Michael Jackson... your thoughts?

[denisenh]

I don't ever recall MJ being questioned by anyone wihout his attys present.

I wasn't referring to Jackson. I meant any innocent person.
It is wrong to assume that an accused person who hires a lawyer right away is often thought to be guilty. I imagine that the thought is that otherwise that person wouldn't need a lawyer, but that is not always the reason.

I think the bigger issue, than his settling the previous case, is that he continued to have unchaperoned children sleeping over at his house after that.

I agree. If he is innocent he should have made a change in entertainment habits and had kids accompanied by responsible adults to prevent the accusations from happening again.

As far as Jackson sleeping in the same bed as his guests, which I think he denies, but I am not sure, it may be like sleeping with a cat or dog. It is enjoyable, but not in a sexual way, in the majority of cases at least.

 

[SnowAngel]

no thoughts.

 

[poohandwendy]

I wasn't referring to Jackson. I meant any innocent person.
It is wrong to assume that an accused person who hires a lawyer right away is often thought to be guilty. I imagine that the thought is that otherwise that person wouldn't need a lawyer, but that is not always the reason.

Oops sorry, I misunderstood your post. ITA.

As far as Jackson sleeping in the same bed as his guests, which I think he denies, but I am not sure, it may be like sleeping with a cat or dog. It is enjoyable, but not in a sexual way, in the majority of cases at least.

Actually, I saw him admit to doing so in an interview. As far as it being like sleeping with a cat or dog, well, would that be acceptable if a family friend old you that is what he was doing with your son? After he was previously accused of molestation? I just don;t buy it. But, time will tell. It should be interesting to see what comes out in a trial.

 

[snoopy]

What I don't get about Michael Jackson is what parent in their right mind is going to allow their child to be around this notorious "Peter Pan" weirdo celebrity, let alone sleep in the same bed?

Now I am just as liberal and tolerant as the next person, probably a heck of a lot more liberal and tolerant than the next person, but come on! The parents are at least partway negligent here. I may be a cynic, but I wonder if some of these parents aren't sending their kid off to Neverland in hopes he will molest them or at least do something kinky enough to warrant a lawsuit and a big settlement?

As for Michael himself, maybe he did it, maybe he didn't, I don't know because I haven't seen the evidence. But there is enough known about this guy to at least make him an unsafe adult for children to be alone with.

 

[denisenh]

As far as it being like sleeping with a cat or dog, well, would that be acceptable if a family friend old you that is what he was doing with your son? After he was previously accused of molestation?

Just sleeping as in "nighty night" with my son?
I just don't know really. It depends.

"My family friend" may have been accused but was really innocent...I would probably just rather that my son (I don't actually have a son) didn't sleep over anyway. I am not too fond of sleepovers.
At the least, you wind up with an overtired, crabby kid the next day.

And if Jackson came here to pick up my child for the night, I say no.

But, I don't think that sharing a bed with a child who isn't ones own is a punishable crime.

 

[poohandwendy]

Now I am just as liberal and tolerant as the next person, probably a heck of a lot more liberal and tolerant than the next person, but come on! The parents are at least partway negligent here. I may be a cynic, but I wonder if some of these parents aren't sending their kid off to Neverland in hopes he will molest them or at least do something kinky enough to warrant a lawsuit and a big settlement?

I don't know if I would go so far as say that they 'hoped he would molest them', but I think it is realistic to say, at the very least, that they obviously let the stardust cloud their vision and they pimped out their chidren at least for the reason of getting closer to the infamous MJ. I hope you are not right, but it is possible.

And yes, I absolutely think the parents bear some of the responsibility here. I think they should be tried right along side MJ for endangering the lives of their minor children. It was common knowledge that MJ was accused of molestation. Parents were negligent for allowing MJ ANY unsupervised time with their children, IMHO.

