of the "discount". Instead the post the cash price, which makes it the cost.

That is just semantics. It's exactly the same thing
 
???

I'm never in a situation where I'd need to do such a silly thing. Even when I did live 30mins from the nearest grocery store, I did not shop at the Mom & Pop store that wanted $10 for a 12pk. ;)

Our store minimum is $5.00 not $10.00 :)

The point I was trying to make with the entire previous post....was the astronomical prices that businesses are charged via cc and third party companies. I'm not making a thing...basically breaking even (on some things even losing money) when I ask that a customer spends $5.00 to use it.

Maybe I shouldn't have offered a business persons stance on this subject but since I have, I guess I'm lucky that none of my customers have had a problem with it. If someone does question it, than I would be more than happy to explain it to them.

In a fantasy world (no directing this to anyone, just making throwing this out for the fun of it)......In a fantasy world for retailors, it would be nicer for the CC companies just to charge you the 75 cents each time you use your credit card plus the 2% plus any finance charge you would recieve for not paying the balance in full than to charge us for you using it. Then you could be upset with the right company and not the business that sell you the merchandise that you use your card to pay for.
 
I'm sorry, but they signed a contract. It's not like they are out there being forced into something they didn't agree to. Should a business owner not have to pay their supplier within 30 days because a store owner shouldn't have to follow anyone's policy?

I agree that the credit card fees are too high, but that doesn't mean people don't need to live up to their responsibilities.


Oh please. People need to find something better to do than get all bent out of shape about something like this. Don't shop there. Easy-Peasey. Problem Solved!
 
Our store minimum is $5.00 not $10.00 :)

The point I was trying to make with the entire previous post....was the astronomical prices that businesses are charged via cc and third party companies. I'm not making a thing...basically breaking even (on some things even losing money) when I ask that a customer spends $5.00 to use it.

Maybe I shouldn't have offered a business persons stance on this subject but since I have, I guess I'm lucky that none of my customers have had a problem with it. If someone does question it, than I would be more than happy to explain it to them.

In a fantasy world (no directing this to anyone, just making throwing this out for the fun of it)......In a fantasy world for retailors, it would be nicer for the CC companies just to charge you the 75 cents each time you use your credit card plus the 2% plus any finance charge you would recieve for not paying the balance in full than to charge us for you using it. Then you could be upset with the right company and not the business that sell you the merchandise that you use your card to pay for.

I do understand that retailers are charged for each transaction. But I also think justifying bending/breaking the rules because of it doesn't make it ok for mins. I'd rather have to break out my checkbook or cash at a little store than patronize a business that breaks those rules. There are several places I do shop at that I know I need cash when I want to go there and I plan accordingly. Nothing wrong with the store actually keeping it's profits. ;)
 
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I went into a Blimpie (a sandwich/hoagie/sub/grinder chain for all the ways this country calls them :rotfl2:) and there was a sign on the register that said Minimum Purchase of $10 or be assessed a $.50 service fee if you charge under $10. I was like, WHAT?! :eek: Charging ME money to use my Visa card?? I told the guy that I was really annoyed by this policy. Also, it's misleading to have a Visa logo on the door to the establishment and then find out you can't really charge until your sandwich is made. I felt like I was cornered if I didn't have a few dollars on me.

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Next time let them make the sandwich and then when try try this stunt say "Sorry" and walk out!:lmao: Seriously talk with your purse. If they want to do this kind of thing find someplace else to eat!

If the "owner" can't afford the fees, then he/she needs to make that decision. I am not paying them for him in the form of a "service charge" Raise your prices, if your product is good that 20 cents won't run you out of business! No one makes a business sign that contract. If they want the "volume" that comes from credit card sales they have to pay the price.
 
Next time let them make the sandwich and then when try try this stunt say "Sorry" and walk out!:lmao: Seriously talk with your purse. If they want to do this kind of thing find someplace else to eat!

If the "owner" can't afford the fees, then he/she needs to make that decision. I am not paying them for him in the form of a "service charge" Raise your prices, if your product is good that 20 cents won't run you out of business! No one makes a business sign that contract. If they want the "volume" that comes from credit card sales they have to pay the price.


Wow! That's mean. Intentionally causing them to lose money. It's not a stunt. It's just a policy like no cash refunds. Why is everyone so hung up on the contract thing? How many things have signed in your life? I would be willing to bet that most of the people never even have that explained to them by the visa rep who just wants a quick signature from them. Visa doesn't care. That's why they don't make a big deal out of it
 
Wow! That's mean. Intentionally causing them to lose money. It's not a stunt. It's just a policy like no cash refunds. Why is everyone so hung up on the contract thing? How many things have signed in your life? I would be willing to bet that most of the people never even have that explained to them by the visa rep who just wants a quick signature from them. Visa doesn't care. That's why they don't make a big deal out of it

The merchants accept credit cards because even with the fees they make more. The statistic I read was that people spend about 30% more when paying with a credit card than with cash. Now if Visa charges them 1.5%, they are still 28.5% ahead than if they didn't accept the cards. Sometimes the customer spends a large amount, sometimes it's small, but in the end it averages out.

I would be very surprised that any merchant would just sign any agreement without looking it over. These violations are investigated, but it takes time because of the volume of violations. Some states have even laws against this practice, so not only are their violating a Visa/MC policy but their state law.
 














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