 

[KristiKelly]

Personally, I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He's rich & thinks he can pay people off (& has succeeded so far). I think he lures kids with the whole "Neverland" crap & uses the whole thing to make people believe he doesn't know right from wrong. I blame the parents just as much as I blame him (if not more). It is my job, as a parent, to protect my children & I will lay my life down for them. There is no way in hell that I would allow my kids in a public restroom at the same time with this weirdo, MUCH LESS spend the night in his house - in his bed. STUPID, STUPID PARENTS!!!!! JMHO

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Michael Jackson knows exactly what he's doing. He's a habitual molester, plain and simple. The only difference between him and the guy in jail right now is the fact that people keep making excuses for him and turning him into this harmless eunuch that is incapable of being an adult. Sorry, I don't buy it.

I would never buy one of his products (even though the last MJ album I bought was Thriller!). I do not support felons.

He's not a felon, come up with a new reason.

And the fact that there were fingerprints on a porno mag has nothing to do with this case. Even if he were looking at it with the kid, it doesn't mean he's a molestor. On the other hand the kid could have found it and read it.

He is very likely guilty, but I will not judge him until a jury finds him guilty. That's the American way. But this magazine has nothing to do with the case.

I think OJ killed Nicole, but I have to go with whatever our legal system says, so if I saw him in public I'd treat him like a football great.

I didn't think there was enough evidence to convict Scott Peterson and I wasn't so sure he did it, but he's a murderer because a jury said so.

 

[Papa Deuce]

I think OJ killed Nicole, but I have to go with whatever our legal system says, so if I saw him in public I'd treat him like a football great.
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OK, in no way does what I say mean that he is a murderer based on this, but I do believe OJ did it and I believed that the minute I first heard about him being accused.

I work in TV, so we get to see a lot of "backhauls", which are parts of a satellite transmission that people at home usually do not see.

OJ was doing sideline reporting at a game. About 1 minyte before he was scheduled to go live they cancelled his segment. OJ went BALLISTIC! I'm not even talking like what would seem humanly ballistic; it was like he was an alien!

He started screaming obscenities, throwing stuff, yelling at the director, claiming that they didn't put him on the air because he was a ( "N" word)... He pushed a guy who appeared to be just a bystander.

From that moment on I lost every bit of respect for him. If you had seen this you would hardly treat hime as a football great. I would bet that you would cross the street and hide.

Not a convicted murderer, but probably a murderer nonetheless. Oh, and BTW, how is he doing with that whole "finding Nichole's killer" promise that he made....... hard to do that when you spend as much time as he does on the golf course.

 

[snoopy]

He's not a felon, come up with a new reason.

And the fact that there were fingerprints on a porno mag has nothing to do with this case. Even if he were looking at it with the kid, it doesn't mean he's a molestor. On the other hand the kid could have found it and read it.

He is very likely guilty, but I will not judge him until a jury finds him guilty. That's the American way. But this magazine has nothing to do with the case.

I think OJ killed Nicole, but I have to go with whatever our legal system says, so if I saw him in public I'd treat him like a football great.

I didn't think there was enough evidence to convict Scott Peterson and I wasn't so sure he did it, but he's a murderer because a jury said so.

Yes our legal system is based on innocent until proven guilty but reality isn't. Whether he's found guilty or not guilty in a court of law may not have any bearing on whether or not he commited the crime. If O.J. isn't a prime example of that, I don't know who is.

If I kill someone and then am found not guilty by a jury that doesn't mean I didn't do it, it means I had a good lawyer, or there was a lousy prosecutor, or I was really clever, or a myriad of other reasons. It doesn't mean I'm innocent.

In reality, Michael Jackson has never been able to establish or maintain emotional relationships with adults of either gender, coupled with the years of these stories of his soliciting pre-teens. Whether or not he actually touched these kids is really not the only consideration here -- there is no doubt he has acted inappropriately. He is not a father to these children, and a grown man sleeping in the same bed with a 10-year old boy who is of no relation to him is inappropriate. The public doesn't really need to know exactly who touched who in what way to make that determination.

 

[poohandwendy]

Not a convicted murderer, but probably a murderer nonetheless. Oh, and BTW, how is he doing with that whole "finding Nichole's killer" promise that he made....... hard to do that when you spend as much time as he does on the golf course.

For some reason this made me LOL, he does spend an awful lot of time on the golf course. He owned a home in the same gated community as my sister in Panama City Beach, Fla (not long after the acquittal)...dude really, really loves his golf. I agree, he was guilty as sin, acquittal or not. JMHO

 

[MouseEars4us]

I do wonder though, how we can time and again, see video of his fans, who seem like they would worship him even if they KNEW he did this.

What does that say about us, that we are willing to worship and support --- even with our wallets --- celebrities, regardless of how vile their actions may be?

Since the title of your post is "MJ-Your thoughts" I'll tell ya...guilty, guilty, guilty...as for the parents of those kids, Equally Guilty if not more.

In answer to your question above...Michael Jackson: I don't understand the fascination. Maybe the fans who love him had a connection to his music at some point in their lives, maybe something he sang about echoed something in themselves, maybe they're all sick too? He is very talented (and guilty), maybe they remember him as a child growing up on TV? I can't figure that one out...
Serial Killers, I've heard, attract women who are attracted to power. The serial killer in their eyes has the power of life and death in his victims. Also, these types of killers are usually very personable, magnetic, think Jim Jones.
Sports stars who act ridiculous...well, why watch sports? Obviously fans enjoy a type of contest of strength and endurance, will and determination. When a fight breaks out, isn't that a show of strength? "Ya, the guys on MY team can beat the crap outa the guys on YOUR team any day!"
I suppose there are all kids of reasons why someone might be attracted to the unsavory character...but not me, total turn off!

 

[EltonJohn]

What does that say about us, that we are willing to worship and support --- even with our wallets --- celebrities, regardless of how vile their actions may be?

Speak for yourself. I worship God Almighty alone. No human-MJ, Sir EJ, Mary, Michael Owen, David Beckham, etc. deserves or gets my worship.

As far as actions-no sin is greater than another.

 

[Beastlover]

It saddens me to say this since I loved Michael Jackson growing up and adored him as a teen. I always wanted to think the best of the man and regardless, he's still one of the greatest entertainers in the world BUT he's a psychotic. There is something really wrong with him. I don't know whether he molested those kids (it certainly looks like he did) but if he did, he needs to be put in prison for a long long time.

I didn't read all the posts, but that about summs it up for me. What a waste of talent.

 

[SandraM]

Have either of his ex-wives said anything publicly in support of him? Just curious.

 

[MinnieM21]

Have either of his ex-wives said anything publicly in support of him? Just curious.

Lisa Marie said she never saw anything happen when she was married to him. But if she did, his *your know what* would be hanging from a tree.

 

[SandraM]

I just Googled "Michael Jackson" and "Lisa Marie Presley" and the first site that came up was Bongo News' headline "Lisa Marie says she actually slept with Michael Jackson". The subtext then says "It was no big thing."

 

[s&k'smom]

I'd like to think innocent until proven guilty. Butttt IMHO as in many experts MJ fits the profile to a t of a pedophile. I think what happened is that no one ever put limits on this guy. Every whim, every fantasy has been catered too and it just kept getting more outrageous. I mean look at his children. Does anyone think he actually had sex with any of those woman, no he didn't they were hired surrogates. Sex with Lisa Marie she says they did but frankly it was because she was Elvis' daughter. I think he started out life as a very talented young man who just really, really fell of the path of life.

 

[KristiKelly]

...as for the parents of those kids, Equally Guilty if not more.

I agree 100%. I think they should be looked at & and questioned as well. What kind of parent would allow their child to spend time - much less the night - with someone who has had so much controversy over this topic. If there was a pedaphile in your town but he said "oh, I didn't do it" would you just say, okay well here's my son, I'll pick him up on Sunday?

I like to say innocent until proven guilty but paying off an accuser is pretty much saying to me "Here take this money & just be quiet" - GUILTY!!! He is a freak & I'm sure if he does go to prison - they'll have fun with him!!!!

 

[Mamu]

A Bazaar Freak who lives in a world of fallacious notions